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« Reply #350 on: June 10, 2011, 11:27:52 AM »
Hudson Boaters Angered by Security Checks
Suzanne DeChillo/The New York Times

The Westchester County Police marine unit patrolling the Hudson River near the Indian Point nuclear power plant. Boaters are far more likely to be stopped than they were in the past, law enforcement officials say, but that is just a fact of life after 9/11.

By PETER APPLEBOME




POUGHKEEPSIE, N.Y. — For Bill O’Brien, summer has meant the serene bliss of the Hudson River ever since he went out fishing for stripers as a boy. But last year, after he was stopped once too often by law enforcement patrol boats with armed officers, he decided he had had it. He sold his 22-foot jet boat, convinced that a restful afternoon on the Hudson was just becoming too stressful to enjoy.

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Last year, after being stopped on the river once too often by armed law enforcement officers, Bill O'Brien sold his 22-foot jet boat.
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Boaters near Croton-on Hudson. The authorities say increased vigilance of small boats is needed, given that antiterrorism experts cite


“One time I got stopped four times in one day.” Mr. O’Brien, 45, an M.R.I. technologist from Orange County, said. “It feels like every agency and municipality on the Hudson has a boat, and they’re all out there trying to justify themselves by finding someone doing something wrong. It’s just gotten out of control.”

Ten years after the terror attacks downriver made security checks a commonplace aspect of everyday life, a tea party of sorts is brewing on the Hudson, as boaters and marine businesses complain bitterly about being stopped too often and questioned too closely by officers wearing flak jackets and holstered pistols — many of them on the lookout for terrorists.

And as boating season begins, that vigilance has become one of those vexing flashpoints, like baggage searches and airport body scans, in the shifting definition of what is normal — post-9/11 overreaction to some, and a response to real risks to others.

A petition drive among boaters has generated hundreds of signatures and scores of angry comments. Boat clubs are mulling strategies, and the largest boating-industry group along the river, the Hudson Valley Marine Trades Association, recently wrote the Coast Guard commander in New York to protest “an incredible increase of recreational vessel boarding.”

Boaters say the stops have multiplied in large part because they are only minimally coordinated among roughly two dozen agencies that watch the river: federal authorities, state police from New York and New Jersey, county sheriffs’ departments and a host of other organizations, familiar and obscure, including the Border Patrol and the New York Naval Militia.

But Coast Guard and law enforcement officials say much of their watchfulness reflects a bigger concern: In addition to its quiet joys and natural splendor, the Hudson is home to some potentially rich targets for terrorists — including the Indian Point nuclear power plant, West Point and the Tappan Zee Bridge — and could become a pathway for attackers to reach New York City unnoticed.

Those officials say that, yes, boaters on the Hudson and on other waterways are far more likely to be stopped than they were in the past, but that is just one way in which life has changed.

“We get a lot of complaints, but maritime safety and security has taken on a whole new direction since 9/11 — we’re more proactive, we’re more vigilant,” said Lt. James Luciano, who oversees the Westchester County Police Department’s marine unit. “Before 9/11, you could access buildings more easily than you can today. Look at airport security.”

No one compiles figures for all the agencies patrolling the Hudson, so it is unclear how much enforcement has escalated. The Coast Guard says its boardings vary from year to year, and dropped to 300 last year, from 741 the previous year.

But the authorities say increased vigilance is needed, given that antiterrorism experts cite small boats as a particular threat — as evidenced in the deadly 2008 attacks in Mumbai, India, that were begun from two inflatable speedboats. About 45,000 boats are registered in counties along the Hudson.

Lex Filipowski, a businessman and motivational speaker, said he had been furious about the situation since he was stopped four times in two days by four agencies. “If they stopped cars on the roadways the way they stop boats on the river, there would be a revolution” he said.

As he launched his 25-foot-long boat, “Carpe Diem,” at the Pirate Canoe Club here, another boater, Frank Bergman, seemed as concerned with boating politics as with boating.

“We understand they have a job to do to keep the bridges safe and protect Indian Point, but it’s just overkill,” said Mr. Bergman, president of the Hudson River Boat and Yacht Club, which represents 36 boat clubs. “The question in my mind is, is it homeland security or boater safety or just harassment and justifying their jobs?”

Boaters, a sometimes cantankerous and self-regarding lot, have grumbled for years about the stops, which can involve being pulled over for a check of credentials and required safety gear like life vests, or a demand to board the boat for inspection.

The discontent began to escalate when Mr. Filipowski posted an angry statement and petition last June on the Web site of the magazine Boating on the Hudson. More than 250 people signed, many expressing their own grievances.

“I’m thinking about selling my boat, stopped all the time,” one wrote.

“We are not terrorists and criminals,” wrote another. “We are citizens who own and use boats.”


Marinas and boat sellers, their customers already buffeted by high gasoline prices, also raised alarms. “We are operating in tough economic times and cannot afford to lose customers who are discouraged by law enforcement operations,” Gabe Capobianchi, president of the marine trades association, wrote the Coast Guard last month.

It was not always this way. Before 9/11, some boaters complained of too little law enforcement. “Back then the Hudson felt like the Wild West,” said George Samalot, who has owned a sailboat repair business in West Haverstraw since 1985.

But since the 2001 attacks, security and enforcement have been transformed, aided by grants from the Department of Homeland Security that have underwritten more and better boats and manpower. Westchester County did not have a marine unit until 1999; now it has two high-tech surveillance boats that cost $250,000 and $400,000 and can patrol around the clock.

That can be a good thing. When Detectives Kenneth Hasko and C. J. Westbrook cruised from Tarrytown to Cortlandt one recent Friday, their one stop involved rescuing a couple in a new $40,000 boat with a dead battery, stuck on a sunken barge. The officers found the couple’s knowledge of marine safety and their own boat to be somewhat lacking.

“You have your flares?” Detective Westbrook asked.

“What’s a flare?” the man replied.

They towed the couple in and made sure they got help. “They could have ended up with a new boat with a hole in the hull,” Detective Westbrook said. “And we’re the bad guys?”

Officials say that while they are sensitive to the complaints, there is no going back to the world before 9/11.

“Job No. 1 is keeping people safe,” said Charles Rowe, a Coast Guard spokesman. “Even the ones who are complaining.”



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I deal with this shit EVERY weekend by this assholes.   

I had a coast guard cutter with a .50 cal trained on me down near the empire state building last year. 

I didnt have the fire extinshuisher updated and the guy threatened me w impounding my boat.  They had four guys in BDU's with AR's and glocks and "escorted" me 1 miles north to the marina and made me get my car and tae the boat out of the water over an overdue fire extinshuisher.


The govt is killing everything in this country.   The terrorists have definately won. 

   

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Re: Police State - Official Thread
« Reply #351 on: June 10, 2011, 02:06:55 PM »
Unlawful Police Entry Ruling Could Be Reconsidered (Indiana)
theindychannel.com ^ | 06/10/2011 | uncredited




INDIANAPOLIS -- The Indiana Supreme Court may reconsider its ruling that eliminates the right of homeowners to resist unlawful police entry into their homes.

The attorney for Richard Barnes, whose criminal case in Vanderburgh County led to the court ruling last month, filed a formal petition for a rehearing Thursday.

Barnes' attorney argues the ruling violates the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

"We believe however that a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence," part of the petition read.

The court issued its controversial 3-2 ruling May 12, declaring that Hoosiers no longer had a legal right to resist police officers who are entering their home without a legal basis to do so.

The ruling said homeowners could instead seek legal remedies through court proceedings after the fact.

The decision sparked large public outcry, including from state officials. Seventy-one Indiana lawmakers filed a joint brief with the Supreme Court on Wednesday, asking the court to reconsider its opinion.

Gov. Mitch Daniels and Attorney General Greg Zoeller have publicly questioned the decision.


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« Reply #352 on: June 10, 2011, 02:28:17 PM »
Today I Learned The Department of Education Has a Police Force
Right Across The Atlantic ^ | Mike Merritt





Honestly, the first thing that comes to mind when I think “Department of Education” is No Child Left Behind, followed by a lot of trouble coming up with what else the DOE actually does in the government. Never in my life would I have thought that it contains its own set of federal agents that apparently have the power to raid people’s homes.

Yet, that’s what happened on Tuesday morning, as a California man woke to find feds from the DOE breaking down his door. And it gets uglier:

As Wright came downstairs in his boxer shorts, he said the officers barged through his front door. Wright said an officer grabbed him by the neck and led him outside on his front lawn.

“He had his knee on my back and I had no idea why they were there,” Wright said.

It turns out the agents had the wrong man. Not only the wrong man, but the person they were after wasn’t even a man, but his estranged wife! This poor guy was popped into a police car for six hours in front of his children. I suppose it’s better than the team shooting him down, like happened to Iraq vet Jose Guerena last month, right?

Not really. The militarization of our federal police force(s) has gotten ridiculous. When you hear more about raids than good ‘ol search warrants based on the fourth amendment then something is seriously wrong. Going further, there is absolutely no reason that so many federal agencies need the power to raid homes. The FBI? Sure. The DEA? Okay, I can see that in certain situations.


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« Reply #353 on: June 10, 2011, 07:46:53 PM »
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zero hedge ^ | 6/10/11 | David Galland, Casey Research
Posted on June 10, 2011 8:33:27 PM EDT by Nachum

Police State Amerika

I just had a conversation with constitutional lawyer and monetary expert Dr. Edwin Vieira. I first became acquainted with Dr. Vieira, who holds four degrees from Harvard and has extensive experience arguing cases before the Supreme Court, at our recent Casey Research Summit in Boca Raton, where he spoke on how far off the constitutional rails the nation has traveled. Here is a summary of what he told me…

Dr. Vieira and I covered a lot of ground in our lengthy conversation, most of it related to the U.S. monetary system – its history, nature, and likely fate. But in between the details and analysis of how it is that the nation’s fiscal and monetary affairs have deteriorated to the current dismal state – and how the global sovereign debt crisis is likely to be resolved – a couple of deeply concerning truths emerged.

Concerning because, taken together, these truths have set the stage for a full-blown police state.

The first of these two truths has to do the nature of today’s money. To set the stage, I present the following excerpt from Dr. Vieira’s paper A Cross of Gold related to the original Federal Reserve Act.

Section 16 of the Act provided that:

Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Federal Reserve Board for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks are hereby authorized. The said notes shall be obligations of the United States, and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in gold on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, or in gold or lawful money at any Federal reserve bank.

Observe: From the very first, Federal Reserve Notes were denominated “advances” and “obligations”—that is, instruments and evidence of debt. True “money”, however, is the most liquid of all assets, not a debt that might be repudiated, and certainly not a debt that has been serially repudiated.

And if Federal Reserve Notes were from the start to be “redeemed in gold or lawful money”, they obviously were never conceived to be either “gold” or “lawful money”. So, because by definition the only “money” the law recognizes is “lawful money”, by law Federal Reserve Notes were never (and are not now) actual “money” at all, but at best only some sort of substitute for “money”.

The monetary conjurers’ trick has been, slowly, steadily, and stealthily, to reverse this understanding in the public’s mind. That is, to make the substitute pass for the real thing, and then remove the real thing from the operation.

This subterfuge was not overly difficult to put over. After all, in the term “redeemable currency”, which is the noun and which the adjective? When people deal with a “paper currency redeemable in gold”, the natural uninstructed inclination is to treat the paper currency as “money” and the gold as something else. The paper currency, as the saying goes, is merely “backed” by gold—but of course is not itself gold. And because the currency is not itself gold, the money-manipulators can remove the gold “backing” farther and farther into the background, without affecting the nature of the paper as “currency” (at least nominally).

Thus, a “redeemable currency” can be converted into a “contingently redeemable” or “conditionally redeemable” currency, through temporary suspension of specie payments (as happened repeatedly during the Nineteenth Century); and then into a full-fledged “irredeemable currency”, through permanent suspension of specie payments, as with Federal Reserve Notes after 1933 domestically and 1971 internationally.

Yet, to the average citizen (whose most serious liability is mental inertia), even though a paper currency’s promise of redemption has been dishonored, it nonetheless remains “currency”.

Thus one grasps that the so-called “right to redemption” attached to any paper currency is actually a liability, inasmuch as it exposes the holders of that currency to repudiation, because they possess only the paper, not the gold.

Even in the best of times, the holders of redeemable paper currency are not economically and politically independent. Rather, they depend upon the honesty and the competence of the money-managers.

This is why America’s Founding Fathers, realists all, denominated redeemable paper currency as “bills of credit”. They knew that such bills’ values in gold or silver always depended upon the issuers’ credit—that is, ultimately, the issuers’ honesty and ability to manage their financial affairs.

The unavoidable trouble with “bills of credit”, though, is that they can (and usually do) turn out to be “bills of discredit”, when the holders discover that the money-managers are dishonest and incompetent—or worse, as is the situation today, highly competent at dishonesty. Then the holders of the paper currency (if they are sufficiently astute) realize how unwise it is to allow the gold to be held by the very people with the greatest incentive, and the uniquely favorable position and opportunity, to steal it.

But when the money-managers refuse to redeem their currency, what can the holders of that currency do to protect themselves? Well, what were they able to do in 1933 and in 1971? Nothing. If the holders of Federal Reserve Notes had enjoyed an effective, enforceable “right” to the gold that the Federal Reserve System and the Treasury of the United States promised to pay in redemption of those notes—that is, if the currency had been “redeemable” in the only meaningful sense that redemption was absolutely assured as a matter of law and especially fact—the gold seizures of 1933 and 1971 would never have happened.

Thus, the ostensibly “redeemable” character of paper currency of the pre-1933 and pre-1971 type did not protect the holders of that currency. Instead, it turned out to be the very device used to deceive, defraud, divest, and dispossess them of gold—proving in the most palpable manner that a society’s acceptance of “redeemable currency” is the product of confusion and the invitation to inevitable economic and political disaster.

In our conversation, Dr. Vieira ticked off eight specific ways in which the current monetary system is unconstitutional. While I won’t go into the specifics here, the important thing to understand is that, as currently operated, the federal government has managed to manipulate things to avoid any constitutional restrictions on its ability to spend.

This, of course, gives the government free rein to reward favored voting blocs with expensive social programs, buy fleets of limousines, launch expensive overseas adventures, bail out well-connected donors, and otherwise spend the country into ruin.

To understand why this is so important as a precedent to the evolution of fascism, view the matter in reverse by considering how different things would be if the constitutionally mandated requirement that the government’s currency be redeemable in good money – gold or silver – was still enforced. In that case, the government’s ability to spend would be effectively limited by what it collected in revenues. That, in turn, would have greatly curtailed its ability to grow into the bloated juggernaut it has.

In other words, the American ideal of a limited government would have been hard wired.

As it stands, though, exactly the opposite has been allowed to evolve – unchallenged by anyone, including the Supreme Court. Why has the nation’s highest court chosen not to tackle this clear breach of the Constitution?

According to Dr. Vieira, it is likely because if they were to void the current system as being unconstitutional, they would effectively blow apart the U.S. and global economy. But as they have no authority to even suggest an alternative system, they are faced with the reality that while they have the power to do great damage, they have no power to cushion the blow. And so, the Supreme Court does nothing.

As a result, the ability of the federal government to continue its insane spending and rolling out new initiatives designed to win over voters continues with no legal restraints – the latest example being the health-care initiative.

Put another way, in cahoots with the Fed, the federal government is able to wage war, bail out the banks, foster socialism, and otherwise bankrupt the nation – to do whatever it wants – largely thanks to its continued operation of an unconstitutional monetary system.

It Gets Worse…

The second fundamental truth is that the Supreme Court has been a co-conspirator and instrument of the government’s degradation of individual liberty.

Dr. Vieira and I spent a fair amount of time on this topic – of how the nation’s highest court could let stand the egregious excesses of recent decades; the Patriot Act, Guantanamo, institutionalized torture and renditions, domestic spying, eminent-domain abuses, warrantless searches, etc., etc. In his view, there can be only one of two reasons that the Supreme Court has been so accommodating – one is that the justices are incredibly incompetent, and the other is that they are working within the context of an unseen agenda.

Ruling out the first, his final conclusion is that they are operating with an unseen agenda in mind. In his view, that agenda revolves around the rising potential for widespread social unrest emanating from the nationwide monetary Ponzi scheme. Doing its part to prepare, the Supreme Court has been establishing the precedents necessary for the government to cope with that unrest.

Too radical a thought? Returning to Dr. Vieira’s point – ask yourself how else to explain the Supreme Court’s actions. Are they collectively of low intelligence, or otherwise so stupid as to be unable to understand the Constitution? Or do they now view the Constitution and the Bill of Rights as dead letters, freeing them up to respond to the government’s overheated demands for new and previously unimaginable new “emergency” (read “fascist”) powers?

Is there an alternative explanation?

On this general theme, Dr. Vieira correctly points out that, in order for a fascist state to exist does not require the government to actually arrest anyone – but only that they can arrest anyone. Do you think you broke a law over the past week? I can assure you that every one of you dear readers broke a lot of laws. Sure, you may not have realized you were breaking a law – but, as the old saying goes, “Ignorance of the law is no excuse.”

The Stage Is Set

Unrestricted in its growth by any constitutionally mandated limits on its ability to create and manipulate money – the official currency now being nothing more than IOUs redeemable in nothing more tangible than coins made out of base metal alloys with inflated face values – and supported by a Supreme Court that has unequivocally demonstrated a willingness to ignore or sign off on egregious tramplings of the Constitution, the stage is set for the U.S. government to evolve into something far more dangerous on the domestic front.

All it requires now is a triggering event, and it would be naïve to think that such an event won’t occur. Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not this decade – but when it inevitably does, the federal government already has all the precedents it needs to do “whatever it takes.” This absence of legal restrictions on its actions is the very foundation of fascism.

When I asked Dr. Vieira how the nation has progressed on a scale from 1 to 10 towards becoming a police state, with 10 being a full-blown version, he put us currently at about 7.

There really is no investment angle to be derived from this situation – well, at least nothing new. Owning tangible investments that will hold up in the face of a continued currency debasement continues to make sense – but with the caveat that FDR’s unconstitutional gold confiscation of the 1930s was let stand and there is zero reason to think that the accommodating Supreme Court wouldn’t go along with it again. One would hope to see straws in the wind before any moves toward confiscation would begin. Until those straws start flying, the precious metals – as well as other tangibles – belong as part of your portfolio.

And I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention the importance of politically diversifying your life and your money as one of the few steps you can take to avoid the serious risk that comes from being “all in” in a single jurisdiction.

Some readers have berated me for often writing on what might be considered gloomy topics. To which I would respond: If you are sitting in a theater and see a fire breaking out, would you fail to make others aware of it, because you didn’t want to interrupt their entertainment?

Well, we can see a fire blowing up – the kindling for which has been piled up deep by a series of out-of-control governments. Unless and until there is something akin to an “American Spring.” this fire is going to spread and consume even more of the accumulated wealth of the broader public – and maybe worse.

Do what you can to protect yourself and your families – then get on with your life. You may not be able to do much about the bigger-picture trend, but you can certainly take steps on a personal level to mitigate the ill effects.

Hope for the best, plan for the worst… but then live life to the fullest

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1 posted on June 10, 2011 8:33:29 PM EDT by Nachum
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Bfl.


2 posted on June 10, 2011 8:35:25 PM EDT by Vigilantcitizen (I got a fever and the only prescription is more watermelon trickworm, better known as bass crack.)
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3 posted on June 10, 2011 9:02:40 PM EDT by Paperdoll (No more Bushs!)
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How about a new currency: the Zombie dollar?


4 posted on June 10, 2011 9:15:40 PM EDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in a thunderous avalanche of rottenness heard across the universe.)
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May as well get this ball rolling...

The 16th Amendment

was not ratified! The Income Tax is therefore illegal.
Note: As goes our nation in the push by the Socialist Council on Foreign Relations, so goes the rest of the “free” world. The CFR through its enforcement arm, the Communist United Nations, will eventually eliminate all
freedom in this world. Only you and I can stop it. Removing the funding provided directly by the US Taxpayer (all of our income taxes go out of the country) will be a huge blow to the Elitists who seek to be the world
dictator thru the UN.

{Philander Knox, Sec of State, 1909-1913, the Taft Administration, proclaimed the 16th amendment to be ratified just a few days before he left office in 1913 {sound familiar?}, to make way for the Wilson administration, even though he knew it had not been legally ratified.

Philander Knox had for many years been the primary attorney for the richest men in America, including Carnegie, Rockefeller, Morgan, the Vanderbilts, the Mellons, and others. He had created for them the largest cartel in the world, then was appointed, at their request, as the Attorney General in the McKinley/Roosevelt administrations, where he refused to enforce the Sherman
anti-trust laws against the cartel he had just created.

The income tax amendment was pushed through Congress in 1909 by Sen Nelson Aldrich, father-in-law of John D Rockefeller Jr, and grandfather and namesake of Nelson A Rockefeller, and would not have been ratified if Knox
had not fraudulently proclaimed it so.

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« Reply #354 on: June 11, 2011, 10:20:26 AM »

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« Reply #355 on: June 12, 2011, 10:51:29 AM »
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« Reply #356 on: June 13, 2011, 09:06:39 AM »
THE EDITOR'S COLUMN: America, what is happening here?
Morning Journal ^ | 6/12/11 | Tom Skoch, Editor



HERE’S a story that is so screwy it sounds like a script from “The Simpsons,” but it’s real, and it’s about our federal government at work. That’s what makes it so scary.

At 6 a.m. last Tuesday, a good citizen, Kenneth Wright of Stockton, Calif., was awakened by the clamor of about 15 armed SWAT team members breaking through the front door of his house.

Wearing only his boxer shorts as he came downstairs, Wright was grabbed by the neck and put down on his lawn with an officer’s knee on his back.

His kids, ages 3, 7, and 11 were terrified. Wright, confused and upset, was handcuffed, stuffed into the back of a hot police cruiser and held there for six hours while the agents searched his home.

What’s going on here?

The commandos were armed agents of — really — the U.S. Department of Education. And they bashed their way into his house and held him and his children while they apparently searched for evidence of alleged student loan fraud involving Wright’s estranged wife.

Amazing. Alarming.

Why does the U.S. Department of Education need a SWAT squad? And why would they need to bash their way into an ordinary person’s house and terrorize everyone there at 6 a.m., just to look for student loan paperwork?

Those are good questions for the uber-bureaucrat who requested the search warrant, one Special Agent Howard Nance of the Education Department’s Office of the Inspector General.

But Nance isn’t answering questions. And his Education Gestapo is refusing public requests to explain themselves, citing an ongoing criminal investigation.

Unbelievable. Now faceless bureaucrats can tear up the Fourth Amendment and bash their way into your house brandishing heavy weapons in search of paperwork. And they refuse to explain themselves.

Your papers had better be in order, citizen.

Back in March 2010, I was puzzled to read an obscure account of the Department of Education seeking to buy a couple dozen short-barreled shotguns. Now we know what that was about.

Other unlikely federal bureaucracies have their own armed agents, too, including the Small Business Administration and even the Railroad Retirement Board, according to Quin Hillyer, writing in the Freedom Line Blog at the Center for Individual Freedom, based in Alexandria, Va.

Dealing with government bureaucrats is bad enough, but Americans are really in danger when the bureaucrats can send gunmen to break down your door for any stupid reason they can get a deranged judge to sign off on, as Kenneth Wright and his kids discovered this past week.

There’s no reason for these agencies to have their own little armies. And there’s even less reason for those agents to confront citizens with deadly weapons. Somebody is going to get killed, if for no other reason than negligent handling of those firearms. Check out the YouTube video of a U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency agent who shot himself in the foot while telling a classroom audience he was the only one in the room qualified to handle the pistol he was holding. Now imagine 15 jumpy, macho Education Department commandos with loaded shotguns milling around in your living room.

Apparently all these bureaucratic armed squads in the Executive branch of government have their roots in a law adopted in 1978 setting up Inspector General offices. Shame on Congress for not thinking that one through. Now Congress needs to undo that damage.

Similarly, President Obama needs to tell the Department of Education and all the other oddball armed Inspector General units in his Executive Branch to stand down and turn in their guns before they hurt somebody.

Obama might be a little gun-shy right now, though. That’s because tomorrow, Republican Congressman Darrell Issa of California is to open a congressional hearing into the Project Gunrunner Operation Fast and Furious scandal that has barely made the national news yet.

That’s the scandal in which the U.S. Department of Justice led by Obama crony Eric Holder has been stonewalling congressional inquiries into why the Justice Department’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) allowed hundreds of firearms to be purchased illegally in the U.S. and taken into Mexico supposedly for tracking to narco-gangsters, and how some of those guns the ATF lost track of turned up in connection with the murders of two U.S. agents and who knows how many Mexican citizens.

Whistleblowers indicate that the OK for this insanity went high up into the Justice Department. How could such a dangerous international operation get started without approval of the attorney general or the White House?

And how could anyone who is competent and in their right mind, possibly allow such a ridiculous and potentially deadly scheme to go ahead?

So far, Obama has said only that he and Holder did not authorize the Gunrunner Fast and Furious scheme, which falls short of saying they knew nothing about it.

The answers Rep. Issa is seeking could be, well, explosive.

Meanwhile, make sure not to fudge your college loan paperwork, lest you get a rude awakening at the end of a Department of Education shotgun.

America, what is happening here?

Tom Skoch is editor of The Morning Journal and www.MorningJournal.com, where his Tell the Editor blog appears. He is on Twitter as MJ_Tom_Skoch and can be contacted by e-mail at tskoch@morningjournal.com.

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Re: Police State - Official Thread
« Reply #357 on: June 13, 2011, 12:24:47 PM »
So what is so bad about a police state? If they police and contain the shitbags that are causing the problems in society, isn't that a good thing?

The majority of issues and social rot that is taking place today is due to liberalism and scaling back the policing of society.  If drug addicts wern't typically thieves and con-artists, then society probably wouldn't be so adverse to drug-use.

And another thing... the coast guard isn't going to waste time liek that for a bad fire-extinguisher. There is more to that story. You were probably being a prick and pissed them off.


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Re: Police State - Official Thread
« Reply #358 on: June 13, 2011, 12:28:36 PM »
So what is so bad about a police state? If they police and contain the shitbags that are causing the problems in society, isn't that a good thing?

The majority of issues and social rot that is taking place today is due to liberalism and scaling back the policing of society.  If drug addicts wern't typically thieves and con-artists, then society probably wouldn't be so adverse to drug-use.

And another thing... the coast guard isn't going to waste time liek that for a bad fire-extinguisher. There is more to that story. You were probably being a prick and pissed them off.



Absoutely not.   Out on the water, the last thing you wan to do is piss off the coasties.   They can really ruin your day.   

And I'm not bs'ing one bit on the fire extinguisher.     

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Re: Police State - Official Thread
« Reply #359 on: June 13, 2011, 12:43:44 PM »
Well fortunatly, I'm far enough away from the coast that I typically dont have to deal with them. Most of them I've run across out here are pretty cool.

Must be a New York thing.

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Re: Police State - Official Thread
« Reply #360 on: June 14, 2011, 04:54:48 AM »
SWAT Team Mania: The War Against the American Citizen
ww.rutherford.org ^ | 13 June, 2011 | John W. Whitehead


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“He [a federal agent] had his knee on my back and I had no idea why they were there.”--Anthony Wright, victim of a Dept. of Education SWAT team raid

The militarization of American police--no doubt a blowback effect of the military empire--has become an unfortunate part of American life. In fact, it says something about our reliance on the military that federal agencies having nothing whatsoever to do with national defense now see the need for their own paramilitary units. Among those federal agencies laying claim to their own law enforcement divisions are the State Department, Department of Education, Department of Energy, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and the National Park Service, to name just a few. These agencies have secured the services of fully armed agents--often in SWAT team attire--through a typical bureaucratic sleight-of-hand provision allowing for the creation of Offices of Inspectors General (OIG). Each OIG office is supposedly charged with not only auditing their particular agency’s actions but also uncovering possible misconduct, waste, fraud, theft, or certain types of criminal activity by individuals or groups related to the agency’s operation. At present, there are 73 such OIG offices in the federal government that, at times, perpetuate a police state aura about them.

For example, it was heavily armed agents from one such OIG office, working under the auspices of the Department of Education, who forced their way into the home of a California man, handcuffed him, and placed his three children (ages 3, 7, and 11) in a squad car while they conducted a search of his home. This federal SWAT team raid, which is essentially what it was, on the home of Anthony Wright on Tuesday, June 7, 2011, was allegedly intended to ferret out information on Wright’s estranged wife, Michelle, who no longer lives with him and who was suspected of financial aid fraud (early news reports characterized the purpose of the raid as being over Michelle’s delinquent student loans). According to Wright, he was awakened at 6 am by the sound of agents battering down his door and, upon descending the stairs, was immediately subdued by police. One neighbor actually witnessed the team of armed agents surround the house and, after forcing entry, they “dragged [Wright] out in his boxer shorts, threw him to the ground and handcuffed him.”

This is not the first time a SWAT team has been employed in non-violent scenarios. Nationwide, SWAT teams have been employed to address an astonishingly trivial array of criminal activity or mere community nuisances: angry dogs, domestic disputes, improper paperwork filed by an orchid farmer, and misdemeanor marijuana possession, to give a brief sampling. In some instances, SWAT teams are even employed, in full armament, to perform routine patrols.

How did we allow ourselves to travel so far down the road to a police state? While we are now grappling with a power-hungry police state at the federal level, the militarization of domestic American law enforcement is largely the result of the militarization of local police forces, which are increasingly militaristic in their uniforms, weaponry, language, training, and tactics and have come to rely on SWAT teams in matters that once could have been satisfactorily performed by traditional civilian officers. Even so, this transformation of law enforcement at the local level could not have been possible without substantial assistance from on high.

Frequently justified as vital tools necessary to combat terrorism and deal with rare but extremely dangerous criminal situations, such as those involving hostages, SWAT teams--which first appeared on the scene in California in the 1960s--have now become intrinsic parts of local law enforcement operations, thanks in large part to substantial federal assistance. For example, in 1994, the U.S. Department of Justice and the Department of Defense agreed to a memorandum of understanding that enabled the transfer of federal military technology to local police forces. Following the passage of the Defense Authorization Security Act of 1997, which was intended to accelerate the transfer of military equipment to domestic law enforcement departments, local police acquired military weaponry--gratuitously or at sharp discounts--at astonishing rates. Between 1997 and 1999, the agency created by the Defense Authorization Security Act conveyed 3.4 million orders of military equipment to over 11,000 local police agencies in all 50 states. Not only did this vast abundance of military weaponry contribute to a more militarized police force, but it also helped spur the creation of SWAT teams in jurisdictions across the country.

In one of the few quantitative studies on the subject, criminologist Peter Kraska found in 1997 that close to 90 percent of cities with populations exceeding 50,000 and at least 100 sworn officers had at least one paramilitary unit. In a separate study, Kraska determined that, as of 1996, 65 percent of towns with populations between 25,000 and 50,000 had a paramilitary unit, with an additional 8 percent intending to establish one.

While the frequency of SWAT operations has increased dramatically in recent years, jumping from 1,000 to 40,000 raids per year by 2001, it appears to have less to do with increases in violent crime and more to do with law enforcement bureaucracy and a police state mentality. Indeed, according to Kraska’s estimates, 75-80 percent of SWAT callouts are now for mere warrant service. In some jurisdictions, SWAT teams are responsible for servicing 100 percent of all drug warrants issued. A Maryland study, conducted in the wake of a botched raid in 2008 that resulted in the mistaken detainment of Berwyn Heights mayor Cheye Calvo and the shooting deaths of his two dogs, corroborates Kraska’s findings. According to the study, SWAT teams are deployed 4.5 times per day in Maryland with 94 percent of those deployments being for something as minor as serving search or arrest warrants. In the county in which the Calvo raid occurred, more than 50 percent of SWAT operations carried out were for misdemeanors or non-serious felonies.

This overuse of paramilitary forces and increased reliance on military weaponry has inevitably resulted in a pervasive culture of militarism in domestic law enforcement. Police mimicry of the military is enhanced by the war-heavy imagery and metaphors associated with law enforcement activity: the war on drugs, the war on crime, etc. Moreover, it is estimated that 46 percent of paramilitary units were trained by “active-duty military experts in special operations.” In turn, the military mindset adopted by many SWAT members encourages a tendency to employ lethal force. After all, soldiers are authorized to terminate enemy combatants. As Lawrence Korb, a former official in the Reagan Administration, put it, soldiers are “trained to vaporize, not Mirandize.”

Ironically, despite the fact that SWAT team members are subject to greater legal restraints than their counterparts in the military, they are often less well-trained in the use of force than are the special ops soldiers on which they model themselves. Indeed, SWAT teams frequently fail to conform to the basic precautions required in military raids. For instance, after reading about a drug raid in Missouri, an army officer currently serving in Afghanistan commented:

My first thought on reading this story is this: Most American police SWAT teams probably have fewer restrictions on conducting forced entry raids than do US forces in Afghanistan. For our troops over here to conduct any kind of forced entry, day or night, they have to meet one of two conditions: have a bad guy (or guys) inside actively shooting at them; or obtain permission from a 2-star general, who must be convinced by available intelligence (evidence) that the person or persons they’re after is present at the location, and that it’s too dangerous to try less coercive methods.

Remember, SWAT teams originated as specialized units dedicated to defusing extremely sensitive, dangerous situations. As the role of paramilitary forces has expanded, however, to include involvement in nondescript police work targeting nonviolent suspects, the mere presence of SWAT units has actually injected a level of danger and violence into police-citizen interactions that was not present as long as these interactions were handled by traditional civilian officers. In one drug raid, for instance, an unarmed pregnant woman was shot as she attempted to flee the police by climbing out a window. In another case, the girlfriend of a drug suspect and her young child crouched on the floor in obedience to police instructions during the execution of a search warrant. One officer proceeded to shoot the family dogs. His fellow officer, in another room, mistook the shots for hostile gunfire and fired blindly into the room where the defendant crouched, killing her and wounding her child.

What we are witnessing is an inversion of the police-civilian relationship. Rather than compelling police officers to remain within constitutional bounds as servants of the people, ordinary Americans are being placed at the mercy of law enforcement. This is what happens when paramilitary forces are used to conduct ordinary policing operations, such as executing warrants on nonviolent defendants. Yet studies indicate that paramilitary raids frequently result in misdemeanor convictions. An investigation by Denver’s Rocky Mountain News revealed that of the 146 no-knock raids conducted in Denver in 2000, only 49 resulted in charges. And only two resulted in prison sentences for suspects targeted in the raids.

General incompetence, collateral damage (fatalities, property damage, etc.) and botched raids tend to go hand in hand with an overuse of paramilitary forces. In some cases, officers misread the address on the warrant. In others, they simply barge into the wrong house or even the wrong building. In another subset of cases (such as the Department of Education raid on Anthony Wright’s home), police conduct a search of a building where the suspect no longer resides. SWAT teams have even on occasion conducted multiple, sequential raids on wrong addresses or executed search warrants despite the fact that the suspect is already in police custody. Police have also raided homes on the basis of mistaking the presence or scent of legal substances for drugs. Incredibly, these substances have included tomatoes, sunflowers, fish, elderberry bushes, kenaf plants, hibiscus, and ragweed.

All too often, botched SWAT team raids have resulted in one tragedy after another for the residents with little consequences for law enforcement. Judges tend to afford extreme levels of deference to police officers who have mistakenly killed innocent civilians but do not afford similar leniency to civilians who have injured police officers in acts of self-defense. Even homeowners who mistake officers for robbers can be sentenced for assault or murder if they take defensive actions resulting in harm to police.

And as journalist Radley Balko shows in his in-depth study of police militarization, the shock-and-awe tactics utilized by many SWAT teams only increases the likelihood that someone will get hurt. Drug warrants, for instance, are typically served by paramilitary units late at night or shortly before dawn. Unfortunately, to the unsuspecting homeowner--especially in cases involving mistaken identities or wrong addresses--a raid can appear to be nothing less than a violent home invasion, with armed intruders crashing through their door. The natural reaction would be to engage in self-defense. Yet such a defensive reaction on the part of a homeowner, particularly a gun owner, will spur officers to employ lethal force.

That’s exactly what happened to Jose Guerena, the young ex-Marine who was killed after a SWAT team kicked open the door of his Arizona home during a drug raid and opened fire. According to news reports, Guerena, 26 years old and the father of two young children, grabbed a gun in response to the forced invasion but never fired. In fact, the safety was still on his gun when he was killed. Police officers were not as restrained. The young Iraqi war veteran was allegedly fired upon 71 times. Guerena had no prior criminal record, and the police found nothing illegal in his home.

The problems inherent in these situations are further compounded by the fact that SWAT teams are granted “no-knock” warrants at high rates such that the warrants themselves are rendered practically meaningless. This sorry state of affairs is made even worse by recent U.S. Supreme Court rulings that have essentially done away with the need for a “no-knock” warrant altogether, giving the police authority to disregard the protections afforded American citizens by the Fourth Amendment.

In the process, Americans are rendered altogether helpless and terror-stricken as a result of these confrontations with the police. Indeed, “terrorizing” is a mild term to describe the effect on those who survive such vigilante tactics. “It was terrible. It was the most frightening experience of my life. I thought it was a terrorist attack,” said 84-year-old Leona Goldberg, a victim of such a raid. Yet this type of “terrorizing” activity is characteristic of the culture that we have created. As author Eugene V. Walker, a former Boston University professor, wrote some years ago, “A society in which people are already isolated and atomized, divided by suspicious and destructive rivalry, would support a system of terror better than a society without much chronic antagonism.”

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Re: Police State - Official Thread
« Reply #361 on: June 16, 2011, 07:02:23 AM »

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« Reply #362 on: June 16, 2011, 07:20:10 AM »


Couple things to consider here..

We heard one side of the story. It sounds awful. IF the what was reported turns out to be the facts of the case then the officers over reaction was unprofessional and quite possibly a civil rights violation. If what was reported turns out to be the facts, then the officers will likely be terminated and face civil and or criminal charges.

Having been at similar scenes many many times I can tell you that those kinds of situations are horribly sticky. The officers are trained to consider that scenario as a possible homicide. No assumptions can be made that it is just a suicide as history as shown us that isn't always the case. Any evidence lost or contaminated from the start can impact the end result of the investigation later on. So EMS is working on the subject, step father is over their shoulder, possibly intervening with the process due to being emotionally distraught. Officer, not knowing yet if this is a homicide, if this is the suspect, or if the persons actions are impeding the life saving measures being undertaken attempts to remove the person from the crime scene to A. let the paramedics do their job and 2. Protect the crime scene.

At this point is where the cops lose me. I wasn't there, but I've been at many a suicide, many a traffic fatality where family wants to rush to their childs/mother/dad/daughters side but we can't let them for the above reasons. It is heart breaking to keep them away, it is one of the most difficult things I've had to do, but I just don't believe the need to use force to the extent he was pretty beat up was necessary. I can understand physically removing a person from a crime scene. But you really have to weigh all the facts you have at the moment before deciding how far you have to go with it.

Like I said, I wasn't there, we haven't heard both sides of the story, but it looks bad. Many departments have a policy about not discussing a case like this while it's under investigation. My department used to do that and it drove me crazy. We would have a very legit incident happen, witnesses, video audio to back it up, but our Chief at the time would not make a single comment. So the media would have a field day for months with their version of what happened. By the time the video and audio was released 6 months later showing the officers did an outstanding job, no one cared. Our current Chief doesn't do that and it helps out a lot.
 


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Re: Police State - Official Thread
« Reply #363 on: June 17, 2011, 08:28:28 AM »
County shuts down kids’ lemonade stand, fines parents $500 BARF ALERT!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110617/ts_yblog_thelookout/county-shuts-down-kids-lemonade-stand-fines-parents-500 ^ | 6/17/2011 | Zachary Roth






A more wholesome American scene could hardly be imagined: a bunch of kids selling lemonade on a summer's day.

But local authorities in Montgomery County, Md., saw things differently. They shut down the kids' venture and ended up fining their parents $500.

The Marriott and Augustine kids had set up their stand Thursday right next to the Congressional Country Club in Bethesda, Maryland, where the US Open golf tournament has been taking place--bringing thousands of thirsty fans to the neighborhood. The kids planned to send 50 percent their profits to a charity that fights pediatric cancer. But a Montgomery County inspector said the children needed a vendors' license to run the stand, according to a report from local TV station WUSA9. And after the stand proprietors allegedly ignored a few warnings, the inspector slammed the kids' parents with a $500 fine.

"Does every kid who sells lemonade now have to register with the county?" Carrie Marriott, the mother of one of the would-be entrepreneurs, asked the inspector.

"Cute little kids making five or ten dollars is a little bit different than making hundreds," replied the inspector. "You've got coolers and coolers here."

"To raise money for pediatric cancer," Marriott replied.


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Re: Police State - Official Thread
« Reply #364 on: June 17, 2011, 08:47:48 AM »
Bellevue family sues FBI over 'terrifying' raid
Describing the fear
Keith Hodan | Tribune-Review
Brian Bowling is a Pittsburgh Tribune-Review staff writer and can be reached at 412-325-4301 or via e-mail.
PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Thursday, June 16, 2011



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The lasting impact of the raid on Gary Adams' home became clear in a comment from his 3-year-old granddaughter during a recent trip to the pharmacy.

"She said, 'Granddad. Police. Hide,' " Adams, 57, of Bellevue recalled Wednesday while discussing the federal lawsuit he filed against the officers who burst into his home March 3.

Led by FBI Special Agent Karen Springmeyer, about a dozen officers used a battering ram to enter Adams' rented Orchard Street home in a search for Sondra Hunter, then 35. But Hunter hadn't lived at that address for almost two years, while Adams and his family had been living there for more than a year, according to the lawsuit filed by Adams and 10 other family members.

The family crowded into a Downtown conference room with their lawyer, Timothy O'Brien, to discuss the case.

An FBI spokeswoman referred all calls to the U.S. Attorney's Office, where a spokeswoman declined to comment.

The lawsuit says that officers knew, or should have known, that Hunter no longer lived there. By executing an arrest warrant at a residence that wasn't Hunter's, they violated the family's Fourth Amendment right against unreasonable search and seizure, and their Fifth Amendment right to due process, the lawsuit says.

The officers were part of a local, state and federal task force rounding up more than three dozen people suspected of being members of the Manchester Original Gangsters street gang. Hunter was still at large at the end of the sweep, and court records show that she was living in Long Beach, Calif., at the time. She returned to Pittsburgh when she heard she was wanted by the police.

She is charged with conspiracy and heroin trafficking and is free on a $25,000 unsecured bond.

Adams said he knew Hunter's family from when they lived in Manchester, but there was no other connection between them and no reason for police to believe that Hunter lived in the house.

Other than citations for traffic violations and scalping tickets without a permit, Adams has been a law-abiding citizen.

The incident destroyed his confidence in the police and his ability to sleep through the night, he said.

"They had guns on my wife, my babies. I'd like to know how they would feel -- the people in my house -- if that happened to them," he said.

Denise Adams, 58, said seeing the red dots from the officers' targeting lasers crawl across her children's faces also has cost her faith in law enforcement.

"I don't want to, but this was terrifying," she sobbed.

Duquesne University law professor Bruce Ledewitz said arrest warrants don't give police carte blanche to enter any building because they think a suspect is inside. Instead, such warrants only authorize police to go to the person's residence.

Police usually enjoy "qualified immunity" from lawsuits even when they make mistakes, as long as they were carrying out their duties responsibly, he said. Entering a residence without probable cause, however, would strip the immunity away from those officers.

University of Pittsburgh law professor David Harris said the family faces several obstacles in winning. In particular, he thought it would be tough for them to overcome the officer's qualified immunity because the Supreme Court has repeatedly raised the bar for suing police officers.

"Not only do they have to make a mistake, it has to have been particularly egregious," for them to lose immunity, he said. "They have to be violating a law that was absolutely crystal clear, and they have to have known it."



Read more: Bellevue family sues FBI over 'terrifying' raid - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/pittsburgh/s_742235.html#ixzz1PY4sMjQJ


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Re: Police State - Official Thread
« Reply #365 on: June 20, 2011, 09:05:36 AM »
Bellevue family sues FBI over 'terrifying' raid
Describing the fear
Keith Hodan | Tribune-Review
Brian Bowling is a Pittsburgh Tribune-Review staff writer and can be reached at 412-325-4301 or via e-mail.
PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Thursday, June 16, 2011



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The lasting impact of the raid on Gary Adams' home became clear in a comment from his 3-year-old granddaughter during a recent trip to the pharmacy.

"She said, 'Granddad. Police. Hide,' " Adams, 57, of Bellevue recalled Wednesday while discussing the federal lawsuit he filed against the officers who burst into his home March 3.

Led by FBI Special Agent Karen Springmeyer, about a dozen officers used a battering ram to enter Adams' rented Orchard Street home in a search for Sondra Hunter, then 35. But Hunter hadn't lived at that address for almost two years, while Adams and his family had been living there for more than a year, according to the lawsuit filed by Adams and 10 other family members.

The family crowded into a Downtown conference room with their lawyer, Timothy O'Brien, to discuss the case.

An FBI spokeswoman referred all calls to the U.S. Attorney's Office, where a spokeswoman declined to comment.

The lawsuit says that officers knew, or should have known, that Hunter no longer lived there. By executing an arrest warrant at a residence that wasn't Hunter's, they violated the family's Fourth Amendment right against unreasonable search and seizure, and their Fifth Amendment right to due process, the lawsuit says.

The officers were part of a local, state and federal task force rounding up more than three dozen people suspected of being members of the Manchester Original Gangsters street gang. Hunter was still at large at the end of the sweep, and court records show that she was living in Long Beach, Calif., at the time. She returned to Pittsburgh when she heard she was wanted by the police.

She is charged with conspiracy and heroin trafficking and is free on a $25,000 unsecured bond.

Adams said he knew Hunter's family from when they lived in Manchester, but there was no other connection between them and no reason for police to believe that Hunter lived in the house.

Other than citations for traffic violations and scalping tickets without a permit, Adams has been a law-abiding citizen.

The incident destroyed his confidence in the police and his ability to sleep through the night, he said.

"They had guns on my wife, my babies. I'd like to know how they would feel -- the people in my house -- if that happened to them," he said.

Denise Adams, 58, said seeing the red dots from the officers' targeting lasers crawl across her children's faces also has cost her faith in law enforcement.

"I don't want to, but this was terrifying," she sobbed.

Duquesne University law professor Bruce Ledewitz said arrest warrants don't give police carte blanche to enter any building because they think a suspect is inside. Instead, such warrants only authorize police to go to the person's residence.

Police usually enjoy "qualified immunity" from lawsuits even when they make mistakes, as long as they were carrying out their duties responsibly, he said. Entering a residence without probable cause, however, would strip the immunity away from those officers.

University of Pittsburgh law professor David Harris said the family faces several obstacles in winning. In particular, he thought it would be tough for them to overcome the officer's qualified immunity because the Supreme Court has repeatedly raised the bar for suing police officers.

"Not only do they have to make a mistake, it has to have been particularly egregious," for them to lose immunity, he said. "They have to be violating a law that was absolutely crystal clear, and they have to have known it."



Read more: Bellevue family sues FBI over 'terrifying' raid - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/pittsburgh/s_742235.html#ixzz1PY4sMjQJ


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No, we just wonder why a small percentage of you take relatively isolated incidents (10,000 search warrants a day are run throughout the nation, very few are like this) and try and paint a picture of a police state.

I too want police to do their due diligence when gathering information for search warrants. I think it should be a rare event that something like this happens. I know from experience that if you put the effort in, this should rarely happen. You can not avoid it completely because of various problems like people leaving vacating a house and the new occupants continue paying utilities without changing the names out of convenience. It's rare but it can happen. I think in EVERY case of a search warrant run on the wrong address that police must show they excercised due diligence and circumstances were highly unusual, or they lose in court.     

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« Reply #366 on: June 20, 2011, 09:46:06 AM »
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JUNE 20, 2011.Police Scandals Hobble Prosecutors

Hundreds of Criminal Cases Dismissed in San Francisco Bay Area as Allegations of Law-Enforcement Corruption Persist.

By JUSTIN SCHECK




SAN FRANCISCO—Bay Area prosecutors have been forced to dismiss more than 800 criminal cases in the past year because of allegations of police corruption that include selling drug evidence, conducting unlawful searches and conspiring to get men drunk and then arrest them on drunk-driving charges.


San Francisco District Attorney George Gascon requested that the FBI examine arrests at low-income hotels

.The series of police scandals has taxed the budgets of the district-attorney and public-defender offices, and prompted two federal investigations.

In some cases, defense lawyers found that security-camera videos in residential hotels—showing police making drug arrests—apparently contradicted the officers' sworn statements.

In one case, a suspect was seen in a video of his arrest wearing a different jacket from the one the officers entered into evidence.

Last year, the San Francisco district attorney dismissed about 700 criminal cases after a drug crime-lab worker was accused of stealing evidence. This year, since March, the district attorney has dismissed about 125 cases, mainly felony drug prosecutions.

East of San Francisco in Contra Costa County, the state-run County Narcotics Enforcement Team, or CNET, has been caught up in a widening scandal resulting in the dismissal of 15 cases, according to the county district attorney. The district attorney said earlier this month he was turning the investigation of the cases over to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

The CNET chief, two police officers and a private investigator are charged with a range of gun, drug and other crimes, including selling methamphetamine, steroids and marijuana stolen from evidence lockers.

The four also are charged with masterminding a plot to get men drunk and then arrest them for driving while intoxicated.

In November of last year, prosecutors charge, the private investigator "arranged to have a female decoy" invite men to a bar. The men were going through divorce proceedings in which he represented their wives.

After the man and the decoy drank for a while, one of the police officers would call another and ask him to stop the man's car on suspicion of drunk driving, the indictment says.

Lawyers for the CNET chief and the investigator say their clients admit some wrongdoing and are cooperating with investigators.

Peter Keane, a professor at Golden Gate University School of Law in San Francisco and a former defense lawyer, said the scandals raise questions about whether there is a "systemic problem" in the oversight of state and local narcotics investigators in California. Mr. Keane blames the problem partly on the intrusive nature of drug investigations.

"So much of making drug arrests involves going into somebody's house," he said.

Lt. Troy Dangerfield, a spokesman for the San Francisco Police Department, said no officers have been charged with misconduct, though the investigation is ongoing. He said several officers have been reassigned from undercover duty, and that some dismissed cases could be refiled if officers were cleared of wrongdoing.

George Gascon, appointed district attorney in San Francisco this year after serving as San Francisco police chief since 2009, said the scandals have resulted in his office "having to spend a lot of resources to make decisions on mistakes and bad practices in the past."

Defense lawyers have credited Mr. Gascon with trying to investigate, rather than conceal, the problems. At his request, the FBI is examining arrests made at low-income hotels. The investigation is looking into "allegations that SFPD officers were conducting unauthorized searches," an FBI spokeswoman said.

San Francisco Public Defender Jeff Adachi has held news conferences to show videos that raise questions about police searches. Mr. Adachi said his office is reviewing about 7,000 cases for possible police wrongdoing.

Jesus Reyes, 65 years old, a resident of the Julian House hotel in San Francisco, was arrested Feb. 25 on drug charges. ,In an interview and in court filings Mr. Reyes said that police searched him and a van he was in without his consent.

They took his keys, entered his apartment and searched it, he said.

"I asked them if they had a search warrant, and they just ignored me," Mr. Reyes said.

During the apartment search, police confiscated a laptop computer and camera, and found a small amount of methamphetamine. They arrested Mr. Reyes and jailed him for three days, Mr. Reyes said.

The laptop and camera weren't recorded in the police report as confiscated evidence.

In May, a judge dismissed the case after Mr. Reyes's lawyer obtained a video showing officers entering the room and leaving with bags apparently containing the belongings that were later not booked as evidence.

The police declined to comment on the case.

Write to Justin Scheck at justin.scheck@wsj.com


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« Reply #367 on: June 20, 2011, 10:50:24 AM »
No, we just wonder why a small percentage of you take relatively isolated incidents (10,000 search warrants a day are run throughout the nation, very few are like this) and try and paint a picture of a police state.
 

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« Reply #368 on: June 20, 2011, 11:03:11 AM »
Lawmaker Seeks More Transparency for SWAT Team Raids
Capitol Confidential ^ | 6/20/2011 | Ken Braun


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The part-time mayor of an upper middle class Maryland suburb of Washington, D.C. found himself and his mother-in-law handcuffed in his own home by a Prince George’s County SWAT team one July evening three years ago. His two black Labrador retrievers had been shot dead, the second one from behind as it fled the officers who had broken into the home in a ‘no knock’ raid as part of a drug investigation. Five months later, Berwyn Heights Mayor Cheye Calvo and his entire family had been cleared of all wrongdoing and suspicion, but the county police were still refusing to provide documentation to justify why they had violently entered the home of an innocent man.

One expert analyst on SWAT raids says the use of them for non-violent offenders, let alone innocent targets, has become alarmingly routine, yet way under the public radar because most of the targets are not as high profile as Calvo. A Michigan lawmaker will soon introduce legislation aimed at giving citizens a better look at what their militarily-equipped police teams are up to.


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I wish the law allowed for the homeowner to personally sue these scumbags into poverty.    Maybe they would think twice before playing rambo with peoples' property. 


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« Reply #369 on: June 22, 2011, 07:43:56 AM »

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« Reply #370 on: June 22, 2011, 09:34:01 AM »


The cop was very professional in his demeanor, I'll give him that. The yard issue is irrelevant though it weighs in the citizens favor. For example, I can chase a bad guy, tackle him in your front yard, and be handcuffing him. You can be in your own yard, looking over my shoulder, and I would be right in telling you to get back if I felt exposed to you while performing my job of arresting the individual.

IN this particular case, reviewing the tape, arrest would not be the likely result in most cases. If an officer felt concerned they may ask to frisk the person for weapons before continuing if the person refused to leave the immediate area of the activity. They may position an officer in an "overwatch" position to keep the bystanders in observation. In this case the citizen was in error by refusing the officers request, but the officer was also in error by resorting to arrest to solve the safety concern.

   

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« Reply #371 on: June 22, 2011, 12:48:33 PM »
Yes, but the citizen didn't remove anyone's liberty... The officer did.

which is within an officers pervue. 2 things at work here... Had the citizen obeyed the cops reasonable request of vacating the yard into her home until the situation was over then it ends there. Or, had the officer, rather than using his authority to arrest when a lawful order is disobeyed, resolved the safety concern in another fashion, it would have been fine.

 

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« Reply #372 on: June 22, 2011, 12:54:23 PM »
which is within an officers pervue. 2 things at work here... Had the citizen obeyed the cops reasonable request of vacating the yard into her home until the situation was over then it ends there. Or, had the officer, rather than using his authority to arrest when a lawful order is disobeyed, resolved the safety concern in another fashion, it would have been fine.

 


Screw that.   Its her home, not the officers' fiefdom to bark orders to people.   

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« Reply #373 on: June 22, 2011, 01:22:55 PM »
Exactly... This is her yard... She has to pay the taxes on that property, not him. He is the one trespassing.

Its cops like that I wish got KTFO'd about 50 times over until hey got an attitude adjustment towards those who pay their damn salary, pensions, and benes.

 

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« Reply #374 on: June 22, 2011, 02:07:39 PM »

Screw that.   Its her home, not the officers' fiefdom to bark orders to people.   

I didn't hear any barking.. and a yard is considered under the law in this circumstance as a public place.She was not in her home.  She could not stand in HER yard naked, or waving an assault rifle, nor blaring loud music. There are limitations to her rights in her yard. While I don't agree in THIS case an arrest was necessary to resolve the concerns of the officer, just being in her yard does not negate culpability