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I don't agree or disagree.  If you need other people to think for you, that's your business.  We all have to deal with whatever our strengths and weaknesses might be.  
Explain how posting a Primary Source in relation to a topic discussion equates to somebody automatically "thinking for you".  That makes no sense whatsoever.

Ron Paul DOES NOT think for me, yet I posted himself talking on a specific issue as to not further the myth that often surrounds him.

How does that make Ron Paul my default switch to any decision making processes?
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1. People will read my posts or they won`t.  I have no control over it, but the best I can do is post the entire thing and highlight some relevant points if necessary.

2. Writing and Literature are very dear to me.  Writing courses in college were a joke.  The St. Martins Guide to Writing (if you went to college you would know what this book is) is pitiful. I still have all of my books and not a one can make you a better writer.  As Gore Vidal says, "If you have to go to school to become a writer, you aren`t one".  I wonder if Shakespeare could have written better if he read the St. Martins Guide to Writing.  :-\


3.  I do see MANY, MANY, MANY websites displaying exaggerated writing.  I can`t name one that does not.  240 is a web designer, if you look at his pages, all are VERY bold.  Go to Microsoft`s website, Youtube, CNN, wherever and you will find BOLD DRAMATIC FONT.  Advertisers especially know the value of doing this.  There is a little thing called Information Process Biasing.  You should look into it.  I doubt that you will, but I`d be more than happy to post about it.  You may find it interesting.  Also research Edward Bernays.  You may get something out of that.

4. Much to your Dismay, There are no rules or rulebooks for internet highlighting.  Sorry.  :-\

You talk like someone who never went to college, or someone who did go to college some and then dropped out.

If you don't care whether or not people read your posts, then why do you insist on using excessive bolding, font size, caps and colors to tell people "look at me, look at me. I'm here, I'm here.  Please read my post, please read it!"?

Microsoft, YouTube, CNN do not rely on excessive bolding, font size, caps and colors like you do.  If you can't tell the difference, then there is no hope for you.

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You talk like someone who never went to college, or someone who did go to college some and then dropped out.

If you don't care whether or not people read your posts, then why do you insist on using excessive bolding, font size, caps and colors to tell people "look at me, look at me. I'm here, I'm here.  Please read my post, please read it!"?

Microsoft, YouTube, CNN do not rely on excessive bolding, font size, caps and colors like you do.  If you can't tell the difference, then there is no hope for you.
1. How do you make such a bold assumption without any facts or evidence?  Besides, how does someone "talk" like they have or have not been to college or "talk" like they have been but dropped out? Can you clarify how you determine this and what prompts you to do so?  Just curious, does Bill Gates sound like someone who has been to college but dropped out since that is in fact what he did?  If so, what about Bill Gates gives that away.  Surely you must have an answer since you have made up your own criteria for judgement.  Please answer.

2. I do not care who reads my posts or who does not.  People will click if they want or they won`t click.

3. As I stated earlier: I am NOT confident that you and others posses the ability to read an entire article and understand the main points.  Perhaps you may not even have the time.  By using the bold feature it enables a quick slice of pertinent information to be conveyed.  It also sets that particular piece of information apart as informational process biasing is rampant on this site.  I can`t count how many times people on this site "read" an article and miss the entire intended meaning or blatantly deny the facts and evidence that may have been contained therein.  Highlighting helps stop this from occurring as it calls attention to a particular point that may have gone unnoticed for whatever reason.

The fact that I highlight things has NOTHING to do with myself.  I don`t see how you convolute it as an attempt of self-aggrandizement.  It simply does not make sense.
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1. How do you make such a bold assumption without any facts or evidence?  Besides, how does someone "talk" like they have or have not been to college or "talk" like they have been but dropped out? Can you clarify how you determine this and what prompts you to do so?  Just curious, does Bill Gates sound like someone who has been to college but dropped out since that is in fact what he did?  If so, what about Bill Gates gives that away.  Surely you must have an answer since you have made up your own criteria for judgement.  Please answer.

2. I do not care who reads my posts or who does not.  People will click if they want or they won`t click.

3. As I stated earlier: I am NOT confident that you and others posses the ability to read an entire article and understand the main points.  Perhaps you may not even have the time.  By using the bold feature it enables a quick slice of pertinent information to be conveyed.  It also sets that particular piece of information apart as informational process biasing is rampant on this site.  I can`t count how many times people on this site "read" an article and miss the entire intended meaning or blatantly deny the facts and evidence that may have been contained therein.  Highlighting helps stop this from occurring as it calls attention to a particular point that may have gone unnoticed for whatever reason.

The fact that I highlight things has NOTHING to do with myself.  I don`t see how you convolute it as an attempt of self-aggrandizement.  It simply does not make sense.


Show some humility you wack job, Nazi saluting, swastika wearing, bi polar, duplicitous douche, it'll do you some good.

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1. How do you make such a bold assumption without any facts or evidence?  Besides, how does someone "talk" like they have or have not been to college or "talk" like they have been but dropped out? Can you clarify how you determine this and what prompts you to do so?  Just curious, does Bill Gates sound like someone who has been to college but dropped out since that is in fact what he did?  If so, what about Bill Gates gives that away.  Surely you must have an answer since you have made up your own criteria for judgement.  Please answer.

2. I do not care who reads my posts or who does not.  People will click if they want or they won`t click.

3. As I stated earlier: I am NOT confident that you and others posses the ability to read an entire article and understand the main points.  Perhaps you may not even have the time.  By using the bold feature it enables a quick slice of pertinent information to be conveyed.  It also sets that particular piece of information apart as informational process biasing is rampant on this site.  I can`t count how many times people on this site "read" an article and miss the entire intended meaning or blatantly deny the facts and evidence that may have been contained therein.  Highlighting helps stop this from occurring as it calls attention to a particular point that may have gone unnoticed for whatever reason.

The fact that I highlight things has NOTHING to do with myself.  I don`t see how you convolute it as an attempt of self-aggrandizement.  It simply does not make sense.

I bet you also complain about the other person with less experience than you who got the job, promotion or salary increase only because he/she has a bachelors degree and you don't.  I bet you also bring up Bill Gates in conversations to justify you not going to college or dropping out of college...wait a minute, you just brought up Bill Gates.  

Bill Gates and a few others are the exception and not the norm.  You are no Bill Gates.

It's okay if a person chooses not to go to college or chooses to drop out, but please spare me the anti-college education rants!

I was simply making a comment/observation about your excessive use of text formatting and pointing out that it is not only annoying, but it is not helpful either.

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I bet you also complain about the other person with less experience than you who got the job, promotion or salary increase only because he/she has a bachelors degree and you don't.  I bet you also bring up Bill Gates in conversations to justify you not going to college or dropping out of college...wait a minute, you just brought up Bill Gates.  

Bill Gates and a few others are the exception and not the norm.  You are no Bill Gates.

It's okay if a person chooses not to go to college or chooses to drop out, but please spare me the anti-college education rants!

I was simply making a comment/observation about your excessive use of text formatting and pointing out that it is not only annoying, but it is not helpful either.
    This isn`t about me, this is about YOUR judging criteria in which YOU made up totally on your own volition.  I only brought up Bill Gates because you claim you can detect if someone dropped out of college by they way they "talk".  That was YOUR claim.  So to test your claim, I would like to still know what about Bill Gates reveals that he dropped out of college?  How can you tell?  I can`t, but you say you can to which I want to understand how you think it is possible.  It doesn`t have to be Bill Gates, it can be anyone, I just used an example of a public figure who is in the spotlight.  Pick anyone of your choosing.  Can you please answer?

Your assumption about me completely wrong, therefore I know your "college litmus test" is complete bullshit.  Personally, I wasted thousands of dollars that I wish I hadn`t for some courses and especially when I lived on campus.  At least my family had the money to pay completely out of pocket so I don`t have any loans to pay back, but a waste of money nonetheless in my opinion.  I am not anti-college in the least,  but to think that it is the end all to education is just plain ignorant.

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Show some humility you wack job, Nazi saluting, swastika wearing, bi polar, duplicitous douche, it'll do you some good.
Humility in regards to what?  Your very post is ironic.  Do you realize this?  I do realize irony is an abstract thought process that you may not be able to grasp but I think it was at least worth noting.
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At least my family had the money to pay completely out of pocket so I don`t have any loans to pay back, but a waste of money nonetheless in my opinion. .



This explains everything. If I was your parents/family I'd send you to the NorthWest Territories where I'd make you smash rocks with a rubber mallot for 5 years so you'd appreciate the money that was spent on your sorry ass. No wonder you advocate socialism with furor.


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Great damn post bindare!   Serious, spot freaking on!

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This explains everything. If I was your parents/family I'd send you to the NorthWest Territories where I'd make you smash rocks with a rubber mallot for 5 years so you'd appreciate the money that was spent on your sorry ass. No wonder you advocate socialism with the furor.


My Grandfather was a Socialist and was locked up for dispensing Anti-Hitler Pamphlets and for possessing and distributing the works of the Socialist Rosa Luxemburg.  He was eventually let out and forced to serve in the German military to which he immediately sought capture by the French.  He then spent 5 years in a French POW camp after the war.

My Jewish side, my Grandfather was a Socialist/Capitalist who started the World`s Largest Television and Record Cabinet Furniture Manufacturing Corporation.

He even had Full Page ads in Life magazine, the most sought after for businesses, in the 50s and 60s.
Here is one of his ads.
http://books.google.com/books?id=ilQEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA15&dq=universal+furniture+high+point&lr=&num=30&as_brr=0&as_pt=MAGAZINES&ei=Y17GS5TTEpLEzgSUkMnSDg&rview=1&cd=1#v=onepage&q&f=false
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Great damn post bindare!   Serious, spot freaking on!

The guy is looped in the head, no doubt about it.

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The guy is looped in the head, no doubt about it.
I think you are hilarious albeit totally misguided.  ;)

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I bet you also complain about the other person with less experience than you who got the job, promotion or salary increase only because he/she has a bachelors degree and you don't.  I bet you also bring up Bill Gates in conversations to justify you not going to college or dropping out of college...wait a minute, you just brought up Bill Gates.  

Bill Gates and a few others are the exception and not the norm.  You are no Bill Gates.

It's okay if a person chooses not to go to college or chooses to drop out, but please spare me the anti-college education rants!

I was simply making a comment/observation about your excessive use of text formatting and pointing out that it is not only annoying, but it is not helpful either.

Spot on. 

TA you sound awfully insecure.  Criticizing the value of formal education is what's plain ignorant.  And BD is right:  show some humility already.  You think way too highly of yourself.  There are some very smart people posting in this thread (excluding me) and I doubt any of them are very impressed by your arrogance. 

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Spot on. 

TA you sound awfully insecure.  Criticizing the value of formal education is what's plain ignorant.  And BD is right:  show some humility already.  You think way too highly of yourself.  There are some very smart people posting in this thread (excluding me) and I doubt any of them are very impressed by your arrogance. 

Exactly. Many of us have differing opinions and sometimes we are strongly passionate in how we present them but Adam is so arrogant that he shuts people out completly.

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Spot on. 

TA you sound awfully insecure.  Criticizing the value of formal education is what's plain ignorant.  And BD is right:  show some humility already.  You think way too highly of yourself.  There are some very smart people posting in this thread (excluding me) and I doubt any of them are very impressed by your arrogance. 
 I disagree totally with the perceived value of our educational system.  If you don`t criticize it, you will just end up with mediocrity which is what we are displaying, especially in regards to Science and Scientific understanding.  I do realize that college is not meant to be the end all and that to really be versed in a subject or an area, its going to take a whole lot more than just basic schooling.  You will have to spend more time outside of school than inside to truly understand any topic.  Lets face it, 120 credit hours hardly make anyone qualified in anything.  I can literally count on my hand the few truly valuable classes that have been somewhat worthwhile.  I assume you have been to school.  Have you ever been left with wonderment as to why you cannot finish a text book in the allotted time with some teachers disregarding them totally?  Spending a week to cover Cell Replication is hardly enough to do it any justice let alone learn much of anything.  Spending one day on the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln does virtually nothing to understanding why and how....

If you haven`t been to school Beach Bum, you may find yourself disappointed.  Unless of course you are happy with not even scratching the surface of complicated subjects or not truly understanding the why and the how.

Humility in regards to what and to whom?  I don`t think I am being arrogant in the least.  Even if I were (to which I dispute) the only person that can make you feel inferior is yourself.  Sorry if that is what has got you so worked up.  I didn`t do it.
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Exactly. Many of us have differing opinions and sometimes we are strongly passionate in how we present them but Adam is so arrogant that he shuts people out completly.
Have I called you any derogatory names?
IF I recall, you and the others surely have on this thread. 
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 I disagree totally with the perceived value of our educational system.  If you don`t criticize it, you will just end up with mediocrity which is what we are displaying, especially in regards to Science and Scientific understanding.  I do realize that college is not meant to be the end all and that to really be versed in a subject or an area, its going to take a whole lot more than just basic schooling.  You will have to spend more time outside of school than inside to truly understand any topic.  Lets face it, 120 credit hours hardly make anyone qualified in anything.  I can literally count on my hand the few truly valuable classes that have been somewhat worthwhile.  I assume you have been to school.  Have you ever been left with wonderment as to why you cannot finish a text book in the allotted time with some teachers disregarding them totally?  Spending a week to cover Cell Replication is hardly enough to do it any justice let alone learn much of anything.  Spending one day on the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln does virtually nothing to understanding why and how....

If you haven`t been to school Beach Bum, you may find yourself disappointed.  Unless of course you are happy with not even scratching the surface of complicated subjects or not truly understanding the why and the how.

Humility in regards to what and to whom?  I don`t think I am being arrogant in the least.  Even if I were (to which I dispute) the only person that can make you feel inferior is yourself.  Sorry if that is what has got you so worked up.  I didn`t do it.

That's a completely warped and inaccurate view of formal education.  Of course you learn much by being in the real world and some of the smartest people I have known never went to college.  But formal education develops critical thinking.  It changes the way you approach problems and life in general.  It even changes the way you read the news. 

But . . . you also get out of it what you put in.  If you meander through school in a drug-induced haze, you will not learn much and leave school not much smarter than when you began. 

If you can't see how arrogant you are in your threads then I can't help you.  The fact you think most people aren't smart enough to understand what you write (without the elementary school colors, etc.) speaks volumes.   

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Have I called you any derogatory names?
IF I recall, you and the others surely have on this thread. 

No one can help you my friend. We have tried and Beach is doing a great job trying explain things to you but it is hopeless. Go spend time instigating fights on other sites, oh humble one.


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No one can help you my friend. We have tried and Beach is doing a great job trying explain things to you but it is hopeless. Go spend time instigating fights on other sites, oh humble one.


What, if anything, are you trying to explain? 
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what is the military spending as a % of US budget?
What about compared to domestic things?

I wonder if the people screaming about him cutting the military know how many bases we actually have compared to other nations.

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Dude..They replaced the bun with Fried Chicken...how player is that
have your tried it yet mal? kinda want to but I really dont think it will be that good to be honest...

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Promising thread derailed by people forcing TA to back up his cut and paste bullshit. We're not cutting military spending....ist funny Dems whine when factories are shut down and people are layed off..EXCEPT WHEN ITS IN THE DEFENSE INDUSTRY!...As always..typical douchbag lib ploy. U are all full of shit.
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Promising thread derailed by people forcing TA to back up his cut and paste bullshit. We're not cutting military spending....ist funny Dems whine when factories are shut down and people are layed off..EXCEPT WHEN ITS IN THE DEFENSE INDUSTRY!...As always..typical douchbag lib ploy. U are all full of shit.

How about we END the welfare state and force these people to go to work building up and maintaining our military?  sure it would take a lot of time, but we simply cannot have the welfare state and this current level of spending.


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Ron Paul has advocated 50 percent reduction initially if he were elected and further reduction as the years go by as needed.

I don`t think many Republicans would be on board with that.  That is one area where I support Ron Paul.

Correct me if I am wrong, but you don`t support that much of a reduction as per your previous post, do you?

I don't support a 50% reduction initially or ever. But having a budget of over 600 billion + Wars is unsustainable. Over seas base closures, putting more responsibility on our "friends" to defend themselves or pay us to defend them. Tightening up the weapons procurement process would also be a good start.

The world still needs a leader that has the capability to project a large and overwhelming amount of power to any point on the globe. We need to keep that capability. I just don't think it should cost almost 1 trillion dollars.

Plus, a 50% reduction is unreasonable. Like HH6 said, everyone will sing a different tune when their factories are the ones being shut down and their constituents are the ones being laid off. The defense industry is also crucial in keeping or shrinking industrial base alive.

I'm sure cutting the skyrocketing welfare state might be a better place to start with the 50% reduction as the welfare produces absolutely nothing of value. It only leeches....yeah, that would make far more sense.