Hawaii football coach uses homosexual slur in reference to Notre Dame

[GigantorX]

Another sad day in our countries history. Are we really serious about this whole "incident"? Did a coach saying "hey, that dance is a homo dance" really, truly offend ANYONE? Probably not, but, as another poster said, this is a great way to get noticed, pretend you are "compassionate" and have control over someone else.

I call utter and total bullshit that him saying "homo dance" offended anyone. And talk about prejudging people, none of these fools ,that are crying to the moon, know a damn thing about this coach....but they are quick to call him a bigot, a nazi, a war criminal and the worst person since Hitler..or worse than Hitler. What fucking bunch of homo's....wow, I'm Hitler now. I need to be publicly humiliated, torn down, called a bigot, called  homophobe, called intolerant and have my salary confiscated by the thought police. Even though no-one has ever met me in real life.

If this is the absolute best the "Movement" can come up with.......kill yourselves now before you embarrass and alienate the entire country any more.

HOMO....in our lexicon....what does it even mean now? The  ass lame dance the Irish do was aptly called a "homo dance" by the coach. Seems like the right adjective to use considering where the word is in our culture now.

This is truly some limp dick shit. Great, I've probably drawn the ire from the American Limp Dick Association.

[BayGBM]

Press conference is over.  Punishment is as follows:

- Thirty-day-suspension without pay, but will be allowed to coach the team.

- His salary reduction will be used to fund a student intern for the student GLBT group.  

- Voluntary salary reduction, which he was probably going to do anyway (I think 10 percent).  All UH admin officials are doing this.

- He must do a public service announcement for the GLBT folks.

- He must work with the student GLBT group with whatever they want him to do.

He apologized again at the press conference and cried (again).

The student(?) in charge of the UH GLBT group spoke about homophobia.  

I'm just flabbergasted at what pansies we have become in this country.  If you didn't know the facts, you would think this man sexually assaulted a student.  Just outrageous what they are doing to this man.

He is lucky he was not axed!  As I said, the world has changed.  You can either deal with it (get with the program) or you will be dealt with. 

That kind of talk is fine in private (or on anonymous message boards) but it will not be tolerated in the public sphere.

[OzmO]

He is lucky he was not axed!  As I said, the world has changed.  You can either deal with it (get with the program) or you will be dealt with. 

That kind of talk is fine in private (or on anonymous message boards) but it will not be tolerated in the public sphere.

I agree, but don't you think the punishment was way over excessive?

I wonder if there is anything a person can publicly that didn't involve homosexuality that would garner this type of punishment?

[24KT]

Another sad day in our countries history. Are we really serious about this whole "incident"? Did a coach saying "hey, that dance is a homo dance" really, truly offend ANYONE? Probably not, but, as another poster said, this is a great way to get noticed, pretend you are "compassionate" and have control over someone else.

I call utter and total bullshit that him saying "homo dance" offended anyone. And talk about prejudging people, none of these fools ,that are crying to the moon, know a damn thing about this coach....but they are quick to call him a bigot, a nazi, a war criminal and the worst person since Hitler..or worse than Hitler. What fucking bunch of homo's....wow, I'm Hitler now. I need to be publicly humiliated, torn down, called a bigot, called  homophobe, called intolerant and have my salary confiscated by the thought police. Even though no-one has ever met me in real life.

If this is the absolute best the "Movement" can come up with.......kill yourselves now before you embarrass and alienate the entire country any more.

HOMO....in our lexicon....what does it even mean now? The  ass lame dance the Irish do was aptly called a "homo dance" by the coach. Seems like the right adjective to use considering where the word is in our culture now.

This is truly some limp dick shit. Great, I've probably drawn the ire from the American Limp Dick Association.

Possibly, ...but you're perfectly positioned to snag an endorsement deal from Pfizer, ...as a spokesperson for Viagra. 

[BayGBM]

I agree, but don't you think the punishment was way over excessive?

I wonder if there is anything a person can publicly that didn't involve homosexuality that would garner this type of punishment?

Whether the punishment fits the crime is always debatable.  I am sure there were people on campus calling for him to be fired.  They probably do not think this punishment was excessive.  Clearly, the school wanted to send a message; they saw this as a measured punishment: serious but not fatal.

I do think there are a number of other things he could have said that would have garnered a similar sanction. Epithets like the F-word, the N-word, Gook (remember McCain used it even during his campaign), Kike, etc. are used specifically to demean and dehumanize, and in a country with our history of treatment toward minorities (where dehumanization was practically written into the law) it is fitting that a university would take people--who should know better--to task when they create a hostile environment for the students/staff and reflect so poorly on the institution.

[Dos Equis]

Our society has become hypersensitive.  This whole ordeal is absurd.  I was talking to a UH student who said the money being forfeited by Coach Mac and used for a GLBT intern could be used to hire teachers.  UH has serious money problems and has recently let some lecturers go that they couldn't afford.  Talk about whacked priorities. 

I do think Coach Mac shouldn't have said what he did, but when evaluating an inappropriate comment, you have to look at intent, context, and whether the person is actually a bigot. 

The man told a joke for Pete's sake.  He's not a bigot.  As ND's coach said, there was no intent by Coach Mac to demean anyone.  The man has been literally crying like a friggin baby all day.  They should have given him an oral reprimand and let it go. 

I get the feeling the AD and Chancellor wanted to make an impression on the incoming lesbian president. 

[24KT]

I wonder... how does one verify that they are indeed a GLBT intern and qualified to accept the internship?
Do you engage in a public display of sex with someone of the same gender, ...or will a homemade video tape do? And how does the acceptance of this internship impact any future career plans to participate in the military? I don't think they thought this through. 

[24KT]

OK, I just heard his exact words. Hmmm... kind of hard to get around it when you use the 6 letter F word. 

Does anyone have a tape of him crying? I want to see him crying. Does that make me a bad person?

[grab an umbrella]

This should not be an issue.

1 for bay, why is it okay to say something in private, but not public.

2.  If he called ND's dance a girly dance, would women now have the right to be offended???

3.  I have no problem with gays, but this shit is getting taken way too far.

[drkaje]

Even if he called them fags, guys, queers or any other term people shouldn't be so sensitive. It's gay.

[GigantorX]

Our society has become hypersensitive.  This whole ordeal is absurd.  I was talking to a UH student who said the money being forfeited by Coach Mac and used for a GLBT intern could be used to hire teachers.  UH has serious money problems and has recently let some lecturers go that they couldn't afford.  Talk about whacked priorities. 

I do think Coach Mac shouldn't have said what he did, but when evaluating an inappropriate comment, you have to look at intent, context, and whether the person is actually a bigot. 

The man told a joke for Pete's sake.  He's not a bigot.  As ND's coach said, there was no intent by Coach Mac to demean anyone.  The man has been literally crying like a friggin baby all day.  They should have given him an oral reprimand and let it go. 

I get the feeling the AD and Chancellor wanted to make an impression on the incoming lesbian president. 

He said "homo dance" and offended billions of people to the point of mass suicide.

He must be punished.

[drkaje]

He said "homo dance" and offended billions of people to the point of mass suicide.

He must be punished.

I did feel a little dizzy recently. Thought it was a virus but now I realize the world momentarily stopped spinning and gravity was lost due to his harsh comments.

[Hedgehog]

As I said in the thread about firing the Boston police officer (who btw should not be fired) for what he said in an email message, “people are free to hold any attitudes or beliefs they want (even bigoted ones) as long as they do not act them out in ways that impact the lives and livelihoods of others.”  McMackin acted out with what he said in that interview and should be fired.  Perhaps he and Isaiah Washington (fired from Grey’s Anatomy) can have a beer and drown their sorrows together.

The world has changed people: bigotry in your heart or in private is perfectly fine, but in the public sphere it will not be tolerated—especially from overpaid, high profile people who can easily be replaced.  I suspect this is the beginning of the end for this guy...

What's the point of everyone being so easily offended? 

[drkaje]

What's the point of everyone being so easily offended? 

It's really pretty simple, Zack.

They are morally weak and secretly ashamed of themselves for being gay. Stifling us is the only way to avoid dealing with their feelings.

[Hedgehog]

It's really pretty simple, Zack.

They are morally weak and secretly ashamed of themselves for being gay. Stifling us is the only way to avoid dealing with their feelings.

I think it's extremely gay.
 

[GigantorX]

What's the point of everyone being so easily offended? 

That's a damn good question.

[drkaje]

I think it's extremely gay.

Someone secure in their own shit wouldn't care or politicize certain words.

It simply comes down to fear and how hearing certain words (regardless of their context) forces people to deal with their self hatred.

[Option D]

yeah suspended 30 days....super gay

[GigantorX]

yeah suspended 30 days....super gay

Gayer than hell.

[drkaje]

You two are gonna get suspended!!

[OzmO]

Whether the punishment fits the crime is always debatable.  I am sure there were people on campus calling for him to be fired.  They probably do not think this punishment was excessive.  Clearly, the school wanted to send a message; they saw this as a measured punishment: serious but not fatal.

I do think there are a number of other things he could have said that would have garnered a similar sanction. Epithets like the F-word, the N-word, Gook (remember McCain used it even during his campaign), Kike, etc. are used specifically to demean and dehumanize, and in a country with our history of treatment toward minorities (where dehumanization was practically written into the law) it is fitting that a university would take people--who should know better--to task when they create a hostile environment for the students/staff and reflect so poorly on the institution.

That's the thing.  I don't think anyone is debating whether or not something should have been done. The issue is what was done. 

[BayGBM]

That's the thing.  I don't think anyone is debating whether or not something should have been done. The issue is what was done. 

Have you been reading this thread?  There are people posting here who think this is all overblown and no punitive action should have been taken.  I am sure many other people out there who share that view.  Like the coach, they do not get it.  But they will eventually… or they, too, will pay the price.

Following the termination of Isaiah Washington from Grey’s Anatomy (for the same offense) people should have clued in by now.  I suppose it will take a few more firings and other punishments before people finally start to get it.

[OzmO]

Have you been reading this thread?  There are people posting here who think this is all overblown and no punitive action should have been taken.  I am sure many other people out there who share that view.  Like the coach, they do not get it.  But they will eventually… or they, too, will pay the price.

Following the termination of Isaiah Washington from Grey’s Anatomy (for the same offense) people should have clued in by now.  I suppose it will take a few more firings and other punishments before people finally start to get it.

Maybe in a hundreds years people will clue in.  It will take some time but we will get there.  Changing something ingrained into a culture takes more than just one generation.  How long did it take to get the "N" word out?  It's still practiced in casual conversation by old people (60+ years of age) in places like Arkansas.

The Coaches comment wasn't a premeditated direct slander on gays.  It was an indirect irresponsible comment that directly insulted a particular group of people.  Because of that the punishment didn't need to be this severe.

[doison]

Like the coach, they do not get it.  But they will eventually… or they, too, will pay the price.

Wrong.  YOU do not get it.  You're not fucking special.  You're just another insignificant human trudging through life like the rest of us.  As much as you want to believe you're so important that this coach was purposefully trying to insult you and every other gay person by joking around about a bunch of kids he probably cares about like sons, it's not true. 

You spend half your life on this board trying to mock people for following a sport by acting like you have "ultra-secret information" that only a select group of other special people get to know.  YOU have made many insensitive remarks that were said for no other reason that to insult or defame others.  YOU have countless posts where you claim various degrees of homosexuality for different pro bodybuilders for the sole intent of insulting them and the people who admire them.  YOU purposefully try to make posters feel ignorant because they don't have the super-secret knowledge that everyone in bodybuilding is gay. 

YOU use slang terms for homosexuality in a derogatory manner every fucking day.  To come here and act insulted by this coach is disgusting, and makes you the biggest fucking hypocrite on earth.

[Dos Equis]

Wrong.  YOU do not get it.  You're not fucking special.  You're just another insignificant human trudging through life like the rest of us.  As much as you want to believe you're so important that this coach was purposefully trying to insult you and every other gay person by joking around about a bunch of kids he probably cares about like sons, it's not true. 

You spend half your life on this board trying to mock people for following a sport by acting like you have "ultra-secret information" that only a select group of other special people get to know.  YOU have made many insensitive remarks that were said for no other reason that to insult or defame others.  YOU have countless posts where you claim various degrees of homosexuality for different pro bodybuilders for the sole intent of insulting them and the people who admire them.  YOU purposefully try to make posters feel ignorant because they don't have the super-secret knowledge that everyone in bodybuilding is gay. 

YOU use slang terms for homosexuality in a derogatory manner every fucking day.  To come here and act insulted by this coach is disgusting, and makes you the biggest fucking hypocrite on earth.

Ouch.