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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2010, 11:37:43 AM »
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I guess Economics and reality is not your strong suit.  

We restrict development in alaska, Gulf, etc etc and that does not = a restriction on supply?  where do you think oil comes from?  walmart?  


and by the way you morons - oil is traded in dollars - so when we devalue the dollar based on Fed proniting schemes to pay off our INSANE level of spending, dollars are worth less, and commodities worth more, hence, silver, gold, oil, food, etc all going up and up and u.  

You think that if we opened up MORE drilling in Alaska that it would change the price? WRONG.

As a matter of fact, many economists believe that by us hording our oil there we are in fact helping ourselves as the OPEC nations have to live with the reality that we can go elsewhere and do not in fact "need" them.

Apparently your reality is different from a lot of peoples.


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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2010, 11:38:54 AM »
You're looking at ONE aspect without taking into account the whole picture.  It is as if you just do not understand that oil will rise no matter how strong a dollar we have or how many environmental disasters we try to create. 

This guy is Canadian but knows his sh*t -

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/commentary/jeff-rubins-smaller-world/

If you seriously want a clue on what oil is going to do and why, read it.  Otherwise keep dithering in the dark about off shore oil and Obama this and that meanwhile failing to grasp the whole picture. 

Yes, i agree there is a massive new demand via china etc. 


However, if we dont do anything to strengthen the supply or denomination it is traded in, i.e. dollars, prioces will go up ever more and more. 


and guess what KC - there is no alternative whatsoever that makes sense. 

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2010, 11:39:53 AM »
You think that if we opened up MORE drilling in Alaska that it would change the price? WRONG.

As a matter of fact, many economists believe that by us hording our oil there we are in fact helping ourselves as the OPEC nations have to live with the reality that we can go elsewhere and do not in fact "need" them.

Apparently your reality is different from a lot of peoples.



Yeah - show me which economists say that and their overalltrack record. 

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2010, 11:46:35 AM »
Yeah - show me which economists say that and their overalltrack record. 

Don't have to... it's common sense.

If you believe that:

A. Natural resources are in fact limited.
B. Using other peoples resources first makes their go away before ours.

Then:

C. Ours will be more valuable in the long run.

It's common sense dude.

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2010, 11:49:30 AM »
Oil May Rise as Federal Reserve Stimulus Plan Weakens Dollar, Survey Shows
By Mark Shenk - Nov 5, 2010 12:00 AM ET

Business Exchange


________________________ ________________________ ________________________ ________


Crude may increase next week after the Federal Reserve announced plans for bond purchases, weakening the dollar, a Bloomberg News survey showed.

Twenty-nine of 49 analysts, or 59 percent, forecast crude oil will rise through Nov. 12. Thirteen respondents, or 27 percent, predicted prices will fall and seven estimate there would be little change. Last week, 54 percent said futures would decline.

The dollar tumbled after the Federal Open Market Committee said on Nov. 3 the central bank will purchase as much as $600 billion of assets through June under a program known as quantitative easing. When the U.S. currency declines investors purchase raw materials as a store of value.

“The market is going higher, higher, higher,” said Peter Beutel, president of Cameron Hanover Inc., a trading-advisory company in New Canaan, Connecticut. “Everything is being interpreted as being bullish here: quantitative easing, inventories that appear to have peaked, equities at new highs for the year, the dollar at new lows for the year and demand that appears to be improving.”

U.S. gasoline inventories fell 2.69 million barrels to 212.3 million last week, the lowest level since Nov. 20, 2009, the Energy Department said on Nov. 3. Supplies of distillate fuel, a category that includes heating oil and diesel, fell 3.57 million barrels to 164.9 million. It was the biggest drop in distillate fuel supplies since the week ended Sept. 19, 2008.

Crude oil for December delivery has increased $5.06, or 6.2 percent, to $86.49 a barrel this week on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Prices are up 7.6 percent from a year ago.

The oil survey has correctly predicted the direction of futures 47 percent of the time since its start in April 2004.


     Bloomberg’s survey of oil analysts and traders, conducted
each Thursday, asks for an assessment of whether crude oil
futures are likely to rise, fall or remain neutral in the coming
week. The results were:

                    RISE      NEUTRAL    FALL
                     29          7        13
To contact the reporter on this story: Mark Shenk in New York at mshenk1@bloomberg.net

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Dan Stets at dstets@bloomberg.net



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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #30 on: December 01, 2010, 11:52:05 AM »
Oil May Rise as Federal Reserve Stimulus Plan Weakens Dollar, Survey Shows
By Mark Shenk - Nov 5, 2010 12:00 AM ET

Business Exchange


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Crude may increase next week after the Federal Reserve announced plans for bond purchases, weakening the dollar, a Bloomberg News survey showed.

Twenty-nine of 49 analysts, or 59 percent, forecast crude oil will rise through Nov. 12. Thirteen respondents, or 27 percent, predicted prices will fall and seven estimate there would be little change. Last week, 54 percent said futures would decline.

The dollar tumbled after the Federal Open Market Committee said on Nov. 3 the central bank will purchase as much as $600 billion of assets through June under a program known as quantitative easing. When the U.S. currency declines investors purchase raw materials as a store of value.

“The market is going higher, higher, higher,” said Peter Beutel, president of Cameron Hanover Inc., a trading-advisory company in New Canaan, Connecticut. “Everything is being interpreted as being bullish here: quantitative easing, inventories that appear to have peaked, equities at new highs for the year, the dollar at new lows for the year and demand that appears to be improving.”

U.S. gasoline inventories fell 2.69 million barrels to 212.3 million last week, the lowest level since Nov. 20, 2009, the Energy Department said on Nov. 3. Supplies of distillate fuel, a category that includes heating oil and diesel, fell 3.57 million barrels to 164.9 million. It was the biggest drop in distillate fuel supplies since the week ended Sept. 19, 2008.

Crude oil for December delivery has increased $5.06, or 6.2 percent, to $86.49 a barrel this week on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Prices are up 7.6 percent from a year ago.

The oil survey has correctly predicted the direction of futures 47 percent of the time since its start in April 2004.


     Bloomberg’s survey of oil analysts and traders, conducted
each Thursday, asks for an assessment of whether crude oil
futures are likely to rise, fall or remain neutral in the coming
week. The results were:

                    RISE      NEUTRAL    FALL
                     29          7        13
To contact the reporter on this story: Mark Shenk in New York at mshenk1@bloomberg.net

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Dan Stets at dstets@bloomberg.net



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Oil was most likely going to rise anyway... It has been rising consistently.

The two are not related, but your mind will continue to fabricate that they are.

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #31 on: December 01, 2010, 11:54:32 AM »
Oil was going to rise anyway - read the Jeff Rubin stuff idiot. 
Abandon every hope...

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #32 on: December 01, 2010, 11:54:46 AM »
 ::)  ::)   Yeah ok TU.


“The market is going higher, higher, higher,” said Peter Beutel, president of Cameron Hanover Inc., a trading-advisory company in New Canaan, Connecticut. “Everything is being interpreted as being bullish here: quantitative easing, inventories that appear to have peaked, equities at new highs for the year, the dollar at new lows for the year and demand that appears to be improving.”    


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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #33 on: December 01, 2010, 11:58:48 AM »
The dollar has been on a pretty drastic slide since 2001 and I believe oil prices trace that decline as well. I will look around  for a chart on it in a bit.

Supply is one thing and exchange rates are another. Both have big hands in what the price of oil is. Of course right now U.S. oil stocks and global oil stocks are at historical highs. I get it that long term supply is only going to get harder and more expensive but the exchange rate and our dollar strength has a very big affect on oil prices at this moment. Long term supply will be priced in as demand rises and stockpiles decrease. But from a day to day, month to month outlook dollar weakness/strength has the most acute affect. For now at least.

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #34 on: December 01, 2010, 12:00:07 PM »
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“The market is going higher, higher, higher,” said Peter Beutel, president of Cameron Hanover Inc., a trading-advisory company in New Canaan, Connecticut. “Everything is being interpreted as being bullish here: quantitative easing, inventories that appear to have peaked, equities at new highs for the year, the dollar at new lows for the year and demand that appears to be improving.”    



So you don't think with the market rising that oil will rise? Are you insane?

Oil was going to rise... If the market rises, it will rise... Oil is going to go up unless something VERY drastic changes it and your opening drilling is not going to get it done.

Oil went up under Bush without any regulation against it and it went up.

You are simply taking quotes and not looking at the big picture.

In this instance you are simply misguided.

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2010, 12:03:24 PM »
So you don't think with the market rising that oil will rise? Are you insane?

Oil was going to rise... If the market rises, it will rise... Oil is going to go up unless something VERY drastic changes it and your opening drilling is not going to get it done.

Oil went up under Bush without any regulation against it and it went up.

You are simply taking quotes and not looking at the big picture.

In this instance you are simply misguided.


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Oil went up under Bush because he had a weak dollar policy.

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« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2010, 12:05:39 PM »
ANALYSIS: Federal Reserve stokes commodity prices, including oil
New York (Platts)--15Nov2010/955 am EST/1455 GMT



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      Oil prices have soared in recent weeks with other commodities as the US
Federal Reserve took steps to boost the economy, with the mere mention of
action sending prices jumping.


     Prior to the Fed's announcement November 3 that the US central bank would
purchase an additional $600 billion of securities for its balance sheet,
commodities were already in the throes of another bull run, either in
anticipation of quantitative easing and/or the result of tighter global
supply/demand balances in petroleum, base and precious metals, grains and
softs -- coffee, sugar, cocoa.

     From November 3 through November 10, when the New York Federal Reserve
announced the tentative outright Treasury operation schedule where $105
billion of purchases including agency debt and mortgage-backed securities
would be received between November 12 and December 9, the run-up in commodity
prices steepened as was the central banks intention.

     Only deflation is worse than inflation.

     From November 2 through November 11, the front-month crude contract on
NYMEX rallied to settle at $87.81/barrel from $83.90/b, up $3.29/b for an
appreciation of 4.22%. The front-month gold contract on COMEX traded up to
$1,403.3/oz from $1,356.90/oz, a gain of $46.40/oz or up 3.42%.

     Front-month wheat on the Chicago Board of Trade climbed to $7.04/bushel
from $6.942, up 9.8 cents, a gain of 1.41% while cotton on ICE US jumped to
$1.4421/pound from $1.3426/pound, plus 9.95 cents/lb, an appreciation of
7.41%.

     The rally in industrial metals in particular was breathtaking with the
front-month silver contract on COMEX soaring $2.569/oz, to $27.405/oz, a
30-year high and an appreciation of 10.34% while copper futures rose 18.35
cents/pound to $4.0225/lb, a gain of 4.78%.

     In just about all of these futures markets, the rally was well underway
end-October and the rally in the first two weeks of November was simply a test
of even higher prices.

     Already in the first nine months of 2010, the US consumer price index was
a little hotter than in 2009. In 2009 there were eight consecutive months
where consumer prices were lower in percentage terms than the same month in
2009, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and resulting in
deflationary concerns.

     The last time consumer prices in the US were lower than the previous year
and for several consecutive months was 1955 when GDP was 7.5%. GDP for 2009
was down 2.6%, according to the most recent data from the Bureau of Economic
Analysis. 

     By contrast, in October, the consumer price index in China went up by
4.4% year-over-year, or 0.8 percentage points higher than the September rise
this year, the National Bureau of Statistics in China reported Friday, while
producer prices for manufactured goods went up by 5.0% year-over-year, or 0.7
percentage points higher than in the previous month.

     The data out of China raises the specter of an increase in reserve
requirements which the People's Bank of China has already done once this year
to slow the rate of economic growth by tightening lending.

     Insofar as the commodity complex is concerned, which will have the
greater impact on prices -- a slowdown in the rate of growth in China or
quantitative easing in the US.

     China, India, Brazil and other emerging markets such as the Middle East
were behind the run-up in global commodity prices over the past eight years,
not the developed market economies. Any slowdown in those regions which would
be induced by a tightening in interest rates to slow the pace of economic
growth would probably more than offset cheap money in the US. 

      --Linda Rafield, linda_rafield@platts.com



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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #37 on: December 01, 2010, 12:07:29 PM »

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Oil went up under Bush because he had a weak dollar policy.

So there's all these reasons why oil went up, but it's always the governments fault. I really see where you're coming from now.

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #38 on: December 01, 2010, 12:09:58 PM »
So there's all these reasons why oil went up, but it's always the governments fault. I really see where you're coming from now.

Most of the times - yes.  The govt alters the prices va restricting supply and refining capacity, destroying he value of the denomination that oil is traded in (U.S. Dollars), law suits, taxes, etc etc. 


 

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #39 on: December 01, 2010, 12:28:17 PM »
Most of the times - yes.  The govt alters the prices va restricting supply and refining capacity, destroying he value of the denomination that oil is traded in (U.S. Dollars), law suits, taxes, etc etc. 


 

you have no clue of what you speak of. Refining capacity has been at 100% for years now. There arent enough refinieries..bunch of land.. would be smart... but environmentalists wont sign off on it.. there hasnt been a new refinery in like 30 years.. and when one goes down from like a fire or something.. the prices rise too.. i think the solution is more refineries or chale from the rockies

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #40 on: December 01, 2010, 12:30:12 PM »
you have no clue of what you speak of. Refining capacity has been at 100% for years now. There arent enough refinieries..bunch of land.. would be smart... but environmentalists wont sign off on it.. there hasnt been a new refinery in like 30 years.. and when one goes down from like a fire or something.. the prices rise too.. i think the solution is more refineries or chale from the rockies

That was my point.  We can't get approval for new refineries due to greenie lawsuits, epa, etc etc.  . 

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #41 on: December 01, 2010, 12:32:16 PM »
That was my point.  We can't get approval for new refineries due to greenie lawsuits, epa, etc etc.  . 
but its not a government cap on existing refineries... they are runnun at 100%

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #42 on: December 01, 2010, 12:35:50 PM »
but its not a government cap on existing refineries... they are runnun at 100%

no kidding.  We have not allowed a new refinery in years and years. 

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« Reply #43 on: December 01, 2010, 12:49:22 PM »
no kidding.  We have not allowed a new refinery in years and years. 

I dad was a regional Exect with Unocal for like 22 years (till they got baught out by circle K) they told my dad that in order to keep is position we would have to move to AZ..

but anyway my daddy was on this massive research team that were crunching the numbers for oil production, sells etc.. and the cost for that oil shale and building refineries. But at the time no one forcasted these finincial times.The price was crunched down to like $38/barrell for shale, but the cost of crude was still like $29 so it wasnt cost effective at the time.  But if we would have made the investment and built those refineries back 15 years ago in the rockies.. we wouldnt need the middle east. Its estimated there is more shale in the Co Rockies than in all of Saudi.. Look it up im sure its some stuff on it.. Im just giving you what my dad would tell me over the years.

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« Reply #44 on: December 01, 2010, 12:52:52 PM »
I dad was a regional Exect with Unocal for like 22 years (till they got baught out by circle K) they told my dad that in order to keep is position we would have to move to AZ..

but anyway my daddy was on this massive research team that were crunching the numbers for oil production, sells etc.. and the cost for that oil shale and building refineries. But at the time no one forcasted these finincial times.The price was crunched down to like $38/barrell for shale, but the cost of crude was still like $29 so it wasnt cost effective at the time.  But if we would have made the investment and built those refineries back 15 years ago in the rockies.. we wouldnt need the middle east. Its estimated there is more shale in the Co Rockies than in all of Saudi.. Look it up im sure its some stuff on it.. Im just giving you what my dad would tell me over the years.

That is my point.  everyone always says no to more development, expolration, etc, and says . . . if only we did it a few years ago.   

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #45 on: December 01, 2010, 12:54:10 PM »
That is my point.  everyone always says no to more development, expolration, etc, and says . . . if only we did it a few years ago.   

yeah well.. whaddya gonna do...


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« Reply #46 on: December 01, 2010, 06:34:42 PM »

333 You really know how to tease a gal don'tcha?
When $5 a gallon gas returns, I will be all smiles.
I've got my ducks in a row there and my income will only surge!
 
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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2010, 07:44:39 AM »
Notice how oil is spiking now? 

Paid $3.30 this morning and its going up. 


Weak Dollar policy and Obama's agenda are making things much worse. 

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #48 on: December 04, 2010, 01:40:52 PM »
Notice how oil is spiking now? 

Paid $3.30 this morning and its going up. 


Weak Dollar policy and Obama's agenda are making things much worse. 

OMG...close your trap...do you blame GW for 4.60 prices in summer 08?...no you dont..

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #49 on: December 04, 2010, 01:44:11 PM »
Bush had a weak dollar policy as well.