MATT C CONSIDERS THE 911 HIJACKERS "WAR HEROS"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fury]

What u know about the military could fill a thimble, even less about the IDF. The Merkava 3 is an Israeli designed tank....I suppose going into a pizza joint or school bus and blowing urself up is the mark of a hero.

Yeah, but isn't that the case with 99% of the people on this board? The majority of the comments people try to pass off as fact on here are speculation pulled from crappy internet sites that they assume to be true just because someone said so. Sorry, I mean everyone here knows the inner workings of our govt. from their homes. 


Taking applications for "Team MattC supports terrorism"!!!!!

[OzmO]

I heard the same fact - that 7 of 19 suspected terrorists were still alive.  Discuss.

You heard the same fact?   

please elaborate.

If you can.

[Fury]

You heard the same fact?   

please elaborate.

If you can.

He heard it on the internet. It's 100% true!!!!!!!!! 

[OzmO]

Yeah, but isn't that the case with 99% of the people on this board? The majority of the comments people try to pass off as fact on here are speculation pulled from crappy internet sites that they assume to be true just because someone said so. Sorry, I mean everyone here knows the inner workings of our govt. from their homes. 


Taking applications for "Team MattC supports terrorism"!!!!!

3 things.

1.  Common Sense

2.  Beware of conjecture

3.  Avoid labeling speculation as fact or concrete conclusion

[Fury]

3 things.

1.  Common Sense

2.  Beware of conjecture

3.  Avoid labeling speculation as fact or concrete conclusion

If you're directing this at me, then that's pretty funny. Sorry if some of the "facts" and other shit people pull up on here from biased and falsified sites ends up being laughably pathetic. The whole "I read this on some random internet site written by Joe Schmoe in Utah" so it has to be true thing is funny.  Just look at the idiots claiming "7 of the 11 hijackers are still alive," without any link to any proof whatsoever. 

[War-Horse]

Regarding the title of this thread.     Everyone is someones Hero...

[240 is Back]

You'd think so, but I'm not an attorney and neither are you. Also, we don;t have all the information they have on OBL regarding 9/11, maybe all they have is a video tape and unprovable intelligence he was involved.

Anyone have the quote of the FBI big whig on why he's not on the list?

He was asked.  Answer was something about 'we have no evidence he was involved in 911'.  Anyone find the exact quote?

[MB_722]

Regarding the title of this thread.     Everyone is someones Hero...

that is why I agreed with Matt C in the first place, it made sense. to my understanding that was his point to begin with. not as if he is saying they are his heros. definitely someones else's hero

[OzmO]

that is why I agreed with Matt C in the first place, it made sense. to my understanding that was his point to begin with. not as if he is saying they are his heros. definitely someones else's hero

i don't agree.  If during WW2 someone crashed a plane into a building in Germany killing 3000 civilians who were not actively aiding the war in any way, i still would call that person a murderer.

[JOHN MATRIX]

its all a matter of perspective. to some 'people', they ARE heros. of course they arent to us. one man's rebel is another man's freedom fighter. the only real winner in this is Chuck Norris.

[kh300]

its all a matter of perspective. to some 'people', they ARE heros. of course they arent to us. one man's rebel is another man's freedom fighter. the only real winner in this is Chuck Norris.nasser

times have changed

[CARTEL]

I'm glad to see privates  in the Canadian army are experts on foreign policy. Having served with ur comrades, u must have missed the part when they handed out balls and brains.

LOL 

[Matt C]

that is why I agreed with Matt C in the first place, it made sense. to my understanding that was his point to begin with. not as if he is saying they are his heros. definitely someones else's hero

Yes, exactly.  I think the 9.11 terrorists (if the official story is true) are disgusting murderers.  I couldn't give a fuck if their beliefs and values would make them feel otherwise.  If you kill innocent people, you are a piece of shit in my book, regardless of what you believe in.  But I can't call them cowards - it takes a lot of balls to be willing to die for something you believe in.  I would call them assholes or psychos, and cowardly in that they killed so many innocent people, but not cowardly in that they were willing to die for something they believed in.

Alex23 has nothing of substance to add to the debate, so just resorts to strawmen instead.

times have changed

ROFL! 

So is the general consensus in the US that the Canadian Forces is a farce?

[Havenbull]

Brutal juxtaposition of morality

[tu_holmes]

So is the general consensus in the US that the Canadian Forces is a farce?

I dunno... You wanna fight over the title of "Greatest Military Force in North America"?

[tu_holmes]

Brutal juxtaposition of morality

Excellent usage of the word juxtaposition... Props big man.

[Havenbull]

Excellent usage of the word juxtaposition... Props big man.

 

[pedro01]

i don't agree.  If during WW2 someone crashed a plane into a building in Germany killing 3000 civilians who were not actively aiding the war in any way, i still would call that person a murderer.

We Brits were flying raids on German cities during the war & bombing the shit out of them as they were with London. I also believe the US left their mark on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

War targets civilians. Period.

[JOHN MATRIX]

We Brits were flying raids on German cities during the war & bombing the shit out of them as they were with London. I also believe the US left their mark on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

War targets civilians. Period.

true. our firebombing of tokyo as well as the nuke drops AFTER they had no airforce to speak of and had zero offensive capability, which killed hundreds of thousands of civiliansm, were not exactly WWJD hahaha

[OzmO]

true. our firebombing of tokyo as well as the nuke drops AFTER they had no airforce to speak of and had zero offensive capability, which killed hundreds of thousands of civiliansm, were not exactly WWJD hahaha

We Brits were flying raids on German cities during the war & bombing the shit out of them as they were with London. I also believe the US left their mark on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

War targets civilians. Period.

There are some differences between that and 9/11

I forget what it's called exactly but, in Japan and in Germany many civilians were engaged in war production in residential neighborhoods.  We weren't targeting civilians just to kill civilians.   Aside from that all those countries including the USA was engaged in years of war.   What they did on 9/11 was a terrorist act and murder.   

Also, we were not at war on 9/11

[240 is Back]

Also, we were not at war on 9/11

Didn't Osama declare war on us before 9/11?  It was either a few months or a year or so...anyone recall?  he wrote some crazy ass document.  now, i dont know if you can be at war if someone declares it but you dont accept.

[Camel Jockey]

He just said they were heros from the povs of their people, just as our troops are from our pov.

Our troops are doing immoral deeds to better our lives, just as the terrorists thought they were doing something to better the lives of their people.

MattC said nothing wrong, so get off his back. You can't stand any sort of criticism, and belittle people when you can't find decent counter arguements. You keep calling him names, yet can't counter any of his valid points.

The point he makes is a very simple one. The US invaded Iraq for oil, and in the process fucked that country up. Simple as that. Any one in touch with humanity ought to feel for what's happened there and what's going to happen there; regardless of their political alligence.

So stop with the 'lib' and 'canadian' bs.. Just openly admit that US soliders are raiders for a better lifestyle for their people. Hell, they've got my support. However, I'm not going to honor them as though they're highly moral people fighting for good and peace throughout the world.

Learn to read between the lines, folks. If you can't, then you're no better than the people you are denouncing and that's the honest truth.

[Fury]

He just said they were heros from the povs of their people, just as our troops are from our pov.

Our troops are doing immoral deeds to better our lives, just as the terrorists thought they were doing something to better the lives of their people.

MattC said nothing wrong, so get off his back. You can't stand any sort of criticism, and belittle people when you can't find decent counter arguements. You keep calling him names, yet can't counter any of his valid points.

The point he makes is a very simple one. The US invaded Iraq for oil, and in the process fucked that country up. Simple as that. Any one in touch with humanity ought to feel for what's happened there and what's going to happen there; regardless of their political alligence.

So stop with the 'lib' and 'canadian' bs.. Just openly admit that US soliders are raiders for a better lifestyle for their people. Hell, they've got my support. However, I'm not going to honor them as though they're highly moral people fighting for good and peace throughout the world.

Learn to read between the lines, folks. If you can't, then you're no better than the people you are denouncing and that's the honest truth.

Why do you act like we're forcing the Iraqis to blow each other up and chop kids and innocent people's heads off? 

[Camel Jockey]

Why do you act like we're forcing the Iraqis to blow each other up and chop kids and innocent people's heads off? 

Would there have been an insurgency if we hadn't invaded? We allowed some mad disease to breed and multiply.

[no one]

I dunno... You wanna fight over the title of "Greatest Military Force in North America"?

i believe you and canada tried that little war 200 years ago.

and the americans got their asses handed to them.

typical american, always bragging about military power, not caring they are the most hated nation in the world.

bottom line in all this debate is that if the US gov't had not spent the better part of half a century going around the globe, bullying weaker nations for their own monetary/ political gain, you wouldn't be worried about having some aggitated muslim wanting to blow your asses back into the middle ages.

you are now reaping what you sow.

it's just a shame innocent lives are being lost over it.

but blame no one but your own establishment.