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Re: Law Degree
« Reply #75 on: March 18, 2009, 09:17:49 PM »
but he said he was clean now because of his job, he is competing for a pro card without drugs ???
Haha man I never said I was doin the Nationals,I live in Ireland anyway
I'll reveal my dream job tomorrow,if I get it
If I dont get it then i'll try again in future

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Re: Law Degree
« Reply #76 on: March 18, 2009, 09:18:34 PM »
Haha man I never said I was doin the Nationals,I live in Ireland anyway
I'll reveal my dream job tomorrow,if I get it
If I dont get it then i'll try again in future

I thought you were a firefighter?  ???
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Re: Law Degree
« Reply #77 on: March 18, 2009, 09:20:01 PM »
I am,and I quite like it (just posted pic in the obese policeman thread actually)
But another job Ive always wanted may come my way tommrrow

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Re: Law Degree
« Reply #78 on: March 18, 2009, 09:28:25 PM »
i got a degree in political science.

now i'm in construction (management).

i hate it, but i hate it less than my other option , which was to go to law school.

my sister's wrapping her law degree up, more power to her, but i can't stand those fucks in their 200 dollar suits.
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Re: Law Degree
« Reply #79 on: March 18, 2009, 10:38:21 PM »
i got a degree in political science.

now i'm in construction (management).

i hate it, but i hate it less than my other option , which was to go to law school.

my sister's wrapping her law degree up, more power to her, but i can't stand those fucks in their 200 dollar suits.

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Re: Law Degree
« Reply #80 on: March 19, 2009, 07:39:04 AM »
Haha man I never said I was doin the Nationals,I live in Ireland anyway
I'll reveal my dream job tomorrow,if I get it
If I dont get it then i'll try again in future


lol that was just a joke man^^

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Re: Law Degree
« Reply #81 on: March 19, 2009, 08:24:28 AM »
Thanks for all the extremely helpful replies.

Honestly, I'd probably enjoy being a "House Husband" most of all.  I need to focus on finding a woman who makes big bucks.  8)

good thinking!
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Re: Law Degree
« Reply #82 on: March 19, 2009, 12:10:20 PM »
i got a degree in political science.

now i'm in construction (management).

i hate it, but i hate it less than my other option , which was to go to law school.

my sister's wrapping her law degree up, more power to her, but i can't stand those fucks in their 200 dollar suits.


haha. ... you think two hundred is expensive for a suit?  haha... where the hell do you buy suits at?  KMart?

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Re: Law Degree
« Reply #83 on: March 19, 2009, 12:20:06 PM »

haha. ... you think two hundred is expensive for a suit?  haha... where the hell do you buy suits at?  KMart?

Haha no shit this Power Rod character is a real dipshit!  $200 suit! LMAO!  Try ten times that much moron! 

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Re: Law Degree
« Reply #84 on: March 19, 2009, 12:26:57 PM »
the more expensive clothes the less you have under :D
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Re: Law Degree
« Reply #85 on: March 19, 2009, 12:28:07 PM »
Haha no shit this Power Rod character is a real dipshit!  $200 suit! LMAO!  Try ten times that much moron! 

I thought he was making fun of them for having cheap suits?  ??? lol
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Re: Law Degree
« Reply #86 on: March 19, 2009, 12:32:24 PM »
me too
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Re: Law Degree
« Reply #87 on: March 19, 2009, 12:49:07 PM »
i thought he was saying he didn't like lawyer's and their $200 dollar suits..   i.e. they are crooked etc, make a lot of money, and can afford the 200 dollar suits...

200 bucks for a suit ain't happenin' fellas!  (unless it's junk)

a decent cheaper suit would be about 500.  I had a custom made one done up for 800 and that wasn't bad.  But they're a long term investment and worth every penny.  You really can tell the difference bt a shit suit and a good one.

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Re: Law Degree
« Reply #88 on: March 19, 2009, 01:37:19 PM »
i thought he was saying he didn't like lawyer's and their $200 dollar suits..   i.e. they are crooked etc, make a lot of money, and can afford the 200 dollar suits...

200 bucks for a suit ain't happenin' fellas!  (unless it's junk)

a decent cheaper suit would be about 500.  I had a custom made one done up for 800 and that wasn't bad.  But they're a long term investment and worth every penny.  You really can tell the difference bt a shit suit and a good one.


I just bought two Zegna suits for 3k total.  Worth every cent.  Good suits make you money.

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Re: Law Degree
« Reply #89 on: March 19, 2009, 01:46:01 PM »
i thought he was saying he didn't like lawyer's and their $200 dollar suits..   i.e. they are crooked etc, make a lot of money, and can afford the 200 dollar suits...

200 bucks for a suit ain't happenin' fellas!  (unless it's junk)

a decent cheaper suit would be about 500.  I had a custom made one done up for 800 and that wasn't bad.  But they're a long term investment and worth every penny.  You really can tell the difference bt a shit suit and a good one.

i think the mens warehouse has suits from $100

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Re: Law Degree
« Reply #90 on: March 19, 2009, 01:47:07 PM »

I just bought two Zegna suits for 3k total.  Worth every cent.  Good suits make you money.

Bingo.

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Re: Law Degree
« Reply #91 on: March 19, 2009, 03:02:39 PM »
I don't even own a tie.

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Re: Law Degree
« Reply #92 on: March 19, 2009, 10:23:26 PM »
I don't even own a tie.

Do you own a smoking jacket?

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Re: Law Degree
« Reply #93 on: March 20, 2009, 05:59:47 AM »
Do you own a smoking jacket?

Haha, no but I own a robe which is exactly like Tony Soprano's. 

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Re: Law Degree
« Reply #94 on: January 11, 2011, 04:44:48 AM »
Is Law School a Losing Game?
By DAVID SEGAL

IF there is ever a class in how to remain calm while trapped beneath $250,000 in loans, Michael Wallerstein ought to teach it.

Here he is, sitting one afternoon at a restaurant on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, a tall, sandy-haired, 27-year-old radiating a kind of surfer-dude serenity. His secret, if that’s the right word, is to pretty much ignore all the calls and letters that he receives every day from the dozen or so creditors now hounding him for cash.

“And I don’t open the e-mail alerts with my credit score,” he adds. “I can’t look at my credit score any more.”

Mr. Wallerstein, who can’t afford to pay down interest and thus watches the outstanding loan balance grow, is in roughly the same financial hell as people who bought more home than they could afford during the real estate boom. But creditors can’t foreclose on him because he didn’t spend the money on a house.

He spent it on a law degree. And from every angle, this now looks like a catastrophic investment.

Well, every angle except one: the view from law schools. To judge from data that law schools collect, and which is published in the closely parsed U.S. News and World Report annual rankings, the prospects of young doctors of jurisprudence are downright rosy.

In reality, and based on every other source of information, Mr. Wallerstein and a generation of J.D.’s face the grimmest job market in decades. Since 2008, some 15,000 attorney and legal-staff jobs at large firms have vanished, according to a Northwestern Law study. Associates have been laid off, partners nudged out the door and recruitment programs have been scaled back or eliminated.

And with corporations scrutinizing their legal expenses as never before, more entry-level legal work is now outsourced to contract temporary employees, both in the United States and in countries like India. It’s common to hear lawyers fret about the sort of tectonic shift that crushed the domestic steel industry decades ago.

But improbably enough, law schools have concluded that life for newly minted grads is getting sweeter, at least by one crucial measure. In 1997, when U.S. News first published a statistic called “graduates known to be employed nine months after graduation,” law schools reported an average employment rate of 84 percent. In the most recent U.S. News rankings, 93 percent of grads were working — nearly a 10-point jump.

In the Wonderland of these statistics, a remarkable number of law school grads are not just busy — they are raking it in. Many schools, even those that have failed to break into the U.S. News top 40, state that the median starting salary of graduates in the private sector is $160,000. That seems highly unlikely, given that Harvard and Yale, at the top of the pile, list the exact same figure.

How do law schools depict a feast amid so much famine?

“Enron-type accounting standards have become the norm,” says William Henderson of Indiana University, one of many exasperated law professors who are asking the American Bar Association to overhaul the way law schools assess themselves. “Every time I look at this data, I feel dirty.”

IT is an open secret, Professor Henderson and others say, that schools finesse survey information in dozens of ways. And the survey’s guidelines, which are established not by U.S. News but by the American Bar Association, in conjunction with an organization called the National Association for Law Placement, all but invite trimming.

A law grad, for instance, counts as “employed after nine months” even if he or she has a job that doesn’t require a law degree. Waiting tables at Applebee’s? You’re employed. Stocking aisles at Home Depot? You’re working, too.

Number-fudging games are endemic, professors and deans say, because the fortunes of law schools rise and fall on rankings, with reputations and huge sums of money hanging in the balance. You may think of law schools as training grounds for new lawyers, but that is just part of it.

They are also cash cows.

Tuition at even mediocre law schools can cost up to $43,000 a year. Those huge lecture-hall classes — remember “The Paper Chase”? — keep teaching costs down. There are no labs or expensive equipment to maintain. So much money flows into law schools that law professors are among the highest paid in academia, and law schools that are part of universities often subsidize the money-losing fields of higher education.

“If you’re a law school and you add 25 kids to your class, that’s a million dollars, and you don’t even have to hire another teacher,” says Allen Tanenbaum, a lawyer in Atlanta who led the American Bar Association’s commission on the impact of the economic crisis on the profession and legal needs. “That additional income goes straight to the bottom line.”

There were fewer complaints about fudging and subsidizing when legal jobs were plentiful. But student loans have always been the financial equivalent of chronic illnesses because there is no legal way to shake them. So the glut of diplomas, the dearth of jobs and those candy-coated employment statistics have now yielded a crop of furious young lawyers who say they mortgaged their future under false pretenses. You can sample their rage, and their admonitions, on what are known as law school scam blogs, with names like Shilling Me Softly, Subprime JD and Rose Colored Glasses.

“Avoid this overpriced sewer pit as if your life depended on it,” writes the anonymous author of the blog Third Tier Reality — a reference to the second-to-bottom tier of the U.S. News rankings — in a typically scatological review. “Unless, of course, you think that you will be better off with $110k-$190k in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt for a degree that qualifies you to wait tables at the Battery Park Bar and Lounge.”

But so far, the warnings have been unheeded. Job openings for lawyers have plunged, but law schools are not dialing back enrollment. About 43,000 J.D.’s were handed out in 2009, 11 percent more than a decade earlier, and the number of law schools keeps rising — nine new ones in the last 10 years, and five more seeking approval to open in the future.

Apparently, there is no shortage of 22-year-olds who think that law school is the perfect place to wait out a lousy economy and the gasoline that fuels this system — federally backed student loans — is still widely available. But the legal market has always been obsessed with academic credentials, and today, few students except those with strong grade-point averages at top national and regional schools can expect a come-hither from a deep-pocketed firm. Nearly everyone else is in for a struggle. Which is why many law school professors privately are appalled by what they describe as a huge and continuing transfer of wealth, from students short on cash to richly salaried academics. Or perhaps this is more like a game of three-card monte, with law schools flipping the aces and a long line of eager players, most wagering borrowed cash, in a contest that few of them can win.

And all those losers can remain cash-poor for a long time. “I think the student loans that kids leave law school with are more scandalous than payday loans,” says Andrew Morriss, a law professor at the University of Alabama. “And because it’s so easy to get a student loan, law school tuition has grossly outpaced the rate of inflation for the last 20 years. It’s now astonishingly high.”

Like everything else about the law, however, the full picture here is complicated. Independent surveys find that most law students would enroll even if they knew that only a tiny number of them would wind up with six-figure salaries. Nearly all of them, it seems, are convinced that they’re going to win the ring toss at this carnival and bring home the stuffed bear.

And many students enroll for reasons other than immediate financial returns. Mr. Wallerstein, for instance, was drawn by the prestige of the degree. He has no regrets, at least for now, even though he seems doomed to a type of indentured servitude at least through his 30s.

“Law school might not be worth it for another 10 or 15 years,” he says, “but the riskier approach always has the bigger payoff.”

True, say Professor Henderson and his allies. But he contends that law schools — which, let’s not forget, require students to take courses on disclosure and ethics — have a special moral obligation to tell the truth about themselves. It’s an obligation that persists, he says, even if students would sign on the dotted line no matter what...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/business/09law.html?_r=1&ref=homepage&src=me&pagewanted=all

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Re: Law Degree
« Reply #95 on: January 11, 2011, 05:07:13 AM »
I own a tie now.  Haven't put it on.

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Re: Law Degree
« Reply #96 on: January 11, 2011, 05:20:29 AM »
As I suggested on page 2, unless you attend a first or second tier law school (or you can get someone else to pay your tuition) the path to prosperity for young people today via law school is like walking a tightrope (without any practice); your likelihood of success is very slim.

Law school graduates are saddled with huge debit $120k- $200k+ and the plum, well paying jobs are only going to graduates from first/second tier and in the top of their classes--or to people with connections.

It's a huge bait and switch.  :-[

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Re: Law Degree
« Reply #97 on: January 11, 2011, 05:30:23 AM »

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Re: Law Degree
« Reply #98 on: January 11, 2011, 05:32:27 AM »
How tuff is it to get a Law Degree?  ???

Not that hard, but a shit load of work.   

1 year is a mountain of work and stress.
2nd year - shit load of work but not as much stress
3rd year - easy - but sed to prepare for bar exam.   

Bar Exam - not that hard if ou prepare early enough.

   

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Re: Law Degree
« Reply #99 on: January 11, 2011, 07:42:43 AM »
Law School is not tough?

I feel for the people who go to crappy law schools though and come out with 6 figures in student loans though. They are the ones who someone should have tapped and said, "hey, why dont you use that loan and start a business or something"...

I had plenty of friends in law school when I was in undergrad and it was a lot like bodybuilding. You use study drugs to improve performance.