Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close

[OzmO]

Whether I am a prophet or not is debatable.  What's not is that you're an idiot.

Bishop Clowney

So now are you denying you are a prophet or not?

[Straw Man]

Any politician (Republican or Democrat) who voted in favor of extending the Bush Tax cuts forfeited any credibility regarding the deficit

[OzmO]

How Impacting were the tax cuts?

[Straw Man]

How Impacting were the tax cuts?

According to GigantorX from another thread the cost this year is 70 billion

Meanwhile Repubs claimed to be so concerned about the deficit that they were willing to shut down the government over a paltry 300 million to Planned Parenthood

[OzmO]

Did it spur the economy as advertised?

[Fury]

Did it spur the economy as advertised?

Have the trillions Obama and the Dems blown since taking office spurred the economy as advertised?  

The Obama regime and cronies have managed to add $55 billion to the budget in a mere 8 days. Meanwhile, Straw Man (ironic that he's speaking about credibility), is crying about some tax cuts costing $70 billion for a year. Ha ha ha.

Dems = the party that cries about a mere $60 billion in cuts out of $1+ trillion. Astoundingly pathetic.

[OzmO]

I donno man, we seem so fucked, we should cut anything we can for while.

[Straw Man]

Did it spur the economy as advertised?

Well it's only been in effect (since the extension) for about 90 days but If the past is any inidication I wouldn't expect much:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/25/carolyn-maloney/congresswoman-says-democratic-presidents-create-mo/

Before we provide the final totals, let's run down how each president did. Here are the average annual percentage increases in jobs for each postwar president:
 
Harry S. Truman (Democrat): increase of 2.95 percent a year
Dwight D. Eisenhower (Republican): increase of 0.50 percent a year
John F. Kennedy (Democrat): increase of 2.03 percent a year
Lyndon B. Johnson (Democrat): increase of 3.88 percent a year
Richard M. Nixon (Republican): increase of 2.16 percent a year
Gerald R. Ford (Republican): increase of 0.86 percent a year
Jimmy Carter (Democrat): increase of 3.45 percent a year
Ronald Reagan (Republican): increase of 2.46 percent a year
George H.W. Bush (Republican): increase of 0.40 percent a year
Bill Clinton (Democrat): increase of 2.86 percent a year
George W. Bush (Republican): increase of 0.01 percent a year
Barack Obama (Democrat): decrease of 3.0 percent a year

[Skip8282]

Meanwhile Repubs claimed to be so concerned about the deficit that they were willing to shut down the government over a paltry 300 million to Planned Parenthood

Uh, that cuts both ways.  Amazing you can't see it...oh wait. 

[Fury]

Well it's only been in effect (since the extension) for about 90 days but If the past is any inidication I wouldn't expect much:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/25/carolyn-maloney/congresswoman-says-democratic-presidents-create-mo/

Before we provide the final totals, let's run down how each president did. Here are the average annual percentage increases in jobs for each postwar president:
 
Harry S. Truman (Democrat): increase of 2.95 percent a year
Dwight D. Eisenhower (Republican): increase of 0.50 percent a year
John F. Kennedy (Democrat): increase of 2.03 percent a year
Lyndon B. Johnson (Democrat): increase of 3.88 percent a year
Richard M. Nixon (Republican): increase of 2.16 percent a year
Gerald R. Ford (Republican): increase of 0.86 percent a year
Jimmy Carter (Democrat): increase of 3.45 percent a year
Ronald Reagan (Republican): increase of 2.46 percent a year
George H.W. Bush (Republican): increase of 0.40 percent a year
Bill Clinton (Democrat): increase of 2.86 percent a year
George W. Bush (Republican): increase of 0.01 percent a year
Barack Obama (Democrat): decrease of 3.0 percent a year

Uh, that cuts both ways.  Amazing you can't see it...oh wait.  

Hahahaha!

The Dems would rather fund their abortion machine than pay the soldiers. Says a lot. 

[Straw Man]

Hahahaha!

The Dems would rather fund their abortion machine than pay the soldiers. Says a lot. 

what makes you believe that nonsense?

[Fury]

what makes you believe that nonsense?

What makes you believe otherwise?

[George Whorewell]

What Straw is too stupid to realize is that the 3% INCREASE was almost entirely in the PUBLIC sector and was the result of an artificial infusion of tax payer money ( the stimulus) which led to an embarassing per job created figure totaling more than 200k EACH.

 In addition, there were Census jobs which I'm sure Osama and his band of morons counted as economic growth-- "jobs created".

So follow me Straw, we spent trillions our own money to create unnecessary burecratic public jobs and then we paid the resulting workers with our own money. That's a great way to spur an economic recovery  

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/2009-stimulus-bill-cost-228055-per-job-saved-or-created/

[Straw Man]

What makes you believe otherwise?

simple

I can say the exact same thing about the Repubs

they refused to pay the military unless they got an ideological win that would have no meaningful effect on the deficit (the thing they claimed to care so much about in the first place except they added 70 billion to it this year themselves)

[Fury]

What Straw is too stupid to realize is that the 3% INCREASE was almost entirely in the PUBLIC sector and was the result of an artificial infusion of tax payer money ( the stimulus) which led to an embarassing per job created grand total of more than 150k per job created. In addition, there were Census jobs which I'm sure Osama and his band of morons counted as economic growth-- "jobs created".

So follow me Straw, we spent trillions our own money to create unnecessary burecratic public jobs and then we paid the resulting workers with our own money. That's a great way to spur an economic recovery 

Don't hit him with facts! It's easier for him to stick to the far-leftist list of talking points. Remember: when in doubt, lie and fearmonger.

[Straw Man]

What Straw is too stupid to realize is that the 3% INCREASE was almost entirely in the PUBLIC sector and was the result of an artificial infusion of tax payer money ( the stimulus) which led to an embarassing per job created figure totaling more than 200k EACH.

 In addition, there were Census jobs which I'm sure Osama and his band of morons counted as economic growth-- "jobs created".

So follow me Straw, we spent trillions our own money to create unnecessary burecratic public jobs and then we paid the resulting workers with our own money. That's a great way to spur an economic recovery  

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/2009-stimulus-bill-cost-228055-per-job-saved-or-created/

here are some more facts for you

we borrowed (added to the debt) 2.5 trillion to pay for the Bush Tax cuts and during the Bush administration  net total employment went up by 1.08 million jobs.  Under Bush, private employment shrank by 673,000 jobs, federal employment grew by 50,000 jobs, and government employment grew by 1,753,000 jobs.

http://www.ctj.org/pdf/bushtaxcutsvshealthcare.pdf
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/249516/job-creation-bush-vs-obama-veronique-de-rugy

so if the tax cuts are supposed to spur job growth it's coming at a cost of around 2,500,000 per job (and those were government jobs - the most evil kind)

Bush also grew government sector jobs (expanded the government payroll) faster than private sector jobs, more than any other POTUS since WW2

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/09/business/09charts.html

[George Whorewell]

A) This is not about GW Bush-- how many fucking years does the swindler in Chief need to be in office before you retards come to grips with the fact that GW is not the prez anymore?

B) Stupidity by a former president is not an excuse for the stupidity of a current President.

C) Bush was in office 8 years-- The Bush Tax cuts were not enacted during a so called economic recovery and the two year expansion was not an "extension". Tax rates merely remained the same. THE BUSH TAX CUTS WERE NOT ENACTED AS A STIMULUS PACKAGE.

D) The expansion of the federal government was almost exclusively the direct result of expanding counter terrorism measures and agencies such as DHS and the TSA in response to 911. Also, we entered two wars under Bush. And again moron, this was not done to improve the economy, it was for national security reasons.

E) I could go on forever, but I'll stop here.

[GigantorX]

Well it's only been in effect (since the extension) for about 90 days but If the past is any inidication I wouldn't expect much:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/25/carolyn-maloney/congresswoman-says-democratic-presidents-create-mo/

Before we provide the final totals, let's run down how each president did. Here are the average annual percentage increases in jobs for each postwar president:
 
Harry S. Truman (Democrat): increase of 2.95 percent a year
Dwight D. Eisenhower (Republican): increase of 0.50 percent a year
John F. Kennedy (Democrat): increase of 2.03 percent a year
Lyndon B. Johnson (Democrat): increase of 3.88 percent a year
Richard M. Nixon (Republican): increase of 2.16 percent a year
Gerald R. Ford (Republican): increase of 0.86 percent a year
Jimmy Carter (Democrat): increase of 3.45 percent a year
Ronald Reagan (Republican): increase of 2.46 percent a year
George H.W. Bush (Republican): increase of 0.40 percent a year
Bill Clinton (Democrat): increase of 2.86 percent a year
George W. Bush (Republican): increase of 0.01 percent a year
Barack Obama (Democrat): decrease of 3.0 percent a year

Ok. What kind of jobs were "created"? What did they pay? Did they provide benefits? Where they full time? Were they Govt or Private sector jobs? What specific sectors were they in?

Without addressing those questions the numbers you provide are meaningless.

[Straw Man]

A) This is not about GW Bush-- how many fucking years does the swindler in Chief need to be in office before you retards come to grips with the fact that GW is not the prez anymore?

B) Stupidity by a former president is not an excuse for the stupidity of a current President.

C) Bush was in office 8 years-- The Bush Tax cuts were not enacted during a so called economic recovery and the two year expansion was not an "extension". Tax rates merely remained the same. THE BUSH TAX CUTS WERE NOT ENACTED AS A STIMULUS PACKAGE.

D) The expansion of the federal government was almost exclusively the direct result of expanding counter terrorism measures and agencies such as DHS and the TSA in response to 911. Also, we entered two wars under Bush. And again moron, this was not done to improve the economy, it was for national security reasons.

E) I could go on forever, but I'll stop here.

Befofe you piped in (starting with an insult as usual) Ozmo and I were talking about the cost of the Bush Tax cuts, job creation, the defcit.   You piped in about Obama's jobs being all public sector which is why I responded not only about the lack of job growth under Bush and how his tax cuts were a very very expensive and ineffective way to create jobs as well as the fact that all of the jobs he created were an expansion of the government (something Repubs and Teabaggers supposedly hate).   Regardin DHS, it's a complete waste of money and wasnt' necessary in the first place.  Bush had all the intelligence and just chose to ingore it.

I could go on forever but I'll stop here

[doison]

How to take a stance on a partisan issue, the "I voted for Bob Barr" way:

Look, no one wants to see the repubs win more than I do, but they clearly wanted everyone's mother to die at Christmas dinner on this one.  

I hate the dems, but they were literally a jesus led unicorn with this piece of legislature.  
The repubs could have easily stopped using the frozen bodies of stolen children to club baby seals for a few minutes to make the dems look less wholesome and beautiful today if they had their act together.  If that's what happened, I would have been the first person to praise Boehner and crew here on getbig.

But that's not what happened.  I'll admit they've been wrong in the past, but on this issue no one can deny that the dems were the most perfect union of human souls that could ever exist.  

[240 is Back]

LOL! Brilliant!

[doison]

LOL! Brilliant!

Well, shit.  It ruins it when you say that. 

[240 is Back]

looks like charlie sheen in 5 years


i thought he was going to start crying at the end of the video, then i realized this man isn't speaker of the house.

[doison]

looks like charlie sheen in 5 years


i thought he was going to start crying at the end of the video, then i realized this man isn't speaker of the house.

Yet.

[240 is Back]

Yet.

good point.  In a deep dark corner of Boehnner's Cave sits the tea party darling to replace him next time elections roll around.