Author Topic: Dorian Yates - What a back (Read 30903 times)

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #50 on:** June 13, 2009, 07:00:35 AM »

Quote from: Mr Nobody on June 13, 2009, 06:54:11 AM

Dorian got into his mind and ruled him.

He knows Dorian beat him , he fears Dorian , I recall at the pressconference for one of the Olympia he was posed the hypothetical question if Jay beat him on that particular year and he scoffed at the idea and when pressed he flat-out refused to even entertain the possibility of Jay beating him , it speaks volumes on how he views Yates , even after he won he concedes to this day he couldn't beat him even riddled with injuries nevermind injury free and 269 pounds

webcake · « **Reply #51 on:** June 13, 2009, 07:01:01 AM »

Mr Nobody · « **Reply #52 on:** June 13, 2009, 07:02:05 AM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 07:00:35 AM

He knows Dorian beat him , he fears Dorian , I recall at the pressconference for one of the Olympia he was posed the hypothetical question if Jay beat him on that particular year and he scoffed at the idea and when pressed he flat-out refused to even entertain the possibility of Jay beating him , it speaks volumes on how he views Yates , even after he won he concedes to this day he couldn't beat him even riddled with injuries nevermind injury free and 269 pounds

Yes in indeed Dorian rules his mind and body

Royal Lion · « **Reply #53 on:** June 13, 2009, 07:03:59 AM »

Bottom line is that Dorian beat the most competitive group of pros in their prime year in and year out. It seems that every person who has seen Dorian compete was blown away by his conditioning and his shear size.

It's tough to say who would win between a best ever Ronnie versus a best ever Dorian. Both had many stengths and some weaknesses. However, I personally think Dorian's combination of size and conditioning would create major problems for Ronnie -- for Ronnie to match Dorian's conditioning he would have to come in around 250 and would lack Dorian's size; to match Dorian's size, he would have to compete in the 280s and would lack Dorian's conditioning. Thus, I predict Dorian would win as he had the best ever combination of size and conditioning.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #54 on:** June 13, 2009, 07:04:18 AM »

Quote from: webcke on June 13, 2009, 07:01:01 AM

8 times Ronnie lost to Dorian

true

webcake · « **Reply #55 on:** June 13, 2009, 07:04:38 AM »

Royal Lion · « **Reply #56 on:** June 13, 2009, 07:05:15 AM »

Quote from: webcke on June 13, 2009, 07:01:01 AM

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Yeah, but he lost the title as a reigning Mr. O, something you cannot say about Dorian.

webcake · « **Reply #57 on:** June 13, 2009, 07:05:46 AM »

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #58 on:** June 13, 2009, 07:08:51 AM »

Quote from: Royal Lion on June 13, 2009, 07:03:59 AM

Bottom line is that Dorian beat the most competitive group of pros in their prime year in and year out. It seems that every person who has seen Dorian compete was blown away by his conditioning and his shear size.

It's tough to say who would win between a best ever Ronnie versus a best ever Dorian. Both had many stengths and some weaknesses. However, I personally think Dorian's combination of size and conditioning would create major problems for Ronnie -- for Ronnie to match Dorian's conditioning he would have to come in around 250 and would lack Dorian's size; to match Dorian's size, he would have to compete in the 280s and would lack Dorian's conditioning. Thus, I predict Dorian would win as he had the best ever combination of size and conditioning.

That's the problem right off the bat Ronnie no matter what year will never have as good as balance as Dorian , Ronnie lighter 01 ASC perhaps match him in conditioning but Dorian carries more size with equal conditioning and better balance , Ronnie bigger is softer and not as dry and right back to balance and posing & presentation , so he's in trouble either way

Ronnie has advantages over Dorian no doubts but Dorian has more advantages over him and that's why he would beat him , he simply meets ALL of the criteria better

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #59 on:** June 13, 2009, 07:10:18 AM »

Quote from: webcke on June 13, 2009, 07:05:46 AM

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8 Sandows over who? guys Dorian crushed when they were much better? not saying much Dorian's 6 over a much better field is worth more than Ronnie's 8 over ho-hum competition

Mr Nobody · « **Reply #60 on:** June 13, 2009, 07:12:44 AM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 07:08:51 AM

That's the problem right off the bat Ronnie no matter what year will never have as good as balance as Dorian , Ronnie lighter 01 ASC perhaps match him in conditioning but Dorian carries more size with equal conditioning and better balance , Ronnie bigger is softer and not as dry and right back to balance and posing & presentation , so he's in trouble either way

Ronnie has advantages over Dorian no doubts but Dorian has more advantages over him and that's why he would beat him , he simply meets ALL of the criteria better

Dorian was just a much more intense person that put more into the whole effort he was always in better condition than Ronnie and we all know the results

Royal Lion · « **Reply #61 on:** June 13, 2009, 07:17:14 AM »

Look at the overall thickness and condition displayed by Yates. Unreal.

Hulkster · « **Reply #62 on:** June 13, 2009, 07:22:27 AM »

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Ronnie bigger is softer and not as dry

ronnie at 257 still looked like an anatomy chart:

Royal Lion · « **Reply #63 on:** June 13, 2009, 07:25:01 AM »

Quote from: Hulkster on June 13, 2009, 07:22:27 AM

Ronnie is hard and dry in that shot. Conditioned for sure. However, under the same lights and at the same angle, Dorian would equal or surpass Ronnie's conditioning and would be larger. In 98/99 Ronnie didn't look that much larger than Flex.

Hulkster · « **Reply #64 on:** June 13, 2009, 07:26:37 AM »

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under the same lights and at the same angle, Dorian would equal or surpass Ronnie's conditioning

its just excuse after excuse with these idiots..

when real life shows them to be wrong, they just go down their excuses list..

$:-\$

Hulkster · « **Reply #65 on:** June 13, 2009, 07:27:53 AM »

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Ronnie is not soft nor dry in that shot.

lol

no, not dry at all..his skin looks shrink wrapped to his body so much that the striations are going to explode...but the idiot nuthuggers say he doesn't look dry LMAO

no wonder these idiots agree with McGough's stupid comments about dorian..

Royal Lion · « **Reply #66 on:** June 13, 2009, 07:34:38 AM »

Quote from: Hulkster on June 13, 2009, 07:27:53 AM

lol

no, not dry at all..his skin looks shrink wrapped to his body so much that the striations are going to explode...but the idiot nuthuggers say he doesn't look dry LMAO

no wonder these idiots agree with McGough's stupid comments about dorian..

That was a typo on my behalf - I meant Ronnie is not soft and is dry. He is shredded. However, saying that under the same lights and at the same angle, e.g. the same show, that Dorian would be bigger and match or surpass his conditioning is not an excuse. It is reality.

Ronnie won in 98/99 because he was more conditioned than Flex. He didn't look much bigger but was much, much harder. Dorian would have been just as hard as Ronnie and would have out-sized him.

Your blind bias is clearly showing by your comments about McGough. Surely you know much more than him because you have been around Ronnie and Dorian in competive shape so many times. Idiot.

pumpster · « **Reply #67 on:** June 13, 2009, 08:33:29 AM »

Quote from: intenceman on June 12, 2009, 11:43:07 PM

He also had the calves to balance out his back shots- which the others on this thread so far lacked. From the front, he was beatable. From the back, he was number one.

Having mediocre arms that in no way balance with the torso far outweighs calves, from ANY angle.

Besides which Coleman's calves were solid in the late 90s and fairly balanced with thighs and rest of physique.

pumpster · « **Reply #68 on:** June 13, 2009, 08:34:37 AM »

Quote from: webcke on June 13, 2009, 06:13:58 AM

Peter Mcgough is a fat schmoe, take his words with a grain of salt.

Everyone except ND who considers McGough one of his IFBB father-figures already knows that.

pumpster · « **Reply #69 on:** June 13, 2009, 08:36:03 AM »

Quote from: webcke on June 13, 2009, 06:22:49 AM

Have you ever met Dorian? Have you ever gone to an Olympia? How much would you be willing to pay for a used thong of Dorians?

LOL how do you know ND and Pollux don't already have several?

I mean these two schmoes already have murals of all their favorite white BBs.

Royal Lion · « **Reply #70 on:** June 13, 2009, 08:37:53 AM »

Your first pic is of Dorian's torn bicep, so of course it looks small in comparison. However, the second shot is impressive IMO.

Dorian had awesome arms.

pumpster · « **Reply #71 on:** June 13, 2009, 08:38:21 AM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 06:34:37 AM

Ha ha ha ha Dorian retired due to injuries Ronnie HIMSELF said he wouldn't have 8 Sandows if Dorian didn't retire

Dorian 8 victories over Ronnie

Ronnie 0 victories over Dorian

Race has nothing to do with it

Yates was chased out, no way the Columbu of the 90s was getting any more gifts when overmatched LOL

pumpster · « **Reply #72 on:** June 13, 2009, 08:39:52 AM »

Quote from: Royal Lion on June 13, 2009, 07:25:01 AM

However, under the same lights and at the same angle, Dorian would equal or surpass Ronnie's conditioning and would be larger. In 98/99 Ronnie didn't look that much larger than Flex.

So we're back to the lighting excuse? How about so smooth you could skate on him, with minimal size relative to others?

Royal Lion · « **Reply #73 on:** June 13, 2009, 08:40:31 AM »

Quote from: pumpster on June 13, 2009, 08:38:21 AM

Yates was chased out, no way the Columbu of the 90s was getting any more gifts when overmatched LOL

Royal Lion · « **Reply #74 on:** June 13, 2009, 08:42:55 AM »

Quote from: pumpster on June 13, 2009, 08:39:52 AM

So we're back to the lighting excuse?

Nice blurry pic there....Jesus you're desperate to prove your points. For example, above you show Yates's left arm compared to Ray's. However, if you would have shown the entire shot you would see that Yates has bigger tri's, delts, back, and his right bicep is also superior.