Why such low weights when training with Milos???

[Milos_Sarcev]

so what made you injure yourself at 10 plates? wouldnt your legs be weaker this time around and because of that there's a risk of injury at 8 plates?
if you can get away with one plate why would you do 8 plates per side?

and having people do your workout would prove what? that people eventually get tired? i can have you and 10 guys getting tired at my gym in prague and i wont charge you either!
would that make you  believe that my methods are the best because i would make you outta breath?

this isnt an intelligent reasoning.

Hmmmmmm?

Did you think first who is Milos and why do we even talk about his training principles?

Let's see:

Maybe - top trainer who is hired by many athletes to make them IMPROVE their performance (various sports) and/or appearance (bodybuilders).
If we look at his bodybuilders list - we could see long list of guys who were improving dramatically FAST...much faster than others...so people started wondering WHAT IS HE REALLY DOING?

Well, as it normally goes - MAJORITY will conclude - IT MUS BE DRUGS!

Than Milos posts MAXIMAL AMOUNTS that MOST of his athletes will use - but is taken as a "joke"...
Milos must be lying....but nobody really see a reason why?

Well, for those of you who actually believe IN GOOD...I explained my TRAINING THEORY and NUTRITION PROTOCOLS....on my "Secrets of the pros" DVD...
On purpose I didn't even attempt to sell my supplements at first - as people would conclude - that's all I want to do...

Than more than a year ago after 34th episode of the Fitshow when two of my exceptional drug free athletes from Malaysia - Sazali Samad and Teck Liaw Leong came to train with me and were taped for the Fitshow and everybody realized they are taking some special "Milos drinks" - everyone started questioning WHAT IS IT?

When Hidetada Yamagishi and Silvio Samuel entered Ironman and other pros would ask them "what is the secret?" - and they told them - come and train with us and try the drinks...buzz went around...

Off course - now when it is here (on getbig) - we would have what we have here if majority would just COMPLAIN and ATTACK...

Funny thing is - it is DEJA VU for me...
In the early 90's when I was telling top pros what to do - they would not believe me - and they would not even try things I was suggesting - as they thought: I want to "screw" them giving them a wrong info....SO NOBODY EVEN ATTEMPTED TO TRY...(and Nasser was just one of the perfect examples who had a 'formula' from 1993...but scepticism made him wait until 1995 when I reinsured him that IF he tries - he will shock the world....which he did just few short moths later...

Now, I am telling AVERAGE JOES what PROS are doing and Joes are laughing...at my supplements, training protocols...etc...

Keep laughing...I stopped long ago...as I know "the joke".

If I have exact map of the biggest treasure in the world and post it here for everyone to hurry up and get there fast - and grab some fortune - nobody would even bother...
And what's worst - they would tell me to F-myself for being rude A-ole for posting it...

Go figure.

But - to ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS:

1)"if you can get away with one plate why would you do 8 plates per side?"

NONE of my exercises is done with LEAST AMOUNT OF WEIGHT POSSIBLE - BUT WITH MOST!

Even those 'pink dumbbells' you see on the pictures are THE MOST AMOUNT OF WEIGHT guys could possibly lift in that particular exercise!

Just ask Max Rep - how did he feel lifting pair of 6 pound dumbbells in GIANT SETS for shoulders?

So, as far as 8 (20kg) plates per side on a hack squat is the most we can do in that particular segment of the giant set...and one plate just wouldn't do the trick...
At the same time - after we finish 8 plate drops set on hack, do maybe sissy squats right after and ended up on Smith Machine Squat doing alternate lunges with plate per side - most of you will ONLY SEE that particular photo and think: Wow, lunges with one plate on Smith machine is NO BIG DEAL...even I can do that...so Milos and his guys train like sissies....
Did you consider maybe that we did barbell squats, leg press, leg extensions...3 more exercises, than hack squat with 8 plates and sissy squats BEFORE?
And I am talking NO REST BETWEEN EXERCISES (or to be exact 5 to 10 seconds in between).

2) "and having people do your workout would prove what? that people eventually get tired?"

People doing my workout TO GET IN THE BEST SHAPE OF THEIR LIVES - not to get tired Bozo.

And if you live in Prague (one of my favorite cities in the whole world) - I will come to your gym next time I organize appearance there and show you what INTENSITY IS ALL ABOUT...Start training...to be ready for me...
I will offer you two solutions:
 I can do all the exercises with triple amount of weight you will be doing or I can do three times the reps (if you do 10 in each set...I will do 30)...

And WHY would I be able to claim that I can beat you so badly - as I don't even know you?
Well, I can't tell you that yet...as you don't deserve the answer.

However, you can ask some other guys who trained with me...like maybe Troy Alves who in pat 3 days trained 3 times with me and Hide...

[Milos_Sarcev]

ive watched the 17+ pages or so long thread from garreths workout at milos gym and of a hundred pictures posted maybe 1-2 has heavy weights. the rest is barbell only or one plate a side etc.
the lack of rest between sets and the numerous exercises makes people eventually get tired - but is it optimal for hypertrophy?

i can get tired squatting up and down at the toilet with no rest but i have no reason to believe that would build more mass to my legs than any other training program. in fact, im pretty convinced it wouldnt.

EVERY EXERCISE IS DONE TO FAILURE OR ALMOST FAILURE...regardless of the weight used...

"EGO TRAINERS" (obviously YOU) focus on amount of weight rather than WHAT IS BEING DONE...
I can make ANY WEIGHT be impossible to handle IF I just change some training variables...

[MikeThaMachine]

EVERY EXERCISE IS DONE TO FAILURE OR ALMOST FAILURE...regardless of the weight used...

"EGO TRAINERS" (obviously YOU) focus on amount of weight rather than WHAT IS BEING DONE...
I can make ANY WEIGHT be impossible to handle IF I just change some training variables...

I tried your style per say in my last leg workout and I have to say I am hooked. My legs felt far more worked then when I trained heavier. I am just sick of loading up lots of plates and putting that stress on my body, I find it far more exhausting and less joint stress to train using light weight and giant sets. I admit though I have not been able to bring my self to train that way for any other body parts though.

[Camel Jockey]

I tried your style per say in my last leg workout and I have to say I am hooked. My legs felt far more worked then when I trained heavier. I am just sick of loading up lots of plates and putting that stress on my body, I find it far more exhausting and less joint stress to train using light weight and giant sets. I admit though I have not been able to bring my self to train that way for any other body parts though.

Low weight, high reps work wonders for legs.. Not so much the upperbody.

[MikeThaMachine]

Low weight, high reps work wonders for legs.. Not so much the upperbody.

Yeah I haved trained a little bit of every way, I agree but the giant sets (right now I am just sticking to 3-4 exercises depending on how crowded the gym is) are what really has me loving the light weight now. I was almsot passing out and puking between some sets and had to take a 10min break after my main giant set. I am doing good going moderate to heavy on upper body so I just want to stick with it.

[TheDoctor]

You turned Gustavo Badell from a third Tier Pro to a World class bodybuilder and from being from downunder i hope Luke all the best with your training methods but im a bit suspect about your protien shakes.I will pay for Blutos Flight and Accomodatian if he can hang with you Milos.

[Bluto]

Well, for those of you who actually believe IN GOOD...I explained my TRAINING THEORY and NUTRITION PROTOCOLS....on my "Secrets of the pros" DVD...

I've seen your parts on the Fitshow and I can't remember you going into great detail about your training theory, at least not when it comes to reps, sets, whether to go to failure etc. maybe I've missed a couple of episodes? For the most time you showed slow movements, but then again - you also said explosive movements were good to so it's hard to draw any conclusions other than anything goes.

Did you consider maybe that we did barbell squats, leg press, leg extensions...3 more exercises, than hack squat with 8 plates and sissy squats BEFORE?
And I am talking NO REST BETWEEN EXERCISES (or to be exact 5 to 10 seconds in between).

Yes I did. But what is it that makes one stop? Is it because he's beat because of no more strength or no more endurance? You said yourself that you are performing better than one of your training partners, even though he is stronger than you because you're USED to that type of training. So when he's trying to keep up, he'll stop because he get winded - not necessarily because his muscles are done.
And if his muscles aint done, he hasn't worked them 100% - he has worked his cardiovascular system 100% hasn't he?

2) "and having people do your workout would prove what? that people eventually get tired?"

People doing my workout TO GET IN THE BEST SHAPE OF THEIR LIVES - not to get tired Bozo.

And if you live in Prague (one of my favorite cities in the whole world) - I will come to your gym next time I organize appearance there and show you what INTENSITY IS ALL ABOUT...Start training...to be ready for me...
I will offer you two solutions:
 I can do all the exercises with triple amount of weight you will be doing or I can do three times the reps (if you do 10 in each set...I will do 30)...

And WHY would I be able to claim that I can beat you so badly - as I don't even know you?
Well, I can't tell you that yet...as you don't deserve the answer.

However, you can ask some other guys who trained with me...like maybe Troy Alves who in pat 3 days trained 3 times with me and Hide...

But intensity is so many things. 5x5 squats can be intense. so can 10x10 or just 1 set of 20 reps breathing squats. but if someone doesnt have the condition to do 20 reps of squats he will stop before the muscles will.

whether you can do more reps or more weight than me doesnt prove anything. thats like someone criticizing dorian yates methods and all he says is "well i lift more than you" thats not much of an argument is it?

[sgt. d]

Luke what else did Milos show you in his office besides his massive legs? Did you get a chance to try some of Milos shake? I heard it's really popular. Good stuff


SGT. D

[Bluto]

I tried your style per say in my last leg workout and I have to say I am hooked. My legs felt far more worked then when I trained heavier. I am just sick of loading up lots of plates and putting that stress on my body, I find it far more exhausting and less joint stress to train using light weight and giant sets. I admit though I have not been able to bring my self to train that way for any other body parts though.

your legs probably feel more worked because theyre not used to it.

[Bluto]

You turned Gustavo Badell from a third Tier Pro to a World class bodybuilder and from being from downunder i hope Luke all the best with your training methods but im a bit suspect about your protien shakes.I will pay for Blutos Flight and Accomodatian if he can hang with you Milos.

so basically whether milos training method is superior or not, comes down to whether i can hang with him or not?

thank you doctor, you're a genius!

[garraeth]

You turned Gustavo Badell from a third Tier Pro to a World class bodybuilder and from being from downunder i hope Luke all the best with your training methods but im a bit suspect about your protien shakes.I will pay for Blutos Flight and Accomodatian if he can hang with you Milos.

lol...now that's something I'd like to see...I'm PMing Milos right now w/ the link to this thread.

[TheDoctor]

so basically whether milos training method is superior or not, comes down to whether i can hang with him or not?

thank you doctor, you're a genius!

Your a loud mouth bigot and if you can hang with Milos i will retract my statement.When comes to this matter you do not have to be a genius.

[Vince B]

I have no interest in who can keep up with whom during workouts. However, Milos agrees that information should be shared. Now, he posted that his version of what the pros take re drugs is a lot less than what gh15 claimed. My point is any drugs should be unnecessary for hypertrophy. What I would like to know here is if the giant set protocol works on natural bodybuilders? I have my doubts. Using drugs contaminates training theories. Milos also said that the body often doesn't produce optimal amounts of hormones needed for growth. Surely that is not a justification to supplement those hormones?

While I am all for rapid growth I do not endorse taking additional hormones. If hormone supplementation is part of optimal hypertrophy, according to Milos, then I won't debate hypertrophy training with him.

[chaos]

I have no interest in who can keep up with whom during workouts. However, Milos agrees that information should be shared. Now, he posted that his version of what the pros take re drugs is a lot less than what gh15 claimed. My point is any drugs should be unnecessary for hypertrophy. What I would like to know here is if the giant set protocol works on natural bodybuilders? I have my doubts. Using drugs contaminates training theories. Milos also said that the body often doesn't produce optimal amounts of hormones needed for growth. Surely that is not a justification to supplement those hormones?

While I am all for rapid growth I do not endorse taking additional hormones. If hormone supplementation is part of optimal hypertrophy, according to Milos, then I won't debate hypertrophy training with him.

you should just quit.

[garraeth]

Your a loud mouth bigot and if you can hang with Milos i will retract my statement.When comes to this matter you do not have to be a genius.

Pull it off...send him his plane ticket.

I'll post 1000+ pictures of Bluto trying to keep up w/ Hide, Milos, Rick and me. It'll be a hoot!

[chaos]

Pull it off...send him his plane ticket.

I'll post 1000+ pictures of Bluto trying to keep up w/ Hide, Milos, Rick and me. It'll be a hoot!

he'll never do it. he's all mouth

[sgt. d]

vince b how did you become the strongest gripper?

[LATS]

  milos, are giant sets the only way you train now or do you train with straight sets sometimes?.. i noticed that hide will train straight sets when he is not with you.. so are straight sets added in during off season and the giant sets only during pre contest..?

[Cold]

I bet you anything Bluto has chicken legs LOL..... Just reading the guy's posts you kinda get an idea of how his physique looks. Sadly some people just don't know how to shut up and learn from people more advanced than they are.

[sgt. d]

Bluto sounds like he is in great shape. Why all the hate

[SteelePegasus]

Bluto sounds like he is in great shape. Why all the hate

have you ever seen a pick of mr.bluto?

[Weez]

The bottom line is, is that everything works................... ......Arnold didn't do Milo's worout, but he still won with what he did. Same for Dorian, Haney, Zane, Coleman, Cutler, even NPC competiters.........so this isn't the "only", or even the best way to train.........it is simply another theory, that works. Now, if all of Milos' guys start winning every show, then he may be on to something, but as it stands, it is probably no more scientific, and no more of a  "new training breakthrough", than what you, yourself is doing right now. Truth.

[Max_Rep]

I trained with the Mentzers and now I've trained with Milos (if only 1 workout) and there are few, if any commonalities in thier routines. Milos is high volume-high intensity and Mikes was low-volume high intensity.

Learning HIT directly from training with Mike and ray was WAY more valuable than reading about in a magazine or a book. For everyone that opportunity is gone since Mike and Ray are gone.

You now have an opportunity to learn directly from Milos a completely different concept. He’s offering it openly and I’ve heard every excuse in the book… well I’d have to fly, well I don’t think it will work, well my shoes are to tight, well the sun is in my eyes… jeez I could get drunk on all the whining.

Get on a plane and fly out and train with the man, go home and use his methods for two months. If it doesn’t work for you… so what? You gave it a shot and you can go back to your old training methods. If it does work, you save yourself years of frustration.

[Bluto]

Your a loud mouth bigot and if you can hang with Milos i will retract my statement.When comes to this matter you do not have to be a genius.

So let me get this straight, whether Milos training theory is good or not depends on if Bluto can hang with him? How did you come to this conclusion Doc?

[Bluto]

I have no interest in who can keep up with whom during workouts. However, Milos agrees that information should be shared. Now, he posted that his version of what the pros take re drugs is a lot less than what gh15 claimed. My point is any drugs should be unnecessary for hypertrophy. What I would like to know here is if the giant set protocol works on natural bodybuilders? I have my doubts. Using drugs contaminates training theories. Milos also said that the body often doesn't produce optimal amounts of hormones needed for growth. Surely that is not a justification to supplement those hormones?

While I am all for rapid growth I do not endorse taking additional hormones. If hormone supplementation is part of optimal hypertrophy, according to Milos, then I won't debate hypertrophy training with him.

That's a good question, since a lot of volume, high intensity, little rest, always going to failure etc would work for pros with their genetics and people on drugs, however, for a natural, and amateurs with genetics nothing like the pros it might be a totally different story...