Mike Mentzer clip after Mr.O 1980

[Viking11]

None of this black and white thinking. Mentzer would not approve of this logic. Because I believed he exaggerated doesn't mean that I think he's full of shit. I've been a Mentzer fan and following his general principles since 1970, probably before you were even born.

When Mentzer says that a with a properly conducted workout session you should make improvement after each and every workout is just simply wrong. He never did it and nobody else did it. If you made a discernible improvement after every workout you'd be 400 pounds of muscle in 5 years.

Of course every time you failed to make gains he would just say that you did something wrong. You will find that out soon enough when you fail to get your 16 inch arm at 7%. Or have you now drop that down to 15" -- down from the original 17"?

He meant improvements in strength.- ie either in weight or reps- or both.  He knew  growth usually went in cycles- in fact he said he was one of those people who would gain in strength for months with no discernable gains in size, then boom would find himself several lbs heavier. he almost gave up severeal times in fact because of those periods when he was younger. He said peopel who gained constantly or consistently in weight and size were the exception and most gained in cycles.

[dyslexic]

He meant improvements in strength.- ie either in weight or reps- or both.  He knew  growth usually went in cycles- in fact he said he was one of those people who would gain in strength for months with no discernable gains in size, then boom would find himself several lbs heavier. he almost gave up severeal times in fact because of those periods when he was younger. He said peopel who gained constantly or consistently in weight and size were the exception and most gained in cycles.

Yeah, "most gained in "CYCLES..." was right.

[pellius]

I actually had a phone consultation back in 2000 with him, and I just couldn't bring myself to train only once a week, as he suggested. And he did in fact call me a wild horse that needed to be bit and bridled. It would be nice to have some fit and sexyass female bit and bridle me ROFL!

Dude, by your own admission you quite training completely for 8 years. LOL that it's IMPOSSIBLE for you to train less.

[andreisdaman]

Yeah, "most gained in "CYCLES..." was right.

good one

[pellius]

He meant improvements in strength.- ie either in weight or reps- or both.  He knew  growth usually went in cycles- in fact he said he was one of those people who would gain in strength for months with no discernable gains in size, then boom would find himself several lbs heavier. he almost gave up severeal times in fact because of those periods when he was younger. He said peopel who gained constantly or consistently in weight and size were the exception and most gained in cycles.

You, nor anybody else, will gain in strength after every workout indefinitely. You will hit a plateau very quickly. In a few years, maybe 3-5 depending on many factors. Then it's just a matter of drugs. How much and which ones you take. Just like Mike and Ray did. I knew someone very close to Ray who work as his chiropractor whom I also became close with. And Ray didn't fry his kidneys from Advil.

[pellius]

Yeah, "most gained in "CYCLES..." was right.

LMAO! Spot on!

[Viking11]

You, nor anybody else, will gain in strength after every workout indefinitely. You will hit a plateau very quickly. In a few years, maybe 3-5 depending on many factors. Then it's just a matter of drugs. How much and which ones you take. Just like Mike and Ray did. I knew someone very close to Ray who work as his chiropractor whom I also became close with. And Ray didn't fry his kidneys from Advil.

Well I trained for 23 years so no that isn't going to happen. But I didnt strength plateau that fast. As of my last show last year, I was still getting stronger- at age 50..  Maybe thats why I get called an anomoly, lol . But bear in mind that it could even be one rep- that's still an increase. And if you aren't getting better, why be in the gym? Its still progressive resistance training, no matter what system you use right?

[BayGBM]

Wow, I wish I could un-see that.

If the question should ever be asked "Is Mike Metzer a queer mental patient"?

This video shall be considered Exhibit A

Gayness for sale! 

[dj181]

Yeah, that's true that I hadn't trained regularly for nearly 8 years, just here and there. But the problem with me is either it's all or nothing. Either I train nearly every goddamn day, or I train once a month lol The whole key here is to TRAIN WITH GREATER AND GREATER TRAINING LOADS. If you can do this your muscles WILL GROW. So now the question becomes: How does one train to enable themselves to train with greater and greater loads? I firmly believe that the last nearly impossible rep plays a HUGE ROLE in enabling one to use greater and greater training loads.

[andreisdaman]

Well I trained for 23 years so no that isn't going to happen. But I didnt strength plateau that fast. As of my last show last year, I was still getting stronger- at age 50..  Maybe thats why I get called an anomoly, lol . But bear in mind that it could even be one rep- that's still an increase. And if you aren't getting better, why be in the gym? Its still progressive resistance training, no matter what system you use right?

Nice to see you are still going strong, pun intended..I am almost 50 as well and I am stronger than I have ever been....what is your regimen?...you train everyday?....how's your recovery?..diet?

[pellius]

Well I trained for 23 years so no that isn't going to happen. But I didnt strength plateau that fast. As of my last show last year, I was still getting stronger- at age 50..  Maybe thats why I get called an anomoly, lol . But bear in mind that it could even be one rep- that's still an increase. And if you aren't getting better, why be in the gym? Its still progressive resistance training, no matter what system you use right?

Many reasons to train when you are no longer progressing size and strength wise. Not the least being for health and fitness. Did you give up training because you stopped progressing?

[pellius]

Yeah, that's true that I hadn't trained regularly for nearly 8 years, just here and there. But the problem with me is either it's all or nothing. Either I train nearly every goddamn day, or I train once a month lol The whole key here is to TRAIN WITH GREATER AND GREATER TRAINING LOADS. If you can do this your muscles WILL GROW. So now the question becomes: How does one train to enable themselves to train with greater and greater loads? I firmly believe that the last nearly impossible rep plays a HUGE ROLE in enabling one to use greater and greater training loads.

Discipline is not only doing things you don't particularly want to do it's also NOT doing things that you want to do. I'm sure if you put your strong will in gear you might find the strength and heart to not workout that day. Come on dj, seriously.

Just like everybody has a limit to how much muscle you can put on there is also a limit to how strong you can be. You will find that out soon enough when you're 3 phase "project" does not yield the results you had hoped.

[dj181]

Allright man, maybe I have some false pride in regards to the results that I will get during my 3 Phase Project, but what you need to remember it that this is also a learning and "remembering" experience for me. For example, I "remembered" that striping fat fast requires both ultra lo cals AND daily hard aerobic training. And quite honestly I keep hammering in this heavier and heavier training loads=bigger and bigger muscles just to remind myself of this "truth" coz if I don't then I WILL find ways to pussy out and not try to train hard.

[Viking11]

Nice to see you are still going strong, pun intended..I am almost 50 as well and I am stronger than I have ever been....what is your regimen?...you train everyday?....how's your recovery?..diet?

\Right now I dont have one. Recently relocated and don't have a gym yet. Prior to that I was training 3 x a week for the Masters Nationals and the North Americans,  Down shifted when I was in souh Carloina working for Defendis (and starving)...  I plan to start up this month when I get a place to train, going twice a week for the first months and then going from there. Recovery NEVER was great, lol even in my teens, thats why  I went for HIT was not recovering and growing on anything else.. Diet when I am going seriously is med pro. med carbs, lower in fats, except EFA's.