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Police state: How Mexico treats illegal aliens
By Michelle Malkin  •  April 28, 2010 12:36 AM
This is what a “police state” looks like

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My syndicated column today responds to Mexican President Felipe Calderon’s demagoguery on Arizona’s immigration enforcement law. Calderon has a long history of bashing the U.S. — and then getting rewarded for it with billions of dollars in foreign aid (see here, here, and here).

I reported on Calderon’s aggressive meddling on behalf of illegal aliens through his government consulate offices in America here. Heather Mac Donald published a thorough investigation of the Mexican government meddle-crats here. Allan Wall has reported on it for years. Mike Sweeney, an Arizona Republic letter-writer underscores my column theme today:

“Having traveled into Mexico last year to various cities on the Baja Peninsula, a distance of more than 1,000 miles round-trip, we were stopped more than 20 times at various checkpoints. At most of those stops, we were told to exit the vehicle and we were subjected to rigorous inspections. Where does Mexican President Felipe Calderón get off with his hypocritical outrage at our Senate Bill 1070?”
Where indeed?

Mexican President Felipe Calderon has accused Arizona of opening the door “to intolerance, hate, discrimination and abuse in law enforcement.” But Arizona has nothing on Mexico when it comes to cracking down on illegal aliens. While open-borders activists decry new enforcement measures signed into law in “Nazi-zona” last week, they remain deaf, dumb or willfully blind to the unapologetically restrictionist policies of our neighbors to the south.

The Arizona law bans sanctuary cities that refuse to enforce immigration laws, stiffens penalties against illegal alien day laborers and their employers, makes it a misdemeanor for immigrants to fail to complete and carry an alien registration document, and allows the police to arrest immigrants unable to show documents proving they are in the U.S. legally. If those rules constitute the racist, fascist, xenophobic, inhumane regime that the National Council of La Raza, Al Sharpton, Catholic bishops and their grievance-mongering followers claim, then what about these regulations and restrictions imposed on foreigners?

– The Mexican government will bar foreigners if they upset “the equilibrium of the national demographics.” How’s that for racial and ethnic profiling?

– If outsiders do not enhance the country’s “economic or national interests” or are “not found to be physically or mentally healthy,” they are not welcome. Neither are those who show “contempt against national sovereignty or security.” They must not be economic burdens on society and must have clean criminal histories. Those seeking to obtain Mexican citizenship must show a birth certificate, provide a bank statement proving economic independence, pass an exam and prove they can provide their own health care.

– Illegal entry into the country is equivalent to a felony punishable by two years’ imprisonment. Document fraud is subject to fine and imprisonment; so is alien marriage fraud. Evading deportation is a serious crime; illegal re-entry after deportation is punishable by ten years’ imprisonment. Foreigners may be kicked out of the country without due process and the endless bites at the litigation apple that illegal aliens are afforded in our country (see, for example, President Obama’s illegal alien aunt — a fugitive from deportation for eight years who is awaiting a second decision on her previously rejected asylum claim).

– Law enforcement officials at all levels — by national mandate — must cooperate to enforce immigration laws, including illegal alien arrests and deportations. The Mexican military is also required to assist in immigration enforcement operations. Native-born Mexicans are empowered to make citizens’ arrests of illegal aliens and turn them in to authorities.

– Ready to show your papers? Mexico’s National Catalog of Foreigners tracks all outside tourists and foreign nationals. A National Population Registry tracks and verifies the identity of every member of the population, who must carry a citizens’ identity card. Visitors who do not possess proper documents and identification are subject to arrest as illegal aliens.

All of these provisions are enshrined in Mexico’s Ley General de Población (General Law of the Population) and were spotlighted in a 2006 research paper published by the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Security Policy. There’s been no public clamor for “comprehensive immigration reform” in Mexico, however, because pro-illegal alien speech by outsiders is prohibited.

Consider: Open-borders protesters marched freely at the Capitol building in Arizona, comparing GOP Gov. Jan Brewer to Hitler, waving Mexican flags, advocating that demonstrators “Smash the State,” and holding signs that proclaimed “No human is illegal” and “We have rights.”

But under the Mexican constitution, such political speech by foreigners is banned. Noncitizens cannot “in any way participate in the political affairs of the country.” In fact, a plethora of Mexican statutes enacted by its congress limit the participation of foreign nationals and companies in everything from investment, education, mining and civil aviation to electric energy and firearms. Foreigners have severely limited private property and employment rights (if any).

As for abuse, the Mexican government is notorious for its abuse of Central American illegal aliens who attempt to violate Mexico’s southern border. The Red Cross has protested rampant Mexican police corruption, intimidation and bribery schemes targeting illegal aliens there for years. Mexico didn’t respond by granting mass amnesty to illegal aliens, as it is demanding that we do. It clamped down on its borders even further. In late 2008, the Mexican government launched an aggressive deportation plan to curtain illegal Cuban immigration and human trafficking through Cancun.

Meanwhile, Mexican consular offices in the United States have coordinated with left-wing social justice groups and the Catholic Church leadership to demand a moratorium on all deportations and a freeze on all employment raids across America.

Mexico is doing the job Arizona is now doing — a job the U.S. government has failed miserably to do: putting its people first. Here’s the proper rejoinder to all the hysterical demagogues in Mexico (and their sympathizers here on American soil) now calling for boycotts and invoking Jim Crow laws, apartheid and the Holocaust because Arizona has taken its sovereignty into its own hands:

Hipócritas.


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Lets see 240 and the gang cry over this. 

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They'll only say "we shouldn't stoop to Mexico's level" or something equally silly.

We care about human rights. No one wants to speculate about what produce would cost or admit illegals are a form of slavery.

The border problem could be resolved within weeks if doing so didn't have severe political and economic consequences.

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They are hypocrites.

Mexico can't demand the USA to respect the rights of illegals and give them amnesty, when they themselves are unwilling to do the same.

And before any one says that Malkin is lying. I would like to ask them, how many Guatemalans and Peruvians have you spoken to? I know a few of them and they all say that when it comes to illegal immigration, Mexicans are ruthless and they don't care about any "human rights".

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Every Guatamalan always says crossing the border into Mexico is far worse than crossing the border into the USA. 

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Not just Mexico, but virtually every other country on earth vigorusly enforces its immigration laws. I am so fucking sick and tired of listening to these cowardly pie in the sky left wing douchebags bitch about how America should be more like the rest of the world..... except in this case. In France do you think everything is written and spoken in French and English? No-- Immigrints have to learn the language to interact with other people. In South America are illegal immigrints who sneak into the country given due process? Hell no. They are thrown in jail and deported. In Mexico, are all individuals that LEGALLY enter the country entitled to stay? NO-- They have to "enrich" the country and they can't be sick or a strain on the Mexican economy.

So there you have it-- America is a police state for enforcing its laws.

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Exactly right. 


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What? No comments from the liberal windbags of this forum?

What else is new?

But you can bet blacken, 240 and the other morons will put 905282058209480248028028 2  Palin threads.

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sorry, this person has no credibility to me.  she attacked america on foreign soil - she was one of the first 911 truthers - and she did it in the FOREIGN PRESS.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/michelle/malkin030802.asp

she was a major truther.  that's her column. 

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More diversion from 240.

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sorry, this person has no credibility to me.  she attacked america on foreign soil - she was one of the first 911 truthers - and she did it in the FOREIGN PRESS.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/michelle/malkin030802.asp

she was a major truther.  that's her column. 
One thing has nothing to do with the other.

Nice try, but you can't deflect this away. Mexico’s Ley General de Población state these provisions, not Michelle Malkin.

You idiots want USA to be like other nations when it comes to health care and the economy. Why would you be against the USA using the same immigration policies that foreign nations have?

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Re: Michelle Malkin: A True Police state: How Mexico treats illegal aliens.
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2010, 01:10:20 PM »
i kinda like their policy.  Are you familir with my proposal to break their leg and drop them back at the sothernmost tip of Mex, to see if they can make the trip back? 


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Re: Michelle Malkin: A True Police state: How Mexico treats illegal aliens.
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2010, 01:11:50 PM »
You dont want even to allow the cops to find out who the illegals are.  Whose kneecaps are you going to break?

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Re: Michelle Malkin: A True Police state: How Mexico treats illegal aliens.
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2010, 01:13:57 PM »
sorry, this person has no credibility to me.  she attacked america on foreign soil - she was one of the first 911 truthers - and she did it in the FOREIGN PRESS.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/michelle/malkin030802.asp

she was a major truther.  that's her column. 

So your point is that because she is a truther she is wrong on everything else,or we should think she is wrong on everything else?Maddow LIED about the census workers death to try to pull ratings[a fail]and was PROVEN a liar but you support her.Wow what a double standard.

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Re: Michelle Malkin: A True Police state: How Mexico treats illegal aliens.
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2010, 01:20:15 PM »
Not just Mexico, but virtually every other country on earth vigorusly enforces its immigration laws. I am so fucking sick and tired of listening to these cowardly pie in the sky left wing douchebags bitch about how America should be more like the rest of the world..... except in this case. In France do you think everything is written and spoken in French and English? No-- Immigrints have to learn the language to interact with other people. In South America are illegal immigrints who sneak into the country given due process? Hell no. They are thrown in jail and deported. In Mexico, are all individuals that LEGALLY enter the country entitled to stay? NO-- They have to "enrich" the country and they can't be sick or a strain on the Mexican economy.

So there you have it-- America is a police state for enforcing its laws.

The objection here is not America's desire to enforce the law, ...but rather the means they intend to introduce to do it.

Deadbeat parents who don't support their kids result in their kids becoming a drain on the resources of the state.
would you then support a law that gives police the right to arrest you if by a visual inspection, they suspect you may be a deadbeat parent? you're on your way to the grocery store to pick up a loaf of bread and some cop stops you cause he thinks you look like a deadbeat parent, ...and if you are unable to provide proof on the spot that you support your kids... you go to jail? Does that seem reasonable? ...afterall, they're simply trying to enforce the law.  ::)
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Re: Michelle Malkin: A True Police state: How Mexico treats illegal aliens.
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2010, 01:23:33 PM »
The objection here is not America's desire to enforce the law, ...but rather the means they intend to introduce to do it.

Deadbeat parents who don't support their kids result in their kids becoming a drain on the resources of the state.
would you then support a law that gives police the right to arrest you if by a visual inspection, they suspect you may be a deadbeat parent? you're on your way to the grocery store to pick up a loaf of bread and some cop stops you cause he thinks you look like a deadbeat parent, ...and if you are unable to provide proof on the spot that you support your kids... you go to jail? Does that seem reasonable? ...afterall, they're simply trying to enforce the law.  ::)


Yes, let's compare American citizens to criminals. Get the hell out of here with that terrible example.

I don't see the Canadians welcoming them with open arms.  ::)

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Re: Michelle Malkin: A True Police state: How Mexico treats illegal aliens.
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2010, 01:25:44 PM »
The objection here is not America's desire to enforce the law, ...but rather the means they intend to introduce to do it.

Deadbeat parents who don't support their kids result in their kids becoming a drain on the resources of the state.
would you then support a law that gives police the right to arrest you if by a visual inspection, they suspect you may be a deadbeat parent? you're on your way to the grocery store to pick up a loaf of bread and some cop stops you cause he thinks you look like a deadbeat parent, ...and if you are unable to provide proof on the spot that you support your kids... you go to jail? Does that seem reasonable? ...afterall, they're simply trying to enforce the law.  ::)


But since the Arizona law doesnt say that why worry about it.Let me ask you this AND THIS is the way the Arizona law is crafted.A cop gets a call to go to a house because of a report of a disturbance.He gets there and sees the childeren are in a state of dissaray,dirty,unkept,and unchanged and looking hungry.Do the police have a right to investigate whats going on there?THATS the way the Arizona law is crafted.The police are forbidden to just randomly ask for papers.This is a liberal lie.

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Re: Michelle Malkin: A True Police state: How Mexico treats illegal aliens.
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2010, 01:26:09 PM »
They cant go based on race alone you morons! 

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Re: Michelle Malkin: A True Police state: How Mexico treats illegal aliens.
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2010, 01:30:07 PM »
Yes, let's compare American citizens to criminals. Get the hell out of here with that terrible example.

No I think that's a very appropriate example. it does the exact same thing. When you leave it to the discretion of the police to question everyone they reasonable suspect, you open up the vast majority of legal citizens to abuse and a violation of their 4th amendment rights.

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I don't see the Canadians welcoming them with open arms.  ::)

The only country that I'm aware of that welcomes illegals with open arms is the USA. Without them, your economy would collapse, and that is why they are never going away, no matter how much people scream about illegals being a drain on the system. They contribute MORE than they take. If it weren't the case, your government would instantly put a stop to it.
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Re: Michelle Malkin: A True Police state: How Mexico treats illegal aliens.
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2010, 01:30:41 PM »
They cant go based on race alone you morons! 

So what will be the criteria?
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Re: Michelle Malkin: A True Police state: How Mexico treats illegal aliens.
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2010, 01:31:47 PM »
No I think that's a very appropriate example. it does the exact same thing. When you leave it to the discretion of the police to question everyone they reasonable suspect, you open up the vast majority of legal citizens to abuse and a violation of their 4th amendment rights.



No, it doesn't do anything close to the exact same thing. An American citizen is an American citizen. An illegal immigrant is a CRIMINAL.  ::)

I don't see you welcoming them to Canada. Why don't you do your part and offer them residence at your shanty? I'll even pay for the bus tickets for every illegal immigrant your shanty can hold.

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Re: Michelle Malkin: A True Police state: How Mexico treats illegal aliens.
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2010, 01:37:21 PM »
No, it doesn't do anything close to the exact same thing. An American citizen is an American citizen. An illegal immigrant is a CRIMINAL.  ::)

And an American citizen who fails to provide child support is a criminal.

For that matter, a man who rapes a woman is a criminal. Should police have the authority based upon a visual reasonable suspicion that someone is a rapist, be allowed to detain them, ...and unless they were able to prove they hadn't raped anyone, be subjected to arrest?

Again, what would be the criteria? ...an anonymous tip? Good Luck with that!

If you want to stop the bees, you need to rid yourself of the hives. the way to squash illegal immigration is to crackdown on the hives (employers) not waste your time trying to swat individual bees.


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I don't see you welcoming them to Canada. Why don't you do your part and offer them residence at your shanty?

I told you, the only country welcoming illegals is the USA. I don't live in a shanty thanyouverymuch!
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Re: Michelle Malkin: A True Police state: How Mexico treats illegal aliens.
« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2010, 01:38:35 PM »
Here is an example:  

Cop gets call to a house on a domestic violence call.  Cop gets to house and finds wife screaming and man drunk on the steps.  LDetains the man and asks him his name and who he is and for some type of id.  Suspect gives a phoney id or information that does not add up.  For example suspect speaks no english, has no home address, and has no id of any type.  Cop inquires with woman who stays silent.  Cop asks neighbors who claim the place is a flop house for illegals.  Cop talks to landlord who claims he never saw the guy before and has no idea who he is.  Cop now has reasonable suspicion to investigate whether the guy is an illegal alien so he can refer him to ICE.  

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Re: Michelle Malkin: A True Police state: How Mexico treats illegal aliens.
« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2010, 01:40:38 PM »
And an American citizen who fails to provide child support is a criminal.

For that matter, a man who rapes a woman is a criminal. Should police have the authority based upon a visual reasonable suspicion that someone is a rapist, be allowed to detain them, ...and unless they were able to prove they hadn't raped anyone, be subjected to arrest?

Again, what would be the criteria? ...an anonymous tip? Good Luck with that!

If you want to stop the bees, you need to rid yourself of the hives. the way to squash illegal immigration is to crackdown on the hives (employers) not waste your time trying to swat individual bees.


If child services shows up at a house and it's ridden with trash, the children are dirty, etc, etc, etc then yes, it usually leads to arrests. Are they not "profiling" these criminal parents? Do you think those parents are getting an unfair shake? I mean, they were only investigated based on physical appearances. Does that bother you? Doubt it does.  

Again, this law has nothing to do with visual representation. So you can try to parlay your interpretation of it (which is just wrong) into some all encompassing police state bullshit but your little example holds no water.

And if you're not willing to welcome illegal immigrants to your country then you should shut the fuck up and stop telling us how to treat them in ours. Talk about a hypocritical dirtbag.

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Re: Michelle Malkin: A True Police state: How Mexico treats illegal aliens.
« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2010, 01:46:47 PM »
Every Guatamalan always says crossing the border into Mexico is far worse than crossing the border into the USA. 
I was on a mission trip in Guatamala, and this is definitely true.  We heard some terrible stories while we were there.  Even in Guatamala it is strict.  We got stopped three times just going from the airport in Guatamala City to Panajachel.  And the soldiers were strapping with AK-47s. 

Michelle Malkin hits it on the mark in her article.

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Re: Michelle Malkin: A True Police state: How Mexico treats illegal aliens.
« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2010, 01:53:57 PM »
Here is an example:  

Cop gets call to a house on a domestic violence call.  Cop gets to house and finds wife screaming and man drunk on the steps.  LDetains the man and asks him his name and who he is and for some type of id.  Suspect gives a phoney id or information that does not add up.

What do you mean information that doesn't add up. He says his name is John Smith. What about John Smith does not add up? That's not reasonable suspicion that he's illegal.

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For example suspect speaks no english, has no home address, and has no id of any type.

Not speaking English doesn't automatically equate to being illegal. he could be a tourist, or a legal resident who speaks no english. not having id could mean he left his wallet and ID at home. no home address? he could be homeless. not providing any of these could also mean that no speaking english, he had no understanding of what was being asked for.

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Cop inquires with woman who stays silent.

Wives are not required to provide evidence against a spouse.

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 Cop asks neighbors who claim the place is a flop house for illegals.  Cop talks to landlord who claims he never saw the guy before and has no idea who he is.  Cop now has reasonable suspicion to investigate whether the guy is an illegal alien so he can refer him to ICE.  

So basically you're saying that someone's claim that the residence is a flop house for illegals is reasonable suspicion?

Bottom line is that in quite a few jurisdictions in the US, immigration matters are federal in nature, and local poliice are not only not required to report suspected or confirmed illegals... in some cases they are prohibited from doing so.

This could very well be a trial balloon to change legislation giving those at the local level some ability to do something in what was traditionally federal jurisdiction. Could be a scenario like the girl scout who sold cookies by offering expensive symphony tickets. When perspective buyers balked at the idea of paying $150 for symphony tickets, she offered them a $3 box of cookies instead which they gladly took her up on. Had she first led with the cookies, her cookie sales might not have been so brisk.

No one is objecting to a crackdown on illegals. the objection is to the methods proposed to do so.

There are far better and far more effective ways that do not infringe on the 4th amendment rights of people.
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