Does President Obama Think Our Rights Come from Our Creator?

[Deicide]

Apparently some things never change. 

[Dos Equis]

stella, go ahead and move this thread back to political before BB's head explodes.  I'm really worried about the assclown and don't want him taking out half of political with him.

Hahaha!  This is the board Nazi's way of saying he made a mistake.   

[Hugo Chavez]

hurry stella, he's about to blow

[tonymctones]

Apparently some things never change. 

where you been home slice? how you doing?

[Soul Crusher]

Obama Again Omits ‘Creator’ When Speaking of ‘Inalienable Rights’
CNSnews ^ | September 27, 2010 | Terence P. Jeffrey



Just seven days after he sparked controversy by omitting the word “Creator” when he closely paraphrased the passage from the Declaration of Independence that says all men “are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights,” President Barack Obama again omitted the Creator when speaking about the “inalienable rights” that “everybody is endowed with.”

This time the president was speaking at a Sept. 22 fundraiser for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) at the Roosevelt Hotel in New York City, and his reference to “inalienable rights” was not as close a paraphrasing of the Declaration as it had been the week before.


"And what was sustaining us was that sense that, that North Star, that sense that, you know what, if we stay true to our values, if we believe that all people are created equal and everybody is endowed with certain inalienable rights and we’re going to make those words live, and we’re going to give everybody opportunity, everybody a ladder into the middle class, every child able to go as far as their dreams will take them--if we stay true to that, then we’re going to be able to maintain the energy and the focus, the fight, the gumption to get stuff done,”
Obama said at the DCCC/DSCC event, according to the transcript posted by the White House.


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[Dos Equis]

Why is he afraid to use the word "Creator"? 

[Soul Crusher]

Why is he afraid to use the word "Creator"? 

Beach - you are not as anti-obama as I am.  However - this fits perfectly with everything else.    He is on record hating the const.  etc. 

[Dos Equis]

Beach - you are not as anti-obama as I am.  However - this fits perfectly with everything else.    He is on record hating the const.  etc. 

I'm not really anti-Obama.  I just think he sucks as a president and I hope he loses in 2012. 

Not sure if he hates the Constitution, but this kind of tap dance gives ammunition to people who believe he hates the Constitution.

[Soul Crusher]

I'm not really anti-Obama.  I just think he sucks as a president and I hope he loses in 2012. 

Not sure if he hates the Constitution, but this kind of tap dance gives ammunition to people who believe he hates the Constitution.

beach are you kidding - have you not heard the clips where he says the cont. is fatally flawed along with the nation? 

[Dos Equis]

beach are you kidding - have you not heard the clips where he says the cont. is fatally flawed along with the nation? 

Not sure?  Can you post it? 

[Soul Crusher]

Not sure?  Can you post it? 

I just bumped the thread. 

[Kazan]

Why is he afraid to use the word "Creator"?  

All socialist/communist will not use the word creator God..... because it implies there is higher power than them.

[Arnold jr]

All socialist/communist will not user use the word creator God..... because it implies there is higher power than them.

Exactly. Because if rights come from man, i.e. government, those rights can be changed and/or altered. If rights come from God they are set in stone.

[kcballer]

Wow talk about much ado about nothing. 

I'm all for hating on Obama right now but to get all upset over this is just dumb.  So he left out creator who cares?  Our rights haven't come from a creator and most of you don't believe it anyway.  If you did you wouldn't support 'enemy combatants' and torture because hey we're all given those rights from our creator American born or not.  Apparently some of you forget this rather quickly when discussing detention without trial. 

[Dos Equis]

Wow talk about much ado about nothing. 

I'm all for hating on Obama right now but to get all upset over this is just dumb.  So he left out creator who cares?  Our rights haven't come from a creator and most of you don't believe it anyway.  If you did you wouldn't support 'enemy combatants' and torture because hey we're all given those rights from our creator American born or not.  Apparently some of you forget this rather quickly when discussing detention without trial. 

Your statement is inaccurate, because the rights we have are conditional, regardless of where you believe they originated.

[Arnold jr]

Your statement is inaccurate, because the rights we have are conditional, regardless of where you believe they originated.

Exactly. I have explained this so many times over the years I'm blue in the face.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

*We are granted the right to life on the basis that we exist

*Within that life we are granted the right to liberty, to live as we best see fit.

*Within that liberty we are granted the right to pursue happiness, meaning, own property, own what is ours, to hold and own what we have earned by our hand through liberty, through life.

*Within those 3 rights, if we do things that infringe on any one of those 3 rights of another individual, the condition of our 3 rights is then changed.

*If anything our government does infringes on any one of those 3 rights of the individual, "whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

[Dos Equis]

Exactly. I have explained this so many times over the years I'm blue in the face.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

*We are granted the right to life on the basis that we exist

*Within that life we are granted the right to liberty, to live as we best see fit.

*Within that liberty we are granted the right to pursue happiness, meaning, own property, own what is ours, to hold and own what we have earned by our hand through liberty, through life.

*Within those 3 rights, if we do things that infringe on any one of those 3 rights of another individual, the condition of our 3 rights is then changed.

*If anything our government does infringes on any one of those 3 rights of the individual, "whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Exactly.  There is also the language in the 5th and 14th Amendments that we cannot be "deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law."  Which means these rights can be deprived with due process of law. 

[Arnold jr]

Exactly.  There is also the language in the 5th and 14th Amendments that we cannot be "deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law."  Which means these rights can be deprived with due process of law. 

I think it's important to remember that these rights are granted to citizens of the U.S., those who are not citizens but here legally and to humanity on the whole so as long as what they do is not an infringement upon the mentioned 3 rights of others. Enemy combatants, as someone else mentioned, do not fall within the parameter of having these rights.

[Soul Crusher]

Obama Strips the 'Creator' from Declaration of Independence -- Again
CNSNews ^

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Obama Strips the 'Creator' from Declaration of Independence -- Again Tuesday, October 19, 2010 By Penny Starr

(CNSNews.com) – For the second time in little over a month, President Barack Obama stripped the word "Creator" from the Declaration of Independence when giving a speech.

"As wonderful as this land is here in the United States, as much as we have been blessed by the bounty of this magnificent continent that stretches from the Atlantic to the Pacific, what makes this place special is not something physical. It has to do with this idea that was started by 13 colonies that decided to throw off the yoke of an empire and said, ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that each of us are endowed with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,’” Obama said in Monday's speech. [Emphasis added.]

The Declaration of Independence actually says, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.” [Emphasis added.]

When asked why the president did not use the words "endowed by their Creator" in his Monday speech, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters on Tuesday, "I haven't seen the comments, Lester. But I can assure you the president believes in the Declaration of Independence.”


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[Dos Equis]

We need a head shaking emoticon. 

[Soul Crusher]

We need a head shaking emoticon. 

Go read my thread about Obama turning down the CEO of IBM on cutting fraud.   make sure your nothing throwable is near you.   

[kcballer]

Your statement is inaccurate, because the rights we have are conditional, regardless of where you believe they originated.

So according to you the courts can take away life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness with 'due process'  where is the due process for 'enemy combatants'?  Aren't they from the same creator who gave us these rights according to you?  Or are you agreeing with me that these rights were bestowed by man upon man and have nothing to do with a creator bestowing them upon us?

[Soul Crusher]

So life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is 'conditional'? Conditional on what?  Being born in America or conditional on an elected representative saying so?

YES!   

If you are born in some other country that does not have our Dec. of indep., consti, etc, your rights are subject to mans laws, not the creator. 

Wake up. 

[kcballer]

YES!   

If you are born in some other country that does not have our Dec. of indep., consti, etc, your rights are subject to mans laws, not the creator. 

Wake up. 

Wow talk about God complex.  No wonder we have such a horrible image around the world when citizens like you scream that life outside of America is worth less than life born inside because God chose our rights and chose to bestow them only on Americans. 

[Soul Crusher]

Wow talk about God complex.  No wonder we have such a horrible image around the world when citizens like you scream that life outside of America is worth less than life born inside because God chose our rights and chose to bestow them only on Americans. 

Its beyond your comprehension KC - sorry - I like you more than most - bust this is over your head.