Author Topic: The tendency to get fat may be hardwired in the brains of some people.  (Read 4614 times)

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Bodybuilders usually can control the composition of their bodies and cannot comprehend why everyone can't. Surely the same principles work with everyone and physics holds true universally? If you have fat relatives or friends you know that something is wrong with this theory because some people seem predisposed to become and then remain fat no matter what they do. While it is clear that fat people can and do lose weight while dieting the vast majority regain that weight within a year or two. The constant process of dieting and regaining might not be the fault of will power as so many conclude. The way the body manages fat is not the same in all of us. It appears that some people are hardwired in their brains to be fat if given a lifestyle of ease where resources are plentiful.

There is also evidence that fat people go into a state similar to starvation when they diet and this state defeats weight loss after the diet ends because these people still feel like they are starving and the body continues to store excess fat. However, while in starvation mode the level where excess is determined seems to be at a lower level than for most people. In other words, fat people store fat easier than other people even if both eat the same amount of food.

Many people still poke fun at fat people but if they knew more about physiology they might be ashamed of doing so. What is clear is that the tendency to store fat easily might have been an advantage in primitive times when food was scarce but it is surely not that in modern societies.

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Re: The tendency to get fat may be hardwired in the brains of some people.
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2008, 01:34:18 PM »

You can take any fat guy lock him up and don't feed him and he WILL loose weight

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Re: The tendency to get fat may be hardwired in the brains of some people.
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2008, 01:37:16 PM »
You can take any fat guy lock him up and don't feed him and he WILL loose weight

hahaha exactly.

You can unhardwire by teaching yourself to eat less.

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Re: The tendency to get fat may be hardwired in the brains of some people.
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2008, 01:51:14 PM »
this is bullshit, their metabolism is the same, they just sneak eat when no one is looking. That is the only difference.


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Re: The tendency to get fat may be hardwired in the brains of some people.
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2008, 01:52:36 PM »
has it really ever been proven that a fat person would out live a normal person if they were both starving? I dont think it has. I dont think the body would really live off the fat.

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Re: The tendency to get fat may be hardwired in the brains of some people.
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2008, 01:54:16 PM »

common now

we are no longer allowed to make fun of wetbacks like camel jockey, retards like stark or fags like nycbull

dont tell us we no longer can make fun of fat people!  >:(
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Re: The tendency to get fat may be hardwired in the brains of some people.
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2008, 01:54:46 PM »
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/080205/health/us_health_obesity


Bodybuilders usually can control the composition of their bodies and cannot comprehend why everyone can't. Surely the same principles work with everyone and physics holds true universally? If you have fat relatives or friends you know that something is wrong with this theory because some people seem predisposed to become and then remain fat no matter what they do. While it is clear that fat people can and do lose weight while dieting the vast majority regain that weight within a year or two due to a sickening lack of willpower!


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Re: The tendency to get fat may be hardwired in the brains of some people.
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2008, 01:57:05 PM »
has it really ever been proven that a fat person would out live a normal person if they were both starving? I dont think it has. I dont think the body would really live off the fat.


If you're healthy and have excess bodyfat then you will live longer then a healthy low bodyfat person but the thing is most overweight people also treat their bodies like complete shit along with over eating.
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Re: The tendency to get fat may be hardwired in the brains of some people.
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2008, 01:58:47 PM »
common now

dont tell us we no longer can make fun of fat people! 

I agree.

Not being able to make fun of you would suck.

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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2008, 02:02:17 PM »
I agree.

Not being able to make fun of you would suck.

im not fat  8)

i guess my brain aint hardwired that way
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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2008, 02:17:30 PM »
im not fat  8)

i guess my brain aint hardwired that way

We should hate everyone equally, chap.

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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2008, 02:19:17 PM »
common now

we are no longer allowed to make fun of wetbacks like camel jockey, retards like stark or fags like nycbull

dont tell us we no longer can make fun of fat people!  >:(

common now 

I never said that, I just didnt think you were capable of being funny.

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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2008, 02:20:43 PM »
You can take any fat guy lock him up and don't feed him and he WILL loose weight

www.loseloose.com

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Re: The tendency to get fat may be hardwired in the brains of some people.
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2008, 02:27:54 PM »
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/080205/health/us_health_obesity


Bodybuilders usually can control the composition of their bodies and cannot comprehend why everyone can't. Surely the same principles work with everyone and physics holds true universally? If you have fat relatives or friends you know that something is wrong with this theory because some people seem predisposed to become and then remain fat no matter what they do. While it is clear that fat people can and do lose weight while dieting the vast majority regain that weight within a year or two. The constant process of dieting and regaining might not be the fault of will power as so many conclude. The way the body manages fat is not the same in all of us. It appears that some people are hardwired in their brains to be fat if given a lifestyle of ease where resources are plentiful.

There is also evidence that fat people go into a state similar to starvation when they diet and this state defeats weight loss after the diet ends because these people still feel like they are starving and the body continues to store excess fat. However, while in starvation mode the level where excess is determined seems to be at a lower level than for most people. In other words, fat people store fat easier than other people even if both eat the same amount of food.

Many people still poke fun at fat people but if they knew more about physiology they might be ashamed of doing so. What is clear is that the tendency to store fat easily might have been an advantage in primitive times when food was scarce but it is surely not that in modern societies.



Hmmm...funny how they don't have these "psychological" problems of obesity in places like South Africa, Indonesia, somalia etc.  ::)


Have they done a study showing a link between this psychological handicap and the nearest Mcdonalds??   ;D
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Re: The tendency to get fat may be hardwired in the brains of some people.
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2008, 02:29:27 PM »
People get fat because they allow themselves to get fat.

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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2008, 02:39:48 PM »

Hmmm...funny how they don't have these "psychological" problems of obesity in places like South Africa, Indonesia, somalia etc.  ::)


Have they done a study showing a link between this psychological handicap and the nearest Mcdonalds??   ;D
Vince Basile, clearly stated that these problems are exacerbated by an abundance of resources i.e. food/calories.

You sir are truly a dumbbell.

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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2008, 05:23:02 PM »
The great Getbig unwashed are rather intolerant and thick as well. Most here stick to inherited beliefs and dogma and are incapable of independent thought or behaviour.

There is a classic study done on, I think, the Pima Indians in America. They have become prosperous because a casino is on the reservation and most enjoy a modern lifestyle of abundance and little physical work. The result is they have the highest rate of diabetes in America. High blood pressure and obesity are also problems.

There is a community of related Indians in Mexico where they live without electricity or many modern conveniences. They have to labour long and hard to survive there. That community has no obesity or diabetes. Clearly, lifestyle and the environment are important but these people have genetic characteristics that are expressed only when they become obese. I don't think they have had much success reversing or controlling the problems.

Like I said, bodybuilders are oblivious of the problems faced by obese people. Their solutions are not supported by science because once obesity has established itself it is very difficult to permanently reverse. Those of you who think it is easy obviously don't work in gyms. Oh, sure, everyone thinks that if you can control what these people eat the fat would fall off. Well, that doesn't always happen because a lot of the size of obese people is fluid retention. Most here have little idea about obesity. It would benefit everyone if they did study this problem but most here assume the way to get big muscles is to take more drugs.

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Re: The tendency to get fat may be hardwired in the brains of some people.
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2008, 05:34:57 PM »
those Indians got rich as shit with those casinos

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Re: The tendency to get fat may be hardwired in the brains of some people.
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2008, 05:36:40 PM »
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/080205/health/us_health_obesity


Bodybuilders usually can control the composition of their bodies and cannot comprehend why everyone can't. Surely the same principles work with everyone and physics holds true universally? If you have fat relatives or friends you know that something is wrong with this theory because some people seem predisposed to become and then remain fat no matter what they do. While it is clear that fat people can and do lose weight while dieting the vast majority regain that weight within a year or two. The constant process of dieting and regaining might not be the fault of will power as so many conclude. The way the body manages fat is not the same in all of us. It appears that some people are hardwired in their brains to be fat if given a lifestyle of ease where resources are plentiful.

There is also evidence that fat people go into a state similar to starvation when they diet and this state defeats weight loss after the diet ends because these people still feel like they are starving and the body continues to store excess fat. However, while in starvation mode the level where excess is determined seems to be at a lower level than for most people. In other words, fat people store fat easier than other people even if both eat the same amount of food.

Many people still poke fun at fat people but if they knew more about physiology they might be ashamed of doing so. What is clear is that the tendency to store fat easily might have been an advantage in primitive times when food was scarce but it is surely not that in modern societies.


Everything you say here is in fact true. . . but what are you suggesting?  What exactly is your point?  Are you saying that becaues it is more difficult for person B to lose weight compared to person A they should not try?  That in and of itself is pretty unamerican.  Because I grew up poor and am at a disadvantage because my schools werent as good as some people I shouldn't study?  If someone doesn't have good genetics for bodybuilding they shouldn't lift weights?

The simple fact of the matter is that LIFE IS NOT FAIR.  Some people are smarter, taller, funnier, prettier., etc., etc.  No doubt some people will have to work harder to be fit than others, no one is disputing that with you, that does not give them the right to eat everything under the sun and blame it on genetics.

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Re: The tendency to get fat may be hardwired in the brains of some people.
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2008, 05:40:44 PM »
The great Getbig unwashed are rather intolerant and thick as well. Most here stick to inherited beliefs and dogma and are incapable of independent thought or behaviour.

There is a classic study done on, I think, the Pima Indians in America. They have become prosperous because a casino is on the reservation and most enjoy a modern lifestyle of abundance and little physical work. The result is they have the highest rate of diabetes in America. High blood pressure and obesity are also problems.

There is a community of related Indians in Mexico where they live without electricity or many modern conveniences. They have to labour long and hard to survive there. That community has no obesity or diabetes. Clearly, lifestyle and the environment are important but these people have genetic characteristics that are expressed only when they become obese. I don't think they have had much success reversing or controlling the problems.
Vince, many studies have been done over the years concerning remote populations and the introduction of foodstuff durables (mostly nutritionally poor carbs), the phasing out of regional foods, and the deleterious effects thereof. In Canada, the Inuit have been affected. I see them everyday as they lumber from the regional hospice to the hospital (they fly here for treatment). In your part of the world, those in the Pacific Islands have been very hard hit. These effects are well known and understood for the most part. It's not going to get better without a sea change in, well, everything. 

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« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2008, 06:03:33 PM »
That the obese have been dealt a poor hand I think can be accepted. How does anyone know he or she has that hand to get obese? Well, most don't have any idea until it is too late. The problem is that gym instructors, physical educators and dietitians often believe losing weight is easy if you are motivated to do so. Studies of the obese suggest otherwise. The more you look into obesity the more you think it must be more than just will power.

I have never met a fat person who wants to be fat. When one person in a family is fat and no one else is it is hardly the environment and lifestyle because those are similar. If you listen to intelligent fat people you know there are other factors besides diet and activity. What aggravates this problem is that the fatter you get the less active you can be and the harder it will be to reverse or control obesity. There are also some studies suggesting that most fat people eventually get to set points where they remain more or less. I haven't been convinced about these points but I can say that fat is more difficult to lose when you get older. Most of you young fellows have no clue about what you will be like when you get over 50. For one thing the motivation to train and be big is not so pronounced. Then families and friends occupy more time and the gym lifestyle isn't so attractive. If you own a gym you will almost not want to train anymore because when you are there talking to people, helping them and looking after the plant and equipment will take most of your time.

We have seen some Asian people get fat in America. Especially those from India. However, the Chinese, Japanese and Koreans are not obese except for the rare individual.  The introduction of Western culture and lifestyles to native people has surely disrupted them perhaps forever. They have been invaded like we would be if creatures came to our planet from outer space. Oh, I forgot, gh15 and other luminaries are sure they are already here and we are part of them. Maybe the tendency to get fat is an aberration?

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« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2008, 06:30:50 PM »
fat people lie, it has been on countless Jenny Jones and Geraldos, they lie about what they eat, they eat like everyone else but when no one is around they have food hidden at home and in the office and eat to emotional satisfy themselves. It is more psych than biology. This is the main reason for people being fat. If it was something bilogical pharma companies would be on it by now.

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Re: The tendency to get fat may be hardwired in the brains of some people.
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2008, 07:12:07 PM »
I'm not even reading that huge post. Vince your love for fatties is sickening!  >:(

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Re: The tendency to get fat may be hardwired in the brains of some people.
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2008, 07:14:09 PM »
Quit making excuses for yourself Vince Basile you fat turd!!!

Just because you won Mr Beaverpelt 1812 don't mean shit no mo'... Get on a diet and shrink those massive moobs of yours!!!

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Re: The tendency to get fat may be hardwired in the brains of some people.
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2008, 07:22:55 PM »
Quit making excuses for yourself Vince Basile you fat turd!!!

Just because you won Mr Beaverpelt 1812 don't mean shit no mo'... Get on a diet and shrink those massive moobs of yours!!!


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