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Re: US Religious Right Concedes Defeat
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2009, 11:27:17 AM »
They don't care as long as they "get their God on".



Whatever it is, its juvenile, moronic, and a detriment to overall public discourse.

Serious, abortion and gay marriage are but two issues, there are dozens of others that are more important and pressing to me. 

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Re: US Religious Right Concedes Defeat
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2009, 02:47:28 AM »
Once again, we have a classic case of a far-left media outlet from the UK, running an article, without stating the FULL CONTEXT of the statement.

Your a fucking idiot...The Telegraph is widely known to be the mouthpiece of the Tory Party in Britain...pro church of england, pro military, pro small government, low taxes, pro israel, hardline on Northern Ireland...jeez the list goes on

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Re: US Religious Right Concedes Defeat
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2009, 06:36:41 AM »
Clearly Dobson feels defeated and admits total failure (thus far) in the culture war that exists mostly inside his head.

He states that the religious right has lost all their "battles" and the war ain't looking too good either.




First, this culture war hardly exists merely in Dobson's head.

Second, you again fail to read the rest of Dobson’s statement. If that weren't enough, Dobson was on "Hannity" last night and his statements were anything but that of someone who "condeded" defeat. Dobson pointed what I mentioned yesterday, on the marriage issue, namely that 30 states have passed marriage amendments, clearly defining marriage as a 1M-1W union.

As for "the war ain't looking too good, either", again Dr. Dobson basically reiterated what I said yesterday. The 2006 and 2008 elections have put a damper on conservative issues. But, that can be flipped in one or two elections. Just as the Dems rebounded in '06 after taking a beating in '04, the GOP can do the same in '10 or '12.

Your a fucking idiot...The Telegraph is widely known to be the mouthpiece of the Tory Party in Britain...pro church of england, pro military, pro small government, low taxes, pro israel, hardline on Northern Ireland...jeez the list goes on

far left media outlet...you make me laugh, shows how warped you christians really are...bunch of brainwashed fools 

Few things are more comical here than someone, who bombed basic GRADE-SCHOOL grammar and English, calling someone else an “idiot”.

The point you missed by a country mile, genius, is that this paper incorrectly used Dobson's words. Neither he nor the "religious right" conceded any defeat. How does one concede defeat when he uses the words, "we are not going to give up now"?


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Re: US Religious Right Concedes Defeat
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2009, 06:41:21 AM »
Whatever it is, its juvenile, moronic, and a detriment to overall public discourse.

Serious, abortion and gay marriage are but two issues, there are dozens of others that are more important and pressing to me. 

Indeed, and the "religious right" and other conservatives like Dr. Dobson address those issues. But, the only time he and other "religious right" leaders tend to make the press is when the two aforementioned issues are cited.



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Re: US Religious Right Concedes Defeat
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2009, 06:44:21 AM »
Indeed, and the "religious right" and other conservatives like Dr. Dobson address those issues. But, the only time he and other "religious right" leaders tend to make the press is when the two aforementioned issues are cited.




They certainly dont come across that way. 

I find that the "religious right" are far to eager to get the govt involved in my life in far too many ways whether it be internet censorship, etc.

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Re: US Religious Right Concedes Defeat
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2009, 06:47:42 AM »
They certainly dont come across that way. 

I find that the "religious right" are far to eager to get the govt involved in my life in far too many ways whether it be internet censorship, etc.

Yes well, the religious right is RARELY libertarian in its leanings...
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Re: US Religious Right Concedes Defeat
« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2009, 06:50:28 AM »
Yes well, the religious right is RARELY libertarian in its leanings...

Its ridiculous.  The "religious right" are phonies.  They make me want to puke. 



 

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Re: US Religious Right Concedes Defeat
« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2009, 06:56:04 AM »
Its ridiculous.  The "religious right" are phonies.  They make me want to puke. 



 

The religious right has a lot in common with the irreligious left; they both want to run your lives; thank Zeus for LIBERTARIANISM.
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Re: US Religious Right Concedes Defeat
« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2009, 06:56:42 AM »
The religious right has a lot in common with the irreligious left; they both want to run your lives; thank Zeus for LIBERTARIANISM.

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Re: US Religious Right Concedes Defeat
« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2009, 07:41:21 AM »
They certainly dont come across that way. 

I find that the "religious right" are far to eager to get the govt involved in my life in far too many ways whether it be internet censorship, etc.

It ain’t the “religious right” letting people off the hook for peddling kiddie porn (or trying to legalize "sexting" ala Vermont), canceling school vouchers (forcing inner-city kids to go back to crappy public schools), or enacting measures that undermine parents’ authority over their children.

Those are some of the issues that Dobson and others have battled for years. But, again, that hardly gets the press that their opposition to abortion and gay “marriage” do.

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Re: US Religious Right Concedes Defeat
« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2009, 07:52:30 AM »
The "sexting" does not bother me so much in that I dont want 16 year olds being classified as sexual predators if they send each other a naked pictures of themselves. 

Its stupid, immoral, and immature, but a 16 y/o should not have his/her life ruined for it.

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Re: US Religious Right Concedes Defeat
« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2009, 08:56:15 AM »
The "sexting" does not bother me so much in that I dont want 16 year olds being classified as sexual predators if they send each other a naked pictures of themselves. 

Its stupid, immoral, and immature, but a 16 y/o should not have his/her life ruined for it.

The act isn't any less egregious  simply because of the age of the perpetrator. In fact, that's part of the problem. Kids aren't going to be deterred from doing it, if they know there's no consequence for their actions.


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Re: US Religious Right Concedes Defeat
« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2009, 08:59:42 AM »
The act isn't any less egregious  simply because of the age of the perpetrator. In fact, that's part of the problem. Kids aren't going to be deterred from doing it, if they know there's no consequence for their actions.



Labeling someone a sexual predator for this is insanity and police state.   Once this is on their record, its there for life. 

I simply cannot understand how a "religious" person could ever support laws that punish people for life where no victims are involved. 

Like I said, just because it is immoral does mean it should be illegal.

I am not in favor of granting the govt all these powers. 

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« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2009, 09:00:33 AM »
It ain’t the “religious right” letting people off the hook for peddling kiddie porn (or trying to legalize "sexting" ala Vermont), canceling school vouchers (forcing inner-city kids to go back to crappy public schools), or enacting measures that undermine parents’ authority over their children.

Those are some of the issues that Dobson and others have battled for years. But, again, that hardly gets the press that their opposition to abortion and gay “marriage” do.


The problem is, you guys love to tell others what to do, that's the real problem, never mind your stupid religious beliefs.
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Re: US Religious Right Concedes Defeat
« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2009, 09:02:30 AM »
The Republicans would be best off if they would cut their ties with the Religious Right.

Then they would be an alternative for so many more voters that get turned off by the moral conservatism.

A lot of the activists that today support the Democrats on the issues of Gay Rights and the Abortion issue alone, would re-think their party affiliation.


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Re: US Religious Right Concedes Defeat
« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2009, 09:03:20 AM »
Labeling someone a sexual predator for this is insanity and police state.   Once this is on their record, its there for life. 

I simply cannot understand how a "religious" person could ever support laws that punish people for life where no victims are involved. 

Like I said, just because it is immoral does mean it should be illegal.

I am not in favor of granting the govt all these powers. 

My fellow NYCer, the religious are obsessed with nonexistent crimes what wise people call victimless crimes. Believe it or not, they are even worse than leftists in telling you what you are supposed to do with your life...
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Re: US Religious Right Concedes Defeat
« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2009, 09:05:43 AM »
The Republicans would be best off if they would cut their ties with the Religious Right.

Then they would be an alternative for so many more voters that get turned off by the moral conservatism.

A lot of the activists that today support the Democrats on the issues of Gay Rights and the Abortion issue alone, would re-think their party affiliation.




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Re: US Religious Right Concedes Defeat
« Reply #42 on: April 15, 2009, 09:08:24 AM »
My fellow NYCer, the religious are obsessed with nonexistent crimes what wise people call victimless crimes. Believe it or not, they are even worse than leftists in telling you what you are supposed to do with your life...

Where does this moralizing end from both sides???

The far left and religious right just cant stop.  They cant leave people alone.  Its like an addiction they have to telling everyone what do and how to live all the time.  

Its sickening.

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There seems to be no end to these people trying to tell everyone what to do, how to live, what to buy, what to sell, what to watch, what to eat, what to read, what to listen to, who to marry, what guns I can and cant buy, etc etc.

    

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Re: US Religious Right Concedes Defeat
« Reply #43 on: April 15, 2009, 09:10:52 AM »
Where does this moralizing end from both sides???

The far left and religious right just cant stop.  They cant leave people alone.  Its like an addiction they have to telling everyone what do and how to live all the time.  

Its sickening.

Stay out of my bedroom
Stay out of my wallet
Stay out of Ipod
Stay out of car


There seems to be no end to these people trying to tell everyone what to do, how to live, what to buy, what to sell, what to watch, what to eat, what to read, what to listen to, who to marry, what guns I can and cant buy, etc etc.

    

Preaching to the choir my friend. A lot of things would be a lot simpler if people just lived by the credo of live and let live and do whatever you want as long as you're not hurting anybody else, live your own life, etc...I think the future of the US could be libertarianism...
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Re: US Religious Right Concedes Defeat
« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2009, 09:51:58 AM »
Few things are more comical here than someone, who bombed basic GRADE-SCHOOL grammar and English, calling someone else an “idiot”.

The point you missed by a country mile, genius, is that this paper incorrectly used Dobson's words. Neither he nor the "religious right" conceded any defeat. How does one concede defeat when he uses the words, "we are not going to give up now"?


yeah the way people write on internet posting boards is indicative of their grammar skills...

in all fairness i think you missed the point...i dont actually care if the paper used his words incorrectly or not, and thats not what i was hauling you up for. I merely pointed out how little you know about the media...which i think you will admit is true if you call the telegraph, 'far left media'

if you have an interesting point to make try harder than pulling me up on my internet grammar since i do actually write for a living

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Re: US Religious Right Concedes Defeat
« Reply #45 on: April 15, 2009, 12:02:40 PM »
Labeling someone a sexual predator for this is insanity and police state.   Once this is on their record, its there for life.

That’s too bad. Maybe, they ought to think twice before they do something stupid like sending pictures of themselves (or other people naked). The naked pictures in cyberspace are there, for life, too.

A great deal of this “sexting” involved kids sending pictures of other kids. There are cases where a jilted guy decided to get back as his ex-girlfriend by firing naked pictures of the girl (which she sent exclusively to him) to all his buddies. There’s no erasing that.




I simply cannot understand how a "religious" person could ever support laws that punish people for life where no victims are involved. 

The victims are the people themselves. We've seen FAR too many examples of how sexually explicit pictures have come back to haunt people years after the fact. If you don't believe, just ask former Ms. America, Vanessa Williams.

Teachers have been fired for their porno flicks/pics, done years ago but brought to the surface.

No victims involved? I beg to differ.

From a "religious" perspective, harming yourself is just as bad as harming someone else. From a not-so-“religious” perspective, if you would bring harm to yourself, you’d be more likely to harm another.


Like I said, just because it is immoral does mean it should be illegal.

I am not in favor of granting the govt all these powers. 

Maybe not! But something needs to be done about things like this and done quickly.

The problem is, you guys love to tell others what to do, that's the real problem, never mind your stupid religious beliefs.

So do “you guys”, never mind your stupid non-religious beliefs.

My fellow NYCer, the religious are obsessed with nonexistent crimes what wise people call victimless crimes. Believe it or not, they are even worse than leftists in telling you what you are supposed to do with your life...

PLEASE!!! Why don't you take a good look at your non-religious buddies who have heart attacks every December, when they see a Nativity scene. Who else get this bent out of shape about someone they DON'T believe to exist?

Then, there are those lovely lawsuits about our Pledge of Allegiance. Apparently two words (referencing Mr. Allegedly non-existent) have scarred their poor enlightened pysches beyond repair.

Preaching to the choir my friend. A lot of things would be a lot simpler if people just lived by the credo of live and let live and do whatever you want as long as you're not hurting anybody else, live your own life, etc...I think the future of the US could be libertarianism...

That silly mantra doesn't quite work out as planned in the real world, because at some point, "do whatever you want" takes precedence over "as long as you're not hurting anybody else", notwithstanding how easily people can be "hurt" these days (I refer you again to those pyschologically-wounded atheists) and harming one's self is just as detrimental as harming someone else.

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Re: US Religious Right Concedes Defeat
« Reply #46 on: April 15, 2009, 12:08:29 PM »
yeah the way people write on internet posting boards is indicative of their grammar skills...

in all fairness i think you missed the point...i dont actually care if the paper used his words incorrectly or not, and thats not what i was hauling you up for. I merely pointed out how little you know about the media...which i think you will admit is true if you call the telegraph, 'far left media'

if you have an interesting point to make try harder than pulling me up on my internet grammar since i do actually write for a living

You get paid to write for a living; yet, you mix up the pronoun “your” for the word “you’re”, a contraction of the words, “you are”.

ALLLRIGHTY, THEN!!!!

My point was already made. But, in case you missed it, Dr. James Dobson DID NOT (on behalf of himself, Focus on the Family, or the “religious right”) concede defeat, regarding the cultural issues of this country. He did not do so, in his statement to FOTF nor on his appearance on “Hannity” last night.

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Re: US Religious Right Concedes Defeat
« Reply #47 on: April 15, 2009, 12:22:10 PM »
The Republicans would be best off if they would cut their ties with the Religious Right.

Funny!!! Nobody was saying that in 2004, when Bush got re-elected. In fact, the "Religious Right" got blamed for his second term.

Besides, as the saying in the South goes, "You dance with the one that brung ya!!!" That segment is what got the GOP in power in the first place.

They may not win with them; but they WILL NOT WIN without them, bottom line.

Then they would be an alternative for so many more voters that get turned off by the moral conservatism.

A lot of the activists that today support the Democrats on the issues of Gay Rights and the Abortion issue alone, would re-think their party affiliation.

You forget that a good number of the "Religious Right" actually voted for Obama, largely because they were (a) quite unimpressed with John McCain and (b) mad at the GOP for not delivering on its campaign promises.



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Re: US Religious Right Concedes Defeat
« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2009, 04:57:59 PM »
First, this culture war hardly exists merely in Dobson's head.

Second, you again fail to read the rest of Dobson’s statement. If that weren't enough, Dobson was on "Hannity" last night and his statements were anything but that of someone who "condeded" defeat. Dobson pointed what I mentioned yesterday, on the marriage issue, namely that 30 states have passed marriage amendments, clearly defining marriage as a 1M-1W union.

As for "the war ain't looking too good, either", again Dr. Dobson basically reiterated what I said yesterday. The 2006 and 2008 elections have put a damper on conservative issues. But, that can be flipped in one or two elections. Just as the Dems rebounded in '06 after taking a beating in '04, the GOP can do the same in '10 or '12.

yes the "culture war" exists mostly inside the skulls of the religious right who feel that what they value is somehow being attacked. 

The majority of secular society (even those that are religious or spiritual) just don't give a shit.....at least not beyond the fact that we have to deal with religious wack jobs who are trying to impose their values on the rest of society.

Look at it this way,  secular society was and is perfectly fine allowing freedom of religious expression.   It's the religious right who has the problem with the rest of the country not adopting their beliefs.   

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Re: US Religious Right Concedes Defeat
« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2009, 05:17:49 PM »
yes the "culture war" exists mostly inside the skulls of the religious right who feel that what they value is somehow being attacked. 

The majority of secular society (even those that are religious or spiritual) just don't give a shit.....at least not beyond the fact that we have to deal with religious wack jobs who are trying to impose their values on the rest of society.

Look at it this way,  secular society was and is perfectly fine allowing freedom of religious expression.   It's the religious right who has the problem with the rest of the country not adopting their beliefs.   

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