Attainable physique? New Zealand pro Michael Kingsnorth.

[ManBearPig...]

every day I question why I stay natural

you look good enough for a natural there, stud.

[gh15]

Please post the cycles that I would have to run to look like him.

Thanks.

legit gh 4-8units a day
testosterone 1 gram a week


6 months and you look like this if you build some foundation before you started the juice ,,,the pecs are genetic yet the arms are too ,,he got very good pecs but weak arms,,

in general the basic should be what i outlined

gh15 approved

[DK II]

you look good enough for a natural there, stud.

Yes, good natural physique there, i think about 65% of getbigger look like that.

[PROmrnewzealand]

Firstly the fact that you guys are even talking about me is very flattering, I wouldn't have even known if someone hadn't emailed me privately, so thank you, sincerely.

legit gh 4-8units a day
testosterone 1 gram a week

...the pecs are genetic yet the arms are too ,,he got very good pecs but weak arms,,

in general the basic should be what i outlined

gh15 approved

as we (sarcastically) say down here....Yeah Right.

GH Free zone here, the amounts you are talking would run to around $2000 a week, at the time of these pics, I was working 6 days, paying two mortgages, getting my wife pregnant raising a son, and earning about $60k a year, I'd love to have $2k a week to blow, but it wouldn't be on GH, there are better toys in this world.

As to the arms, your spot on, although I don't see how my strong chest (I'm actually piss weak on chest movements) negatively effects my bis, could be my strong back instead (I can bent row a house, I can only bench press the dog house)

A pic from the Aussie Pro show, where I got 12th (out of 15, and was VERY happy)

Keep training hard guys,
thanks,

Mike

[gh15]

legit gh 4-8units a day
testosterone 1 gram a week

more aas used for show


you younger fellas and less femiliar professionals  are making me laugh always think you can stuff your 2-3 sentecnes of but i didnt do this and tdidnt do that ,,,
my friend,, stop the bullcrap most of the kids here know bodybuilding and many professional and top amatuer read yoru shit so dotn spit on their face ,,

putting yruo wife pregnant,,really? wow this is some serious job you did ,,100 guys get their girls prego every day on enourmous doses of hormones,,stop putting all yruo so called achievments of life in a thread discusing your use of hormones,,and yoru use of hormones is  BIG PART OF YOUR LIFE

in your case in particular no hormones = no nothing = 170lb soaking wet at 15-20%

gh15 approved

[QuakerOats]

Firstly the fact that you guys are even talking about me is very flattering, I wouldn't have even known if someone hadn't emailed me privately, so thank you, sincerely.

as we (sarcastically) say down here....Yeah Right.

GH Free zone here, the amounts you are talking would run to around $2000 a week, at the time of these pics, I was working 6 days, paying two mortgages, getting my wife pregnant raising a son, and earning about $60k a year, I'd love to have $2k a week to blow, but it wouldn't be on GH, there are better toys in this world.

As to the arms, your spot on, although I don't see how my strong chest (I'm actually piss weak on chest movements) negatively effects my bis, could be my strong back instead (I can bent row a house, I can only bench press the dog house)

A pic from the Aussie Pro show, where I got 12th (out of 15, and was VERY happy)

Keep training hard guys,
thanks,

Mike

you're not claiming to be totally natural though are you?

[PROmrnewzealand]

Yes, good natural physique there, i think about 65% of getbigger look like that.

of course they do....this is the other 35%, a few guys I was hanging around with one day



Hey GH15, not looking to get into any argument with you, but what happened to your spelling...did I make you angry.

Firstly....young guy? thank you, I'm 37.

Secondly, getting my wife pregnant has nothing to do with AAS, just a celebration of our love..and a funny point about how much work I was doing ie job, bills etc like the rest of you in the real world do- there is this misconception that Pros sit in the gym all day training, eating and nothing else because of sponsorship - at the time I had no sponsors and paid my own way, your reading way too much into it.

Thirdly, as Matt early posted, I've never claimed natural status, my philosophy is ANYONE who has taken ANYTHING banned is NEVER a NATURAL, I've taken ephidrine products since I was 15 for my sinuses, of which I have had CT Scans to figure out why they are a problem, so I, by my own opinion, can never claim natural status on that fact alone.

I was merely pointing out that the GH claims you made about me were wildly inaccurate, my point emphasied by the cost of it in NZ, which it is likely you were unaware of.

Hope you understand where I was coming from there, just clearing up your misinformation.

you're not claiming to be totally natural though are you?

Never have, as above.

[QuakerOats]

of course they do....this is the other 35%, a few guys I was hanging around with one day



Hey GH15, not looking to get into any argument with you, but what happened to your spelling...did I make you angry.

Firstly....young guy? thank you, I'm 37.

Secondly, getting my wife pregnant has nothing to do with AAS, just a celebration of our love..and a funny point about how much work I was doing ie job, bills etc like the rest of you in the real world do- there is this misconception that Pros sit in the gym all day training, eating and nothing else because of sponsorship - at the time I had no sponsors and paid my own way, your reading way too much into it.

Thirdly, as Matt early posted, I've never claimed natural status, my philosophy is ANYONE who has taken ANYTHING banned is NEVER a NATURAL, I've taken ephidrine products since I was 15 for my sinuses, of which I have had CT Scans to figure out why they are a problem, so I, by my own opinion, can never claim natural status on that fact alone.

I was merely pointing out that the GH claims you made about me were wildly inaccurate, my point emphasied by the cost of it in NZ, which it is likely you were unaware of.

Hope you understand where I was coming from there, just clearing up your misinformation.

Never have, as above.

ok just making sure, you look great though.

[PROmrnewzealand]

in your case in particular no hormones = no nothing = 170lb soaking wet at 15-20%

gh15 approved


stop putting all yruo so called achievments of life in a thread discusing your use of hormones

Thought you'd like this one too, 2006, about 91kg (200lbs) a few weeks out, and passing IOC drug tests, came in about 4%.
If there is one thing I can do well in this sport, it's get ripped, putting on weight- thats another story.

I thought it was a thread about my attainable physique?

[Method101]

GH15 foils another juicer! good job nasser.

gh15 approved.

[Deicide]

Thought you'd like this one too, 2006, about 91kg (200lbs) a few weeks out, and passing IOC drug tests, came in about 4%.
If there is one thing I can do well in this sport, it's get ripped, putting on weight- thats another story.

Your venison is tasty.

[PROmrnewzealand]

GH15 foils another juicer! good job nasser.

gh15 approved.

Not feeling very foiled here, this is a quote of mine from a thread about a year ago.

Really I can't overestimate the value of food, I used to eat 6-7 meals a day (I include shakes with that) and when my nutritionalist put me onto 8 a day I found it a real struggle for weeks.  Eating enough food, in the off season CONSISTANTLY (as in everyday of the week for more than 6 months in a row) has always been a real struggle for me. 
                            But when I looked at who I was up against, I stuck with it, and soon enough instead of it being a chore to eat every two hours when I wasn't really hungry and having to force it, it got to be annoying having to wait that long, now I have a shake in the middle of the night when i get up to go to the toilet. Shortly I'm having a 5 week break from training but can't wait to get back to eating 8 meals a day (and one in the middle of the night)...bearing in mind the great results I got in the past year were on 7 meals a day.

So the real "secret" is that even though eating that often is hard, eventually the body adapts and it wants it.

Also, when the food is changed to lower carb, lean diet food, it becomes a thermogenic property, i would start sweating profusely half an hour after a meal- which wasn't to good when I was working in retail, now I'm back in corporate, it'll be ok- airconditioned office, just hope I don't fart too much

Serioulsy as a fat burner, chicken breast is good shit

As for natural, I never used those words, in my opinion (and it's just mine) anyone who has taken anything on the banned list isn't natural, gee, I medically been using my share of Ephidrine products from long before I picked up a weight for hayfever, so would never call myself that, I wouldn't like anyone else too regarding me either.

[tbombz]

Michael are you saying the only drug you have ever used is ephedrine, and thats the only reason you cant be considered a natural?

[PROmrnewzealand]

Michael are you saying the only drug you have ever used is ephedrine, and thats the only reason you cant be considered a natural?

Not at all, just using it as an example, the reason I refer to it is because I was taking it before I started BB-and have conitnued to as required, except when I was in the testing programme for 18 months- a very painful time having to sleep in a sitting position frequently and using euculyptus inhalations to ease the sinuses- AND THEN THEY GO AND REMOVE IT FROM THE LIST!!!!!!!, and wanted to highlight that my philosophy (which is my own and I am aware that others have a different viewpoint) means that the term "natural" is widely misused as both a paper badge of honour and a scam.

I just don't want to be tarred with either brush, so ask that I never be called natural.

[gh15]

Thought you'd like this one too, 2006, about 91kg (200lbs) a few weeks out, and passing IOC drug tests, came in about 4%.
If there is one thing I can do well in this sport, it's get ripped, putting on weight- thats another story.

I thought it was a thread about my attainable physique?

you gotta be out of your mind ,,i can not believe to what im reading in this posgins in this thread,,do you know how shipments we makde to new zeland and aussie on a regular month? we move through your customs more drug than the salary you did in the last year ,,in a month!

now you come here say ephedrine??? you are HORMONIZED TO THE ABOLUTR MAXIMUS MAX MY FRIEND

YOU USE EXACTLY WHAT I SAID AND IM GIVING YOU A BIG BIG BREAK HERE BECAUE YOU USE A LOT MORE

1 GRAM TEST
SINGLE DIGITS DOSES OF HGH  4-8 UNITS

AND A LOT! MORE THAN THAT BUT THIS IS YOUR BASICS

AS I SAID BEFORE...YOU GO OFF FOR 2 YEARS YOU ARE BACK AT 170LB AT 15% AND YOU CAN TRAIN MORNING TO NIGHT AND EAT CLEAN FOR EVER IT WONT HELP,,,YOUR GENETIC RESPOND TO HORMONES IS AT A MEDIATE LEEVEL FOR A PROFESSIONAL THUS YOU CANT COMPETE AND PLACE WELL AGSINT MANY OF US,,,BUT! ITS NOT A REASON FOR YOU TO COME HERE AND BULL THOSE KIDS,,

MANY HERE ARE PROFESSIONALS AND TOP AMARUERS MY FRIEND! AND MANY HERE ONLY I REAPEAT ONLY MAKE MONEY OUT OF BODYBUILDING ,,,AND THAT IS IT ,,,

pasing drug test,,you are seriously pathetic,,i have 10 guys every year paying 1000s of dollars for products that lie to the lie detector in wada competitioon in america ,,also many who just know their body and know when to take and when to stop and when to start retaking,,dont play a fool


gh15 approved

[gh15]

in addition friends,, just so you understand the severety of the problem! we also sell masking agents! i can not and will not name the produicts becaue the naturals pay A LOT OF MONEY FOR THOSE AND I STILL LOVE TO TAKE YOUR MONEY so we keep it at this,,

you have many bodybuilders that will put as much money in the maskign agent as they put in the hormones they buy!

gh15 approved

[OneManGang]

in addition friends,, just so you understand the severety of the problem! we also sell masking agents! i can not and will not name the produicts becaue the naturals pay A LOT OF MONEY FOR THOSE AND I STILL LOVE TO TAKE YOUR MONEY so we keep it at this,,

you have many bodybuilders that will put as much money in the maskign agent as they put in the hormones they buy!

gh15 approved

You are a drug dealer and you claim that any good physique is a product of drug abuse. You are as credible as McDonalds when they claim to sell "great" burgers.

[tbombz]

any good physique is a product of drug abuse.

no, only big ripped overly muscular physiques

he has said many people are natural who have great physiques

[nzmusclemonster]

you gotta be out of your mind ,,i can not believe to what im reading in this posgins in this thread,,do you know how shipments we makde to new zeland and aussie on a regular month? we move through your customs more drug than the salary you did in the last year ,,in a month!

Probably the most ridiculous thing you have ever said.

[PROmrnewzealand]

no, only big ripped overly muscular physiques

he has said many people are natural who have great physiques

absolutely, some of the greatest phsyiques I've seen and the greatest athletes in my opinion are the Male Olympic gymnasts.
Some of the big Pacific Island boys down here huge with 18+ inch arms and don't train, that is a very common site in Auckland.

[PROmrnewzealand]

you gotta be out of your mind ....YOU USE EXACTLY WHAT I SAID AND IM GIVING YOU A BIG BIG BREAK HERE BECAUE YOU USE A LOT MORE

1 GRAM TEST
SINGLE DIGITS DOSES OF HGH  4-8 UNITS

AND A LOT! MORE THAN THAT BUT THIS IS YOUR BASICS.....COME HERE AND BULL THOSE KIDS,,

MANY HERE ARE PROFESSIONALS AND TOP AMARUERS MY FRIEND! AND MANY HERE ONLY I REAPEAT ONLY MAKE MONEY OUT OF BODYBUILDING ,,,AND THAT IS IT ,,,

pasing drug test,,you are seriously pathetic,,i have 10 guys every year paying 1000s of dollars for products that lie to the lie detector in wada competitioon in america ,,also many who just know their body and know when to take and when to stop and when to start retaking,,dont play a fool


gh15 approved

I'll spell this out nice and clear, once and only for you.

I have not taken GH nor could afford to take GH to the levels you have stated....Again, I could not afford to.

I have grown to an onstage weight of 80.5kg in 2003 to 95kg in 2008 without any GH, albeit a little softer onstage.

I have never taken a masking agent, ever and legitimately passed the 2006 IOC tests (both in and out of competition- where they knock on your door unscheduled randomly) with my own urine.

How would I know when to stop as the NZSDA performed random out of contest tests?

I have no idea about NZ customs practices or how much of anything you have sent here, but you imply that I am spending double my salary on 1/6th of all your product.....and only weigh 200lb onstage.  Is your stuff really that weak?

I do know the local price of GH because I have enquired.

I have no knowledge of people locally importing anymore (although I do know a 2 persons who used to, one legitimately under his business- which is where I got my pricing from).

On the NZBB website, those that comment do not name themselves.

I do not import any products myself and NEVER WILL.

To those "kids" who think I am BSing them, feel free to ask me anything you like in person, I offer full disclosure,

to those Pros who make a living exclusively from the sport, in NZ we have 4million people, not a market big enough to do that bar one or two people (Moe and Big Kiwi Justin), I have a regular job and am happy with that, I'm just a guy who took his hobby too far, and have been fortunate to stand along some of my idols. I have the utmost respect for all the pros, and those few that have met me and even remember me will likely attest to that. 
I know where I stand in the big picture of the sport internationally and make no claims otherwise.


Believe it....don't believe it, I can say this is the truth with honour and integrity to my children, and that is all the approval I need.


As was pointed out in the very first post....I'm no giant, and 205lbs with "all that GH" your quoting, would not be money well spent.

End of the matter from me regarding your GH statement, say what you will thereafter, get in the last word if you wish, I know its true.

Best wishes to you all,

Mike

[WillGrant]

Probably the most ridiculous thing you have ever said.

Yes , NZ customs/borders are the hardest to get gear into in the whole world hence if you look on suppliers sites alot wont even ship here and Aussie. 

[Mars]

every day I question why I stay natural

the things guys like that have to take to stay that way aint worth it imo, absolutely all drugs.

[Matt C]

Is there any way to look like Michael strictly with AAS?  I assume this is possible because there were pros in the seventies who were roughly his size who I assume did not use GH.  Please just tell me what AAS I need to run to look like him and I will run it!  I don't think I will get any bigger naturally as I have not gained anything in three years - although my strength has gone up marginally in that time.

PS - Michael is a legit 5'11.  Taller than 99.999999% of pro bodybuilders.

[WillGrant]

Is there any way to look like Michael strictly with AAS?  I assume this is possible because there were pros in the seventies who were roughly his size who I assume did not use GH.  Please just tell me what AAS I need to run to look like him and I will run it!  I don't think I will get any bigger naturally as I have not gained anything in three years - although my strength has gone up marginally in that time.

PS - Michael is a legit 5'11.  Taller than 99.999999% of pro bodybuilders.

Taking exactly what "he" takes wont make you look like him.

Everyone reacts differently to different drugs , you could take exactly the same as some guy you want to look like and not get the same results.

If its size you want test decca dbol tren anadrol are all drugs that will add muscle pretty quickly , its up to you to experiment and see what works for you .