Steroids and Death

[SPRINKFSU]

has there been anyone that has used roids for a while that has ever died cause of steroids?

[Arnold jr]

There have been a lot of deaths that were blamed on steroids, but there has never been any outright evidence that steroids were the culprit. It may be true, steroid use could have in some way contributed to some premature deaths, maybe, maybe not. If you type in "steroid related deaths" in a google search you get this list as well as a following list of complications in patients. I'm not implying any of this is valid, but it is what most choose to believe, evidence or not.

* Sonny Schmidt died at 46
* Scott Klein died at 30
* Ron Teufel died at 45
* Dan Duchaine died at 48
* Mohammed Benaziza died at 28
* Andreas Munzer died at 30
* Mike Mentzer died at 49
* Ray Mentzer died at 47
* Don Ross died at 55
* Dr. John Tristany died
* Don Peters died
* Ray Raridon died

* Dennis Newman (leukemia)
* Orville Burke (coma)
* Don Long (kidney failure)
* Tom Prince (kidney failure)
* Flex Wheeler (kidney transplant)
* Tom Prince (kidney failure)
* Ed Corney (stroke)
* Boyer Coe (heart)
* Danny Padilla (heart)
* Pete Grymkowski (heart)
*Mike Martarazzo 39 (triple bypass heart surgery)

[G]

There have been a lot of deaths that were blamed on steroids, but there has never been any outright evidence that steroids were the culprit. It may be true, steroid use could have in some way contributed to some premature deaths, maybe, maybe not. If you type in "steroid related deaths" in a google search you get this list as well as a following list of complications in patients. I'm not implying any of this is valid, but it is what most choose to believe, evidence or not.

* Sonny Schmidt died at 46
* Scott Klein died at 30
* Ron Teufel died at 45
* Dan Duchaine died at 48
* Mohammed Benaziza died at 28
* Andreas Munzer died at 30
* Mike Mentzer died at 49
* Ray Mentzer died at 47
* Don Ross died at 55
* Dr. John Tristany died
* Don Peters died
* Ray Raridon died

* Dennis Newman (leukemia)
* Orville Burke (coma)
* Don Long (kidney failure)
* Tom Prince (kidney failure)
* Flex Wheeler (kidney transplant)
* Tom Prince (kidney failure)
* Ed Corney (stroke)
* Boyer Coe (heart)
* Danny Padilla (heart)
* Pete Grymkowski (heart)
*Mike Martarazzo 39 (triple bypass heart surgery)

  The kidney failure I think  has more to do with diuretics or painkillers. Benanziza death was caused by diuretics, ......muntzer was on ton s of shit whe he diet ( in Anabolis06 they postet his cycle at that time).  And heart problems probaly have to do way more with clenbuterol,T3, growth hormone, Ephedra ( each one of those can lead to cardiomyopathy, I've read many studies on GH+AAS, compared to just AAS, and , ....and Clenbuterol too) etc than Anabolics.....

[SPRINKFSU]

I have friends that are wanting to try roids,I dont push them in any direction cause your gonna do what you wanna do,

But they were talking about some fears they have like: heart attacts,strokes,and just stuff like this,So I didnt have the answer for them, So I was kind of looking out here in the forum,on the thoughts of these kinds of thoughts.

[4thAD]

well im almost positive Mohammed Benaziza died from complications and heart failure due to diuretics. I believe he died in his hotel room after the show didn't he?

[G]

well im almost positive Mohammed Benaziza died from complications and heart failure due to diuretics. I believe he died in his hotel room after the show didn't he?

  yea something like that  - heart failure due to severe dehydration , even after the show he started consuming fluids it was already too late...

[Arnold jr]

  The kidney failure I think  has more to do with diuretics or painkillers. Benanziza death was caused by diuretics, ......muntzer was on ton s of shit whe he diet ( in Anabolis06 they postet his cycle at that time).  And heart problems probaly have to do way more with clenbuterol,T3, growth hormone, Ephedra ( each one of those can lead to cardiomyopathy, I've read many studies on GH+AAS, compared to just AAS, and , ....and Clenbuterol too) etc than Anabolics.....

Yes, you're right, diuretics and other non-AAS drugs have a huge impact, but those names on that list, although those "other" drugs played a huge role, because they did in fact use AAS people are going to out right blame it on their deaths with or without proof.

[trab]

Need routine blood work and Phys exams including prostrate.
I have great lipid profiles even after a 2gr wk shock front load (My cholesterol & Trig's #'s piss off my Doc)
It ruins his "steroids will kill you" speech.

We are all going to die kids. Ive lost friends who never did anything "dangerous".

The Nat Insh assn will be happy if we all sit at a desk wearin':  Hard-hat, respirator, safety harness, steel-toe boots, goggles, condom, and never ride fast motorcycles or women , But I damn well aint going to live like that. It's not life. Better to look at all the 1970's BBers and other athletes who DONT have problems. I think if you hit hard, it should be short and back off to saner levels.

Those w/ legit BBing contest ability have to weigh that in the equation. Running a race car is dangerous too.
Skiing? Sky-Dive? Climb scaffolding and ladders for a job? Minimize risk as possible.

[Overload]

just tell them to get their levels checked twice a year. i've done a few heavy cycles and i'm more healthy than anyone i know who is my age.


 

[G]

...blood tests are important, but there are certain liver/heart conditions that won't show up there , neither on the EKG..........a complete physical is recommended at lest once a year....

[trab]

Yeah, bottom line is none of us know expiration date. A good bud of mine went from brain tumor at 42yrs.
If he'd been a steroid user (he weren't)  people would blame  'Roids. He'd had medical test after test for vague health problems.    Use your heads and enjoy your life.

[4thAD]

Need routine blood work and Phys exams including prostrate.
I have great lipid profiles even after a 2gr wk shock front load (My cholesterol & Trig's #'s piss off my Doc)
It ruins his "steroids will kill you" speech.

We are all going to die kids. Ive lost friends who never did anything "dangerous".

The Nat Insh assn will be happy if we all sit at a desk wearin':  Hard-hat, respirator, safety harness, steel-toe boots, goggles, condom, and never ride fast motorcycles or women , But I damn well aint going to live like that. It's not life. Better to look at all the 1970's BBers and other athletes who DONT have problems. I think if you hit hard, it should be short and back off to saner levels.

Those w/ legit BBing contest ability have to weigh that in the equation. Running a race car is dangerous too.
Skiing? Sky-Dive? Climb scaffolding and ladders for a job? Minimize risk as possible.

All I have to say is Trab, I love you man! A condom ROFLMFAO. You did it again...

[dragonheart]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-obit-mitchell&prov=ap&type=lgns

Saw that article today, says a former NFL linebacker died at 36.  Will be interesting to see what the results of the autopsy are.  Some people just go early, regardless of drug use or not.  There have been some bodybuilders who have died young, and there has been a lot of people who die young and never touch drugs at all.

[Vet]

well im almost positive Mohammed Benaziza died from complications and heart failure due to diuretics. I believe he died in his hotel room after the show didn't he?

YEah, my understanding is he died from complications from the diuretics and self-induced dehydration which led to severe potassium imbalance within his body.  If potassium is severely altered from normal, it can affect the way the heart beats and fatal arrthymias can develop.   Thats what killed him.   

Others on that list are also questionable.  Andres Munzer was a posterchild for polypharmacy.  I don't think there is any way to prove that steroids were the actual cause of death considering everything he was taking. 

Sonny Schmidt had cancer.  Thats a questionable association

The Mentzer brothers died for some reason I'm not sure if we will ever know---its just weird to me on how close they died to each other. 

The Don Long and Flex Wheeler kidney failures could be argued as a congenital disease. Tom Princes was more than likely drug induced, but more than likely NOT anabolic steroids but other drugs. 

I also dont' think you can include Mike Matarazzo as "getting" heart disease from anabolics considering his family history. 


The bottom line is for every list I've ever seen about the "deaths" caused by steroids, you can argue about 1/4 or more of the people on that list.  I am just not sure if we truely know the actual cause of death/disease with many of them.  You also need to be very careful with the drugs defining each list.  Anabolic steroids are not thyroid which are not Beta 2's like Clenbuterol.  I really dont think you are correct doing what the idiot media does and grouping them as "anabolic steroids" but would be better off grouping them as "athletic performance enhancing drugs", which I don't think any of them will do.

[AVBG]

Hey Arnold jr.. You didn't like my 500 word submission? 

[Arnold jr]

Hey Arnold jr.. You didn't like my 500 word submission? 

I liked it fine, in a lot of the months it could have stood out really well...but the "tales of a bikini babe" this one was just the one this month IMO.

[Luolamies]

I think the Mentzer brothers were big on amphetamines and years on them will take a heavy toll on anyone.

Andreas Munzer was probably one of the heaviest user of performance enhancing drugs of all time.

Mohammed Benaziza died of diuretics, even Milos has said that many many times...