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SOY Questions
« on: September 03, 2009, 08:05:21 AM »
What's the deal w/soy?

I've seen diff. people here say they avoid it because of hormones or something?

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Re: SOY Questions
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2009, 11:33:29 AM »
Soy has a lot of (controversial) issues, although many of those studies out there touting it's great benefits have been funded by the soy industry.  Some of the bad things about it (non-fermented soy) are that it impairs thyroid function, inhibits protein and mineral absorption and it's a genetically modified food.  It's highly estrogenic and not good for many populations such as men, postmenapausal women, and babies.
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Re: SOY Questions
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2009, 06:37:49 AM »
What's the deal w/soy?

I've seen diff. people here say they avoid it because of hormones or something?



That fear is supremely unfounded. The simple fact is that bodybuilders from yesteryear used soy with great results. A prime example is 4-time Mr. Universe, Bill Pearl, who was also a professional strongman.

I doubt that soy feminized him in the slightest.

In fact, I recently picked up a bunch of soy protein that my gym (Bally) was selling at 75% off. Normally the 15-oz canisters go for $10. I got them for $2 and change.


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Re: SOY Questions
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2009, 01:25:54 PM »
I recently tried soy protein and I love it.  I hated the taste of whey, and would only be able to have one scoop of whey every other day if I made myself, and I've tried many different brands of whey and found they all taste like shit.

A friend recommended I try soy as it apparently tastes better.  I was a bit skeptical but bought a jar anyway, and I really like it.  Now I easily have two protein drinks per day.  The one I'm using by Interactive and called "Soy One."  I also saw Genisoy which I might try as well.  Both types have about as many carbs as protein and some sugar, which probably helps the taste too.

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Re: SOY Questions
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2009, 03:42:59 PM »
I have been using Soy protein for years. For every study that shows the supposed increase in estrogen levels, there are 10 others that do not support this science. Supposedly Soy also helps fight of prostate cancer in males...

One of my original questions (years ago) was this: Does soy protein contain the essential amino acid profile? Yes, it does. Leucine was the one I was concerned about.

As the years go on, I find myself using a mix of Soy and Whey. I don't really notice much difference. The biggest difference I notice is in comparing protein drinks to good ol' solid food. My testosterone levels on soy are currently over 660 ng.per dl. I am 46. I weigh 200 lbs. and am at 11-12% bodyfat. I am not "chemically enhanced"

Here is some quick research for the negative stuff. As previously stated, there are also many prestigious controlled studies done to refute the negativity around soy. I think I harden up a little more when I am only using Whey. I don't really like using soy exclusively, but there are times on the road when I can go into the grocery store and easily buy cold organic soy to last me a couple of days. It's a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a 4 Pack of Muscle Milk (which I also like for the more "filling" effect when I'm in a hurry)

Tough to say. I have been a fan of Pearl's for years. He did fine, but he was never shredded and ripped. He was also enhanced at a few key points in his career. I say: Try it yourself and see what you think. Whatever happens is so subtle it's almost impossible to detect.


According to the research at http://www.solae.com/company/soyessentials/soyprotein.html, Soy protein provides adequate amounts of all the essential amino acids.  This information is listed on the web site of a company that sells soy products, which may make it less than 100% objective.  However, the information is corroborated on other web site, such as http://faq.aces.uiuc.edu/faq.pdl?project_id=5&faq_id=74, which refers to a 1989 study by Erdman & Fordyce.

 
nearly 75% of all processed foods have soy products in them.  What’s more, there is NO labeling laws for soy, even though it is one of the eight most common allergens!  The mayo clinic seems to think that allergens are always labeled (see http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/food-allergies/AA00057), but that isn’t always the case, particularly with soy.  Things that don’t sound like soy, like "dextrose," and "lecithin" are often made from soy protein.  What’s worse, "natural flavors" can be made of soy, or not.  So people with soy allergies have to avoid it, just in case.

 

So even if you don’t think you’re eating soy, you are probably getting a lot of it without realizing.

 

In addition to being a common allergen, the problem with Soy is that it contains phytoestrogens, which "mimic the physiological effects of the endogenous hormone, estrogen".  So by eating soy, you’re really pumping hormones into your body that you may not need.  As the web site (listed below) puts it, "Because of their estrogenic effects, they act more like drugs in the body than foods."  If your body needs estrogen, that may be fine.  But for men, or pregnant (particularly vegetarian) mothers, there is evidence that even a very small amount of soy may contribute to problems such as low sperm counts or even testicular cancer and birth defects.  See http://thehealthyskeptic.org/soy-foods-associated-with-lower-sperm-counts/ for more information.

 

And soy may have other negative effects, such as early menstruation in girls, limiting the body’s absorption of essential minerals (due to higher levels of phytic acid than found in nearly any other food), and a number of other potential ill effects.  See http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/no-joy.html, http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/earlymenarchy.htm, http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KGB/is_/ai_n6006183.



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Re: SOY Questions
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2009, 11:55:43 AM »
Thanks everyone, for the information!
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Re: SOY Questions
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2009, 06:39:52 AM »
I recently tried soy protein and I love it.  I hated the taste of whey, and would only be able to have one scoop of whey every other day if I made myself, and I've tried many different brands of whey and found they all taste like shit.

A friend recommended I try soy as it apparently tastes better.  I was a bit skeptical but bought a jar anyway, and I really like it.  Now I easily have two protein drinks per day.  The one I'm using by Interactive and called "Soy One."  I also saw Genisoy which I might try as well.  Both types have about as many carbs as protein and some sugar, which probably helps the taste too.

I don't know about soy tasting "better, but it does taste different. My only issue with soy protein powder is that it has the consistency of mud/sludge, unless you mix it with a gallon of water.

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Re: SOY Questions
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2009, 12:33:51 PM »
soy milk tastes so good.

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Re: SOY Questions
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2009, 04:44:41 PM »
You can also mix some Soy in your whey protein shake. You can use Soy milk on oatmeal and not have to deal with Lactose...

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Re: SOY Questions
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2009, 07:47:22 PM »


In fact, I recently picked up a bunch of soy protein that my gym (Bally) was selling at 75% off. Normally the 15-oz canisters go for $10. I got them for $2 and change.


You are quite the bargain shopper!  ;D

Are you like that with everything you buy?
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Re: SOY Questions
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2009, 07:10:07 AM »
I personally will stay away from soy until research confirms, without a doubt, that soy will not negatively affect my huevos.  

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Re: SOY Questions
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2009, 05:38:48 PM »
I Posted a similar question in another board. After much searching and filtering the "bro" science and the real science i have found that they still really dont know much about soy................

Here is what the CDC (center for disease control) says:

Phytoestrogens are naturally occurring polycyclic phenols found in certain plants that may, when ingested and metabolized, have weak estrogenic effects. Two important groups of phytoestrogens are isoflavones and lignans. The isoflavones considered in this report are daidzein, genistein, O-desmethylangolensin (ODMA), and equol. The lignans considered in this report are enterodiol and enterolactone.

http://www.cdc.gov/nutritionreport/part_5.html

And the The National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine.

What the Science Says
Research suggests that daily intake of soy protein may slightly lower levels of LDL ("bad") cholesterol.
Some studies suggest that soy isoflavone supplements may reduce hot flashes in women after menopause. However, the results have been inconsistent.
There is not enough scientific evidence to determine whether soy supplements are effective for any other health uses.
NCCAM is supporting ongoing studies of soy, including its effects on women's arteries and bones after menopause.
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Side Effects and Cautions
Soy is considered safe for most people when used as a food or when taken for short periods as a dietary supplement.
Minor stomach and bowel problems such as nausea, bloating, and constipation are possible.
Allergic reactions such as breathing problems and rash can occur in rare cases.
The safety of long-term use of soy isoflavones has not been established. Evidence is mixed on whether using isoflavone supplements, over time, can increase the risk of endometrial hyperplasia (a thickening of the lining of the uterus that can lead to cancer). Studies show no effect of dietary soy on risk for endometrial hyperplasia.
Soy's possible role in breast cancer risk is uncertain. Until more is known about soy's effect on estrogen levels, women who have or who are at increased risk of developing breast cancer or other hormone-sensitive conditions (such as ovarian or uterine cancer) should be particularly careful about using soy and should discuss it with their health care providers.

http://nccam.nih.gov/health/soy/