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Re: Before Pro Bodybuilding
« Reply #50 on: April 01, 2011, 12:39:27 AM »
Yes, "classic BB" is the most prominent class in Europe, much more competitors than in "real" BB.

Also a much better alternative than the boardshorts Bullshit.

In the UK the Classic classes have no more competitors than any other class, usually less in fact...furthermore it is seen as less important than the weight classes by most IMO.

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Re: Before Pro Bodybuilding
« Reply #51 on: April 01, 2011, 12:46:16 AM »
I miss the old days !! :(

I remember entering my first power meet back in 1974 in Boston,and waiting until midnight for the physique contest to start.................ba sketball gym,one light slung over the basketball hoop,(it created great shadows),black backdrop,posing dias with three levels for 1st. through 3rd. place,Len Archambault winning the show and his training partner a then unknown Manny Perry taking 2nd.place.

I was also saw Arnie,Franco,Katz,Lou,Dickerson,Boyer Coe..............these guys today IMO,pale by comparison.

Guys looked like live sculpture back then not elephants in thongs!!

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Re: Before Pro Bodybuilding
« Reply #52 on: April 01, 2011, 01:05:16 AM »
Thanks a lot.

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Re: Before Pro Bodybuilding
« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2011, 01:14:58 AM »
I see several posts here that suggest bodybuilding will never go back to what it once was. I am not sure what years this refers to, but let's say the 1960's. In the 1960's competitive bodybuilders did use steroids, but not to the extent they do today and the array and use of bodybuilding enhancing drugs and supplements was not as far reaching or sophisticated as it is today. Over all, competitive bodybuilders were a lot smaller than they are today. To my way of thinking, they were also more symmetrically pleasing.

Eventually, bodybuilders will have gotten about as big as is humanly possible. In order to be a winner one will have to bring something new to the stage. It is not unthinkable that there will be a trend towards healthier and more natural looking bodybuilders in the future. Bodybuilding like anything else isn't static. What is popular one day becomes unpopular the next.

One thing that has changed for sure is that even the average Joe doesn't look the same as the average Joe from the 1960's did. This could be because, steroids and supplements aside, most foods today are genetically manipulated, such as using hormones to grow bigger chickens or hybridizing tomatoes to make them meatier and larger. We eat this stuff. Who knows what it is doing to us. Personally, I think this is part of what is responsible for the increase in obesity today.

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Re: Before Pro Bodybuilding
« Reply #54 on: April 01, 2011, 02:39:21 AM »
No one can control or dictate what anybody takes or uses. As far as I'm concern a person can take and use anything they want. What matters is the standards used in judging the winner. If a person is drowning in GH and insulin but comes on stage looking like Bob Paris then he should win. Whatever someone is taking or not taking if they have a huge gut, marshmellow looking muscles, and oil filled biceps then they should lose.

Bodybuilders do what they do because they are rewarded for it. I truly doubt that the majority of them like doing what they have to do to win. Who wants to gorge themselves with food all the time and walk around at 5'9" 300lbs most of the year. They do what they have to do to win.

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Re: Before Pro Bodybuilding
« Reply #55 on: April 01, 2011, 09:15:52 AM »
pro bodybuilding should go back to fellas who compete 180-240lb,, it should be back to where it was 1970 and 1980,, no insulin what so ever,,gh is fine but no abuse ,,and all you can eat aas buffet which is ok and actualy develop the muscle and not just blow it up...

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I totally agree here.  We know from roughly 100 years of bodybuilding history that pretty much no human has looked their best over 240 lbs.  The most genetically elite guys with modern drug use (Dorian & Ronnie) were arguably better in the high 240's, but that's nitpicking.  The most glaring difference between then and now is bodyweight, always added in all the wrong places.  The judges would have to mark down for suspected SEO, but otherwise just set a weight limit.  No weigh-in 2 days early either, weigh in when you arrive to pre-judging.

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Re: Before Pro Bodybuilding
« Reply #56 on: April 01, 2011, 09:46:13 AM »
bodybuilding has always been a contest of who can take the most drugs

you can't expect to duplicate the ironage by simply down-sizing the physiques

a physique built on dbol and test will look different from one on tren and gh

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Re: Before Pro Bodybuilding
« Reply #57 on: April 01, 2011, 10:47:44 AM »
I see several posts here that suggest bodybuilding will never go back to what it once was. I am not sure what years this refers to, but let's say the 1960's. In the 1960's competitive bodybuilders did use steroids, but not to the extent they do today and the array and use of bodybuilding enhancing drugs and supplements was not as far reaching or sophisticated as it is today. Over all, competitive bodybuilders were a lot smaller than they are today. To my way of thinking, they were also more symmetrically pleasing.

Eventually, bodybuilders will have gotten about as big as is humanly possible. In order to be a winner one will have to bring something new to the stage. It is not unthinkable that there will be a trend towards healthier and more natural looking bodybuilders in the future. Bodybuilding like anything else isn't static. What is popular one day becomes unpopular the next.

One thing that has changed for sure is that even the average Joe doesn't look the same as the average Joe from the 1960's did. This could be because, steroids and supplements aside, most foods today are genetically manipulated, such as using hormones to grow bigger chickens or hybridizing tomatoes to make them meatier and larger. We eat this stuff. Who knows what it is doing to us. Personally, I think this is part of what is responsible for the increase in obesity today.


In my case it would have been the mid-70's through about or close to the end of the 80's.

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Re: Before Pro Bodybuilding
« Reply #58 on: April 01, 2011, 10:56:32 AM »
No it wasn't, back then we trained and we trained hard, back then drugs were really the finishing touches and training came first. Not so today. today drugs come first, training second. As far as being gay? Sure there were gay bodybuilders but nothing like it is today as far as I know. But in all fairness, there were no computers, no internet and gossip and opinion boards, obviously, but the ones that were (are) gay kept it to themselves and acted like professionals, a word that can rarely be used in todays industry. I remember going to shows and seeing my favorite pros signing autographs, waring a suit and tie, dressed nicely....like professionals.

And if not a suit and tie, they wore dress slacks, dress shoes and a real nice shirt. Yes drugs were the finishing touches and training came first. It also wasn’t uncommon that if you were serious and trained hard a Pro would come over to spot or encourage you on a set, offer genuine advice and invite you to train with them. That’s how I ended up training with Danny Padilla, Bill Grant, Rick Valente (not a Pro but a real good guy), Samir Bannout, the Mentzers and was coached my Rory. That would have never happened if they had seen me training like a wuss.  

You could walk up to Casey Viator, Chris Dickerson, Larry Jackson, Robert Jodkiewicz or any one of a dozen recognizable names and offer a spot or some encouragement and they would open up and welcome the interaction which happened on a regular basis. No one (at least that I’m aware of) looked at you like they were better than you or that you had some ulterior motive. It was called camaraderie.

Drugs were prevalent but everyone seemed to stay in the 300-500 total milligrams per week dosage. It was rare to hear of someone doing more than that and when we did the guys were considered psycho.

We didn’t have donkey calf machines and donkey calf raises were part of a normal leg workout. I guess to an outsider that would have seemed gay. Glad someone invented the machine.  
    
The sport wasn’t gay but as always there were gays at the shows. I’ve known just about every name from the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s and only met 4 who I knew to be gay. However, I had never encountered so many gays as there were in Santa Monica when I first moved here in 1980. It was like here a gay, there a gay, everywhere a gay, gay. Venice beach had a whole section that was “the gay section”. But that had nothing to do with bodybuilding. It seemed to be geographic because when I moved to the South Bay (Redondo Beach/Torrance) the ratio of gay to straight people seemed more balanced.  

Two of the three known ‘steroid doctors’ were gay guys who went to them, had deal with that or go to the black market. Fortunately, I went the Dr. Kerr in San Gabriel and he was the straight one.
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Re: Before Pro Bodybuilding
« Reply #59 on: April 01, 2011, 11:02:31 AM »
How about someone do some "classic" bodybuilding shows like they had at the arnold amateur this year??

They do it in europe. How about bringing that division to the states.

Reward conditioning, small waist, proportionate and symmetrical physiques.

nah, it doesnt work the way you think it will, the way its set out all the physiques you think would win are still too heavy to enter, so all you end up with is underdeveloped and alot of the time unsymmetrical physiques

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Re: Before Pro Bodybuilding
« Reply #60 on: April 01, 2011, 11:08:01 AM »
compared to other sports, it's not really about the money today either

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Re: Before Pro Bodybuilding
« Reply #61 on: April 01, 2011, 11:18:31 AM »
No one can control or dictate what anybody takes or uses. As far as I'm concern a person can take and use anything they want. What matters is the standards used in judging the winner. If a person is drowning in GH and insulin but comes on stage looking like Bob Paris then he should win. Whatever someone is taking or not taking if they have a huge gut, marshmellow looking muscles, and oil filled biceps then they should lose.

Bodybuilders do what they do because they are rewarded for it. I truly doubt that the majority of them like doing what they have to do to win. Who wants to gorge themselves with food all the time and walk around at 5'9" 300lbs most of the year. They do what they have to do to win.

theres guys doing this who dont even compete... some just love being big

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Re: Before Pro Bodybuilding
« Reply #62 on: April 01, 2011, 11:30:53 AM »
Who wants to gorge themselves with food all the time and walk around at 5'9" 300lbs most of the year. They do what they have to do to win.

That's why there needs to be a weight limit.  Don't leave it up to the judges and competitors to determine the look.  These guys don't like walking around at 300+ lbs anyways, sweating and out of breath all the time.   

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Re: Before Pro Bodybuilding
« Reply #63 on: April 01, 2011, 12:21:10 PM »
nah, it doesnt work the way you think it will, the way its set out all the physiques you think would win are still too heavy to enter, so all you end up with is underdeveloped and alot of the time unsymmetrical physiques


yep...they have weight limits based on competitor's height...i think these are the current limits:
168 cm or less (max weight: height – 100 + 0 kgs)
171 cm or less (max weight: height – 100 + 2 kgs)
175 cm or less (max weight: height – 100 + 4 kgs)
180 cm or less (max weight: height – 100 + 6 kgs)
Over 180 cm   (max weight: height – 100 + 8 kgs)

So competitor being 180cm (around 5'11) tall could weigh (180-100+6)kgs = 86kgs = 189lbs
And liar priest being 162cm (around 5'4) tall could weigh (162-100)kgs = 62kgs = 136lbs

so yes, kinda twinks compared with current guys...but still pretty muscular if in contest shape and just at the weight limit...but the think in some countries is that these guys, unlike "real" bodybuilders are really tested, both in contests and during their off-season...however, there's big national differences in doping protocol and in many southern and eastern europe countries testing is quite non-existent but in scandinavia it's a whole another thing...

This guy, Peter Wilenius, is the 2009 or 2010 finnish champion, i'm not sure about the year, did ok at the worlds too


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Re: Before Pro Bodybuilding
« Reply #64 on: April 01, 2011, 01:02:43 PM »
And if not a suit and tie, they wore dress slacks, dress shoes and a real nice shirt. Yes drugs were the finishing touches and training came first. It also wasn’t uncommon that if you were serious and trained hard a Pro would come over to spot or encourage you on a set, offer genuine advice and invite you to train with them. That’s how I ended up training with Danny Padilla, Bill Grant, Rick Valente (not a Pro but a real good guy), Samir Bannout, the Mentzers and was coached my Rory. That would have never happened if they had seen me training like a wuss.  

You could walk up to Casey Viator, Chris Dickerson, Larry Jackson, Robert Jodkiewicz or any one of a dozen recognizable names and offer a spot or some encouragement and they would open up and welcome the interaction which happened on a regular basis. No one (at least that I’m aware of) looked at you like they were better than you or that you had some ulterior motive. It was called camaraderie.

Drugs were prevalent but everyone seemed to stay in the 300-500 total milligrams per week dosage. It was rare to hear of someone doing more than that and when we did the guys were considered psycho.

We didn’t have donkey calf machines and donkey calf raises were part of a normal leg workout. I guess to an outsider that would have seemed gay. Glad someone invented the machine.  
    
The sport wasn’t gay but as always there were gays at the shows. I’ve known just about every name from the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s and only met 4 who I knew to be gay. However, I had never encountered so many gays as there were in Santa Monica when I first moved here in 1980. It was like here a gay, there a gay, everywhere a gay, gay. Venice beach had a whole section that was “the gay section”. But that had nothing to do with bodybuilding. It seemed to be geographic because when I moved to the South Bay (Redondo Beach/Torrance) the ratio of gay to straight people seemed more balanced.  

Two of the three known ‘steroid doctors’ were gay guys who went to them, had deal with that or go to the black market. Fortunately, I went the Dr. Kerr in San Gabriel and he was the straight one.


Speaking of Rory, I just found out a couple of weeks ago he was dating my ex-wife (#1) and they just broke up after something like a year, no wonder why he wasn't returning my calls...LOL!

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Re: Before Pro Bodybuilding
« Reply #65 on: April 01, 2011, 01:05:41 PM »
Drugs were prevalent but everyone seemed to stay in the 300-500 total milligrams per week dosage. It was rare to hear of someone doing more than that and when we did the guys were considered psycho.
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Re: Before Pro Bodybuilding
« Reply #66 on: April 01, 2011, 01:14:26 PM »
Tbombz, one conversation you should seriously stay out of are the ones where people like myself and Maxrep were actually apart of. I'm 100% serious on this one.

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Re: Before Pro Bodybuilding
« Reply #67 on: April 01, 2011, 01:16:45 PM »
Tbombz, one conversation you should seriously stay out of are the ones where people like myself and Maxrep were actually apart of. I'm 100% serious on this one.
legal steroids accessible and affordable for everyone, yet nobody uses more than 300-500mg per week coach?  ::)  ::)

theres a plethora of guys from back in the day that talk about chewing handfuls of dbol like they were candy multiple times per day

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Re: Before Pro Bodybuilding
« Reply #68 on: April 01, 2011, 01:19:49 PM »
Not saying there weren't but the vast majority didn't, there were always a few that thought more was better. But we knew, especially the pros that went to Kerr, what they took and how much.

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Re: Before Pro Bodybuilding
« Reply #69 on: April 01, 2011, 01:25:41 PM »
Not saying there weren't but the vast majority didn't, there were always a few that thought more was better. But we knew, especially the pros that went to Kerr, what they took and how much.
  and you walked to school 20 miles up hill in the snow both ways right.

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Re: Before Pro Bodybuilding
« Reply #70 on: April 01, 2011, 01:26:30 PM »
Roy Callender personally told me they used a FUCK LOAD of drugs back then

he didn't say any amounts tho

he always say: "don't bodybuild if you are scared of needles"

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Re: Before Pro Bodybuilding
« Reply #71 on: April 01, 2011, 01:29:03 PM »
Who said it was better dumbshit, I was telling we were there, not just during that time, we were THERE. BTW, you have permission to call me old only when you can keep up with me, you aint there yet Jr.

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Re: Before Pro Bodybuilding
« Reply #72 on: April 01, 2011, 01:37:31 PM »
what need to be understood here is this,,

back then when someone say they use 300-500mg  THEY TALK ABOUT TESTOSTERONA! ! ! ! ! ,,

listen im going ot say here something very simple so try to understand this,,


the more testosterona you use the more shitty you look! by shitty i dont mean no thickness ,,what i mean is you hide the detail and line of muscle so sudenly you become bloofy....YOU NEED TO HAVE ENOUGH GH inorder to put all the testosterona into usage,,thats the only way jason and branch can pull their weight on them....both look horrid but they play with enough hormones aside from testosterona inorder to pull the weights they walk on ,,pay attehntion i say WEIGHTS not size! their size is not close to their weight,,they are walking with size equivelanet to 250 lb bodybuild and all the rest of weight is in the midsection widness and in fat from within muscle due to insulina,,,never the less they have enough G H to put in their body all they can eat testosterona buffet like they do....and whatever dont grow they put seo which bring them to muscle size that is ok with their weight eventhough their true muscle diameter is far far farrrrr from 270 lb bodybuilder....it is at the 250lb zone


now,,back then the total dose of testosterona was 300-500mg sometimes little more....mike mentzer...good example for 500-750 mg of testosterona,,BUT! the relaying and where the extra mg came from wassssss OTHER ANABOLICS SUCH AS THE GREAT TRENBOLONA,,SUCH AS THE GREAT DIANABOLONA,,SUCH AS THE GREAT PRIMOBOLONA,,SUCH AS THE GREAT MASTERONA,,,SUCH AS THE GREAT EQUIPONA AND NANDROLONA...thats were all the mg came from ,,so over all yes it was higih mgs like any bodybuilder does...but! ! ! THE TESTOSTERONA DOSES WERE LOWER BECAUSE THE FELLAS DIDNT HAVE ENOUGH GH AND DIDNT HAVE ENOUGH SUPPLY OF THAT GH TO PULL THE MEGA DOSE TESTOSTERONA ,,this is whyyyy all together now....

frank zane was 185lb and not 220 lb ...because frank zane would go and become probably one of the best mr o to ever step on earth if he had gh in high enough doses....same for many others..arnold would be BETTER than ron colman if he had the same ability to put itnto his blood the doses of gh and insulina ron did,,arnold would be the best period he woudnt have to share it with ron ....

so,,thats how it was,,lower doses on testosterona in general not 200mg but lower than 1 gram or around with most fellas...insted of 1-3 grams or even 4 grams lioke today morons,,also very low gh usage if at all most did not use it but had good natural gh release they were bodybuild in early 20s and late teens..but yes they used some old ussr gh in some cases,,, but that was it ! NO INSULINA,,NO INSULINA ,,NO INSULINA

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Re: Before Pro Bodybuilding
« Reply #73 on: April 01, 2011, 02:26:15 PM »
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You fucking complete moron! You have no idea who you are talking to. While, by your own admission, you are getting pounded in the ass by various men with big cocks (your admitted preferences), this guy at your age was already competing in bodybuilding at a high level.

And he didn't need to site inject or use SEO in his arms and delts like you do.

You are so ignorant that you are completely clueless to how ignorant you really are.

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Re: Before Pro Bodybuilding
« Reply #74 on: April 01, 2011, 02:28:17 PM »
what need to be understood here is this,,

back then when someone say they use 300-500mg  THEY TALK ABOUT TESTOSTERONA! ! ! ! ! ,,

listen im going ot say here something very simple so try to understand this,,


the more testosterona you use the more shitty you look! by shitty i dont mean no thickness ,,what i mean is you hide the detail and line of muscle so sudenly you become bloofy....YOU NEED TO HAVE ENOUGH GH inorder to put all the testosterona into usage,,thats the only way jason and branch can pull their weight on them....both look horrid but they play with enough hormones aside from testosterona inorder to pull the weights they walk on ,,pay attehntion i say WEIGHTS not size! their size is not close to their weight,,they are walking with size equivelanet to 250 lb bodybuild and all the rest of weight is in the midsection widness and in fat from within muscle due to insulina,,,never the less they have enough G H to put in their body all they can eat testosterona buffet like they do....and whatever dont grow they put seo which bring them to muscle size that is ok with their weight eventhough their true muscle diameter is far far farrrrr from 270 lb bodybuilder....it is at the 250lb zone


now,,back then the total dose of testosterona was 300-500mg sometimes little more....mike mentzer...good example for 500-750 mg of testosterona,,BUT! the relaying and where the extra mg came from wassssss OTHER ANABOLICS SUCH AS THE GREAT TRENBOLONA,,SUCH AS THE GREAT DIANABOLONA,,SUCH AS THE GREAT PRIMOBOLONA,,SUCH AS THE GREAT MASTERONA,,,SUCH AS THE GREAT EQUIPONA AND NANDROLONA...thats were all the mg came from ,,so over all yes it was higih mgs like any bodybuilder does...but! ! ! THE TESTOSTERONA DOSES WERE LOWER BECAUSE THE FELLAS DIDNT HAVE ENOUGH GH AND DIDNT HAVE ENOUGH SUPPLY OF THAT GH TO PULL THE MEGA DOSE TESTOSTERONA ,,this is whyyyy all together now....

frank zane was 185lb and not 220 lb ...because frank zane would go and become probably one of the best mr o to ever step on earth if he had gh in high enough doses....same for many others..arnold would be BETTER than ron colman if he had the same ability to put itnto his blood the doses of gh and insulina ron did,,arnold would be the best period he woudnt have to share it with ron ....

so,,thats how it was,,lower doses on testosterona in general not 200mg but lower than 1 gram or around with most fellas...insted of 1-3 grams or even 4 grams lioke today morons,,also very low gh usage if at all most did not use it but had good natural gh release they were bodybuild in early 20s and late teens..but yes they used some old ussr gh in some cases,,, but that was it ! NO INSULINA,,NO INSULINA ,,NO INSULINA

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But in the bible it says to use testosterona at a 2-1 ratio with other anabolics. For instance, if you are using 600mg equipona who should be using 1,200 mg testosterona.