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Re: GM CEO resigns at Obama's behest
« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2009, 08:50:21 AM »
Kerry was wounded 3 times in the field, wasn't he?  What wasn't accurate about that, Joe?  I can see disagreeing with his policies and post-war beliefs, but he was actually there - your point of view is based on what you saw on TV.  Please tell us why John Kerry is a traitor, joe.  I disagree with a lot of politicians, but 'traitor' is the worst charge you can levy against a person.



John Kerry in I think 1971 shit on our military in a public interview. I'll find it.

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Re: GM CEO resigns at Obama's behest
« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2009, 08:58:41 AM »
John Kerry's service in Vietnam lasted 4 months and 12 days, beginning in November 1968 when he reported to Cam Ranh Bay for a month of training. His abbreviated combat tour ended shortly after he requested a transfer out of Vietnam on March 17, 1969, citing Navy instruction 1300.39 permitting personnel with three Purple Hearts to request reassignment. So far as we are able to determine, Kerry was the only Swift sailor ever to leave Vietnam without completing the standard one-year tour of duty, other than those who were seriously wounded or killed.

It is clear that at least one of Kerry's Purple Heart awards was the result of his own negligence, not enemy fire, and that Kerry went to unusual lengths to obtain the award after being turned down by his own commanding officer.

John Kerry has long insisted that using the three-injury loophole to leave combat early was his own idea, but Kerry's fellow Swift officer Thomas Wright, who served on occasion as the OIC (Officer in Charge) of Kerry's boat group, contradicts that claim. Wright reports that he "had a lot of trouble getting Kerry to follow orders," and that those who worked with Kerry found him "oriented towards his personal, rather than unit goals and objectives." He therefore requested that Kerry be removed from his boat group. After John Kerry qualified for his third Purple Heart, Thomas Wright and two fellow officers informed him of the obscure regulation, and told him to go home. Wright concluded, "We knew how the system worked and we didn’t want him in Coastal Division 11."

Constructing a complete picture of Kerry's service is difficult due to gaps in the Naval records provided by the Kerry campaign. These gaps include missing and incomplete fitness reports, missing medical records and missing records related to his medal awards.

For this reason we call upon Senator Kerry to authorize complete access to all his military records by filing a standard Form 180, a simple two-page release form.

Swift Vets and POWs for Truth is in the process of researching John Kerry's time in Vietnam by conducting interviews with eyewitnesses to his activities, and we plan to add material to this section over the next several weeks as it becomes available. We will report the true circumstances of Kerry's medal awards and injuries, describe other controversial missions, and provide in-depth analysis of his fitness reports.


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Re: GM CEO resigns at Obama's behest
« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2009, 09:08:12 AM »
John Kerry's service in Vietnam lasted 4 months and 12 days, beginning in November 1968 when he reported to Cam Ranh Bay for a month of training. His abbreviated combat tour ended shortly after he requested a transfer out of Vietnam on March 17, 1969, citing Navy instruction 1300.39 permitting personnel with three Purple Hearts to request reassignment. So far as we are able to determine, Kerry was the only Swift sailor ever to leave Vietnam without completing the standard one-year tour of duty, other than those who were seriously wounded or killed.

It is clear that at least one of Kerry's Purple Heart awards was the result of his own negligence, not enemy fire, and that Kerry went to unusual lengths to obtain the award after being turned down by his own commanding officer.

John Kerry has long insisted that using the three-injury loophole to leave combat early was his own idea, but Kerry's fellow Swift officer Thomas Wright, who served on occasion as the OIC (Officer in Charge) of Kerry's boat group, contradicts that claim. Wright reports that he "had a lot of trouble getting Kerry to follow orders," and that those who worked with Kerry found him "oriented towards his personal, rather than unit goals and objectives." He therefore requested that Kerry be removed from his boat group. After John Kerry qualified for his third Purple Heart, Thomas Wright and two fellow officers informed him of the obscure regulation, and told him to go home. Wright concluded, "We knew how the system worked and we didn’t want him in Coastal Division 11."

Constructing a complete picture of Kerry's service is difficult due to gaps in the Naval records provided by the Kerry campaign. These gaps include missing and incomplete fitness reports, missing medical records and missing records related to his medal awards.

For this reason we call upon Senator Kerry to authorize complete access to all his military records by filing a standard Form 180, a simple two-page release form.

Swift Vets and POWs for Truth is in the process of researching John Kerry's time in Vietnam by conducting interviews with eyewitnesses to his activities, and we plan to add material to this section over the next several weeks as it becomes available. We will report the true circumstances of Kerry's medal awards and injuries, describe other controversial missions, and provide in-depth analysis of his fitness reports.


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http://www.swiftvets.com/index.php?topic=KerryinVietnam
The Swiftboat Veterans were debunked as crackpot rightwing nuts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_Boat_Veterans_for_Truth

The people that were on the same missions as Kerry characterize those Swiftboater allegations as: Garbage, totally false and a pack of lies.


Of those who served in Kerry's boat crew, only Stephen Gardner joined SBVT.[18] He was not present on any of the occasions when Kerry won his medals, including his Purple Hearts. Gardner appeared in two of the group's television advertisements.

All other living members of Kerry's crew supported his presidential bid, and some frequently campaigned with him as his self-described "band of brothers". Kerry crew members have disputed some of SBVT's various allegations: "totally false" (Drew Whitlow), "garbage" (Gene Thorson), and "a pack of lies" (Del Sandusky).[19][20][21]

No members of SBVT were aboard Kerry's boat during any of the incidents for which he was decorated. The only member of SBVT who was present at the Silver Star incident, Rood's crew member Larry Clayton Lee, praised Kerry's tactics and stated that he earned his Silver Star. However, he stated that based on discussions with
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_Boat_Veterans_for_Truth


Coach, it would seem that you believe these scoundrels b/c you want to believe them.  It makes you feel good that you can call your political opponent a cowardly traitor.

It's a hell of alot easier to call someone a coward and a traitor to his country than to go over the merits of his ideas.

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Re: GM CEO resigns at Obama's behest
« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2009, 09:10:47 AM »
Yes, wikipedia.....a great source where anyone can go in and edit. Much better than taking the word of the people who served beside him.

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Re: GM CEO resigns at Obama's behest
« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2009, 09:23:58 AM »
Yes, wikipedia.....a great source where anyone can go in and edit. Much better than taking the word of the people who served beside him.

It is more factual than a band of bushite zombies telling lies just to keep Dubya in the  White house.

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Re: GM CEO resigns at Obama's behest
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2009, 09:24:37 AM »
Yes siree..  Obama kicking ass and handing out pink slips.

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Re: GM CEO resigns at Obama's behest
« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2009, 09:25:25 AM »
Yes, wikipedia.....a great source where anyone can go in and edit. Much better than taking the word of the people who served beside him.
hahahaha.  You're right.  I'll take the SwiftBoaters words at face value...the way you do.

Here's the supporting players in this tragicomedy:

*The first SBVT ad was contradicted by the statements of several other veterans who observed the incidents, by the Navy's official records, and, in some instances, by the contemporaneous statements of SBVT members themselves.


*New York TImes, Washington Post and LA Times debunked their claims.  I know, those are tools of the domineering Left...the weak, flipflopping wishy washy left...who rules all media with an iron hand.

* Nightline traveled to Vietnam and interviewed Vietnamese who were involved in the battle for which Kerry was awarded the Silver Star. These witnesses disputed O'Neill's charge that there "was little or no fire" that day; they said that the fighting was fierce.

More debunking by the left wing NIghtline.

*ABC News's The Note opined, "the Swift Boat ad and their primary charges about Kerry's medals are personal, negative, extremely suspect, or false




But we'll use your standard for truth - the words of the SwiftBoaters themselves:

More recently, an early member of the group, Steve Hayes, stated that he came to believe that the group was twisting Kerry's record, and broke with the group and voted for Kerry. Hayes told the New York Times:

The mantra was just 'We want to set the record straight,' Mr. Hayes said this month. It became clear to me that it was morphing from an organization to set the record straight into a highly political vendetta. They knew it was not the truth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_Boat_Veterans_for_Truth#Truth_of_allegations


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Re: GM CEO resigns at Obama's behest
« Reply #32 on: March 30, 2009, 09:34:30 AM »
Yes siree..  Obama kicking ass and handing out pink slips.

Just like the dictator you hoped him to be all along.

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Re: GM CEO resigns at Obama's behest
« Reply #33 on: March 30, 2009, 09:38:13 AM »
Just like the dictator you hoped him to be all along.
Obama is a dictator b/c he asked someone to step down from a job in a failing company that's highly subsidized with tax dollars?


I don't get it.  Why the 'dictator' talk? 

Just b/c you didn't vote for him doesn't make his efforts as president dictatorial.

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Re: GM CEO resigns at Obama's behest
« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2009, 09:39:44 AM »
Obama is a dictator b/c he asked someone to step down from a job in a failing company that's highly subsidized with tax dollars?


I don't get it.  Why the 'dictator' talk? 

Just b/c you didn't vote for him doesn't make his efforts as president dictatorial.

Why didnt he do the same for the banks who took TARP money??????

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« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2009, 09:53:20 AM »
Obama is a dictator b/c he asked someone to step down from a job in a failing company that's highly subsidized with tax dollars?


I don't get it.  Why the 'dictator' talk? 

Just b/c you didn't vote for him doesn't make his efforts as president dictatorial.

Because he has nothing else to fall back on with his constant whining.

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Re: GM CEO resigns at Obama's behest
« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2009, 09:55:31 AM »
Just like the dictator you hoped him to be all along.

Yes siree... Obama letting the riff raff know who is in charge around here. 

He's got a whole lot more rules to throw down on everyone too. 

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Re: GM CEO resigns at Obama's behest
« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2009, 10:10:16 AM »
Because he has nothing else to fall back on with his constant whining.

Again, why didnt ZERO demand the CEO's of the Banks resign???

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Re: GM CEO resigns at Obama's behest
« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2009, 10:21:14 AM »
John Kerry in I think 1971 shit on our military in a public interview. I'll find it.

So you believe John kerry is a traitor, joe? 

Do you have the guts to come out and say it, as you did before?

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Re: GM CEO resigns at Obama's behest
« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2009, 10:21:43 AM »
Again, why didnt ZERO demand the CEO's of the Banks resign???

So you believe he was correct in ousting the GM CEO?

(and you'd like to see more of this?)

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Re: GM CEO resigns at Obama's behest
« Reply #40 on: March 30, 2009, 10:26:30 AM »
So you believe he was correct in ousting the GM CEO?

(and you'd like to see more of this?)

No, I think ZERO, who never had a real job in his life, should not be telling companies how to run their businesses.

If these companies are not viable, let them go out of business. 

ZERO, again who never held a job or changed a tire in his life, has no idea how to run a car company.

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« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2009, 10:32:15 AM »
No, I think ZERO, who never had a real job in his life, should not be telling companies how to run their businesses.

If these companies are not viable, let them go out of business. 

ZERO, again who never held a job or changed a tire in his life, has no idea how to run a car company.

So you advocate destroying the US Economy by letting GM fail on it's own?

This will, of course, put millions out of work, and will shatter confidence in US domestic car market. 

Obama telling us he is personally guaranteeing we'll still be able to get parts for GM cars and that our warranties will be good is helping the economy.

Remember, a LOT of other industries fail if GM does.  All he is saying is - I'm going to save this firm to save the US economy - but the dipshit running it into the ground for 4 years - you gotta go.

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« Reply #42 on: March 30, 2009, 10:33:51 AM »
So you advocate destroying the US Economy by letting GM fail on it's own?

This will, of course, put millions out of work, and will shatter confidence in US domestic car market. 

Obama telling us he is personally guaranteeing we'll still be able to get parts for GM cars and that our warranties will be good is helping the economy.

Remember, a LOT of other industries fail if GM does.  All he is saying is - I'm going to save this firm to save the US economy - but the dipshit running it into the ground for 4 years - you gotta go.

The only thing he is "guarenteeing: in bankrupcy for the USA. 

Where does this nonsense end?

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« Reply #43 on: March 30, 2009, 10:34:55 AM »
The only thing he is "guarenteeing: in bankrupcy for the USA. 

Where does this nonsense end?

So yes, or no, 333386?

Should President Obama let GM fail?  Yes or no?

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« Reply #44 on: March 30, 2009, 10:35:58 AM »
So yes, or no, 333386?

Should President Obama let GM fail?  Yes or no?

Yes. 




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Re: GM CEO resigns at Obama's behest
« Reply #45 on: March 30, 2009, 10:40:20 AM »
Yes. 

If GM fails, then the suppliers will also fail - which in turn will cause Chrysler and Ford (who use the same domestic suppliers) to also fail.

So, even if it means the suppliers, several cities, and the other Big Two faile - we should still allow GM to fail?

yes or no, 333386?

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« Reply #46 on: March 30, 2009, 10:51:29 AM »
If GM fails, then the suppliers will also fail - which in turn will cause Chrysler and Ford (who use the same domestic suppliers) to also fail.

So, even if it means the suppliers, several cities, and the other Big Two faile - we should still allow GM to fail?

yes or no, 333386?

Yes. 

I will tell you why, the way things are going, this will be just another govt agency. 

They need to scrap all the union work rules, get rid of the UAW, get rid of the EPA MPG regs etc and produce products that people will buy at a price they can pay. 

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« Reply #47 on: March 30, 2009, 11:02:20 AM »
The market is tanking again...315 points.  Is this in responce to GM?  Usually when the market reacts this much, it is an acute responce.

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Re: GM CEO resigns at Obama's behest
« Reply #48 on: March 30, 2009, 11:05:09 AM »
240, an organized, gov assisted bankrupcy is not a complete failure as you suggest.  The gov should be involved but GM should not receive more of our $ without a restructuring.  These bailouts cannot go on forever.  This is why we shouldn't have started in the first place.

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« Reply #49 on: March 30, 2009, 11:06:03 AM »
The market is tanking again...315 points.  Is this in responce to GM?  Usually when the market reacts this much, it is an acute responce.

This is such garbage.  GM makes good trucks and there are two things I would buy with confidence from GM

1.  Corvette
2.  Tahoe/Denali/Escalade

We need to get the company to able to sell more of these vehicles since those are perceived as quality vehicles people wants.  

The rest is just garbage from politicians.