G4P...Were you better off not knowing?

[drkaje]

The other day, Arvilla said he didn’t know about the G4P side (we can disagree on how big or small that side is) of bodybuilding until he came to getbig and other message boards.  I found this comment interesting coming from someone who has been involved in the sport for so many years.

When did the rest of you clue in to the G4P side?  How many of you are like Arvilla and didn’t know what was going on until you came to getbig or a similar board?  With sites like musclegallery.com accessible with just a mouse click it’s impossible to deny that at least posing is going on.  When did you realize there was a schmoe side to pro bodybuilding?

None of us can un-know what we now know, but do you think you were better off before you knew?

All due respect but does hanging out at a gym, posting on message boards or counting reps for fat housewives count as "Being involved in the sport for so many years"?

Anyone who seriously competed and or won something would know about bodybuilders doing icky stuff to make ends meet. True, MD is the only mag that was willing to openly discuss it and the articles pretty much said: don't judge, drugs aren't cheap.

Anyone with a brain knows only a small percentage of bodybuilders make serious money and without schmoes/schmoettes most of the lower tier people could never afford to compete.

[johnnynoname]

All due respect but does hanging out at a gym, posting on message boards or counting reps for fat housewives count as "Being involved in the sport for so many years"?

Anyone who seriously competed and or won something would know about bodybuilders doing icky stuff to make ends meet. True, MD is the only mag that was willing to openly discuss it and the articles pretty much said: don't judge, drugs aren't cheap.

Anyone with a brain knows only a small percentage of bodybuilders make serious money and without schmoes/schmoettes most of the lower tier people could never afford to compete.

I need to see pics of these Schmoettes?

I need to see what kind of woman looks at a pro bb'er and says to herself "yes, that is what i need to make me feel whole"

[BayGBM]

tell me someone photoshopped this.  that's not ben weider...right?

My naïve young friend... you have so much to learn. 

[tbombz]

what does it matter i dont see why it matters..

[Fatpanda]

what does it matter i dont see why it matters..

looking for a sponsor candy ? 

[drkaje]

I need to see pics of these Schmoettes?

Do you really want to see pictures of a chick so busted that supporting a bodybuilder is the only way to have decent looking company?

Here's the only thing left to question.... Does dancing for gays make you gay?

[johnnynoname]

Do you really want to see pictures of a chick so busted that supporting a bodybuilder is the only way to have decent looking company?

Here's the only thing left to question.... Does dancing for gays make you gay?

to answer both of your questions,
no (that is TRULY a sad woman on the inside and out)
and no

[BayGBM]

All due respect but does hanging out at a gym, posting on message boards or counting reps for fat housewives count as "Being involved in the sport for so many years"?

Unlike many here who try to distance themselves from bodybuilding, Mike is an unapologetic fan of the sport.  He trains hard, goes to shows, has pix with pros he has met, reads the mags, and has a video library of workout vids.  And he has been at it for years!

[Earl1972]

so a couple lower tier bodybuilders posed for rich gay guys

who cares?

many actors and actresses have done "whatever it takes" to get parts in movies, should we quit watching the movies?

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[wavelength]

The problem is not the Gay but the 4Pay part. This automatically makes bodybuilding an adult sport only. People can do whatever they want, but who wants to introduce someone to his friends or family with "meet my bodybuilding hero and BTW he's also a whore"?

[tbombz]

so a couple lower tier bodybuilders posed for rich gay guys

who cares?

many actors and actresses have done "whatever it takes" to get parts in movies, should we quit watching the movies?

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young females suck teachers dicks for A's in their college classes and suck cocks for jobs as personal assistants and shit everyday.. nodbody cares one iota... why anybody would care about some bodybuilder posing for a dude to get some money.. ??  homophobes, thats why...

[drkaje]

Unlike many here who try to distance themselves from bodybuilding, Mike is an unapologetic fan of the sport.  He trains hard, goes to shows, has pix with pros he has met, reads the mags, and has a video library of workout vids.  And he has been at it for years!

Come on?!

Anyone that's been hanging around a hard core gym has met tons of drug dealers and guys who happen to have rich housemates that help them out. Those things have been and will always be part of the sport.

Mike's a nice guy and probably not stupid. Maybe he'd just rather see the best in people and didn't ask any questions.

Also, I'm not convinced bodybuilding is a sport.

[Earl1972]

Also, I'm not convinced bodybuilding is a sport.

the dictionary says it is

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[jtsunami]

mm mmmm mmmm i would love to be sitting in that chair!

[freespirit]

mm mmmm mmmm i would love to be sitting in that chair!

You would love to sit on Joe's lap?   

[The_Punisher]

My naïve young friend... you have so much to learn. 

it looks like you were the only one missing from that pic, BayGBM

[MONSTER_TRICEPS]

mm mmmm mmmm i would love to be sitting in that chair!

  "Please don't flame me guys"

[drkaje]

We all know how far addicts will go to get drugs.

G4P doesn't surprise anyone.

[BayGBM]

it looks like you were the only one missing from that pic, BayGBM

That pic is funny for so many reasons; it is a classic.  At the very least, it shows Joe does not discriminate. 

[Fatpanda]

bay was it a black or white guy ?

[BB]

I figured out the whole shady side a longtime ago. I remember reading the magazines years ago and finding it funny that most of these guys had no real job.

Personally, I'm happy the whole gay for pay thing has been needled out into the open. Watching people feign ignorance and seeing various bodybuilders exposed has brought me tons of laughs over the years.  

[BayGBM]

We all know how far addicts will go to get drugs.

G4P doesn't surprise anyone.

Good point about drug addicts.  But I don't think it's fair to say G4P does not surprise anyone.  My PMs confirm that many guys learned about it here for the first time and have had their bubble burst.  Being naïve about this makes sense when you're 17, but by the time you're 40 one should know better.   

[timfogarty]

bay thinks musclegallery is g4p?   there's no nudity there.  suggestive videos, sure.  but no nudity.  

musclehunks is j/o videos.  sure that's a little more gay, and a bad image for the sport.  but its still not g4p.

g4p is escorting and prostitution.  prostitution is illegal.   it is certainly bad for the sport.  but same with the women.   there are IFBB pro women who escort.  they have the wrestling videos.   all of that is bad for the image of the sport.

what has always bothered me about the powers that be in bodybuilding is that they looked the other way regarding escorting, whether male or female, as long as it was kept out of the public eye.  but they blacklisted any guy who was openly gay, even those who never did prostitution or porn.

[BayGBM]

bay was it a black or white guy ?

Does that matter?  Let me put it this way: it is not who you think it is.  I will never name him, but other members of that board (who are also on getbig) probably remember the entire episode I described and they know who he is.

[triple_pickle]

i think some unnamed parties were actually happy when they found out