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Re: Who was our last "good" president?
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2012, 04:00:35 AM »
that's your premise (I assume) and not mine



You know it's true, or maybe you are in denial.

Ron Paul called it in 2008:  Obama = Bush = McCain = Establishment


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Re: Who was our last "good" president?
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2012, 04:05:20 AM »
JFK was last real president.  The rest have been NWO puppets. 
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Re: Who was our last "good" president?
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2012, 04:58:59 AM »
Because he was the Commander in Chief and adultery is a crime in the military.  Senior officers get fired all the time for screwing around.  He lost his moral authority to be CIC.  


What about Eisenhower and his Wren chauffeur, Kay Summersby?

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Re: Who was our last "good" president?
« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2012, 07:58:41 AM »
Yes, but he's not in the military. He's not subject to the UCMJ. He doesnt have to have "moral authority" to lead, as his personal life is between him and his wife. You dont know, could be him and his wife dont sleep together and have an understanding, many people do that, and yes, many in the military do that for benefits.

The ONLY thing I disagree with was that he did it in office - but then again, hell if I had the chance to eff my wife in the oval office I probably would.

His relationships are his business and his alone IMHO. What he does sexually and with who is none of our business and IN NO WAY has anything to do with his ability to lead or the decisions he made for the country.

Like I said, we have different standards.  I believe the leader of an organization should abide by the rules set for his subordinates.  You don't believe the CIC should have to follow the basic rules he enforces over his subordinates.  I do.  The fact he wasn't subject to the UCMJ misses the point.  He can't expect his subordinates to respect him if he is violating rules the subordinates have to follow.    

When a person becomes a public figure then whatever he or she does is open to public scrutiny, particularly if he is engaging in conduct that most Americans would find objectionable.  

I don't believe in public vs. private ethics/integrity.  You either have it or your don't.  If you lie in private you will lie in public.  If you're dishonest in your private life you will be dishonest in business (or government).  

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Re: Who was our last "good" president?
« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2012, 08:00:18 AM »
Clinton committed perjury in a civil case remember?

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Re: Who was our last "good" president?
« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2012, 09:09:44 AM »
You know it's true, or maybe you are in denial.

Ron Paul called it in 2008:  Obama = Bush = McCain = Establishment



maybe you're in denial because you seem to assume that your belief is a fact rather than an opinion

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Re: Who was our last "good" president?
« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2012, 09:12:33 AM »
maybe you're in denial because you seem to assume that your belief is a fact rather than an opinion

LOL...all a sane person has to do is look at the facts, look at what Bush did, then look at what Obama has done and is doing.

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Re: Who was our last "good" president?
« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2012, 09:27:56 AM »
LOL...all a sane person has to do is look at the facts, look at what Bush did, then look at what Obama has done and is doing.

Bush wanted to privatize social security

is Obama pushing that

Was Bush in favor of the health care legislatin (probably biggest piece of legislation in Obama's first term)

Was Bush in favor of allowing gays to serve openly in the military

Would Bush have vetoed the Keystone pipeline

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Re: Who was our last "good" president?
« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2012, 09:30:26 AM »
Bush wanted to privatize social security

is Obama pushing that

Was Bush in favor of the health care legislatin (probably biggest piece of legislation in Obama's first term)

Was Bush in favor of allowing gays to serve openly in the military

Would Bush have vetoed the Keystone pipeline

All things fucking up the country.
End result = same.

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Re: Who was our last "good" president?
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2012, 09:31:32 AM »
Bush wanted to privatize social security

is Obama pushing that

Was Bush in favor of the health care legislatin (probably biggest piece of legislation in Obama's first term)

Was Bush in favor of allowing gays to serve openly in the military

Would Bush have vetoed the Keystone pipeline



 ???

Are you trying to persuade everyone here that Obama is much worse than Bush?

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Re: Who was our last "good" president?
« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2012, 09:33:44 AM »

 ???

Are you trying to persuade everyone here that Obama is much worse than Bush?

I thought your argument was that they were exactly the same ?

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Re: Who was our last "good" president?
« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2012, 09:37:45 AM »
I thought your argument was that they were exactly the same ?

Yes, and I was going easy on Obama by that argument.  But you have pointed out that Obama is a much worse version of Bush.

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Re: Who was our last "good" president?
« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2012, 09:40:11 AM »
Yes, and I was going easy on Obama by that argument.  But you have pointed out that Obama is a much worse version of Bush.

so like I said all along

Obama is not the same as Bush

right?

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Re: Who was our last "good" president?
« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2012, 09:52:05 AM »
so like I said all along

Obama is not the same as Bush

right?

Yes, you are right, and I am wrong.  You are smart, and I am dumb.  You are handsome, and I am not very good looking. 

As you have pointed out, Obama is a much worse version of Bush.

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Re: Who was our last "good" president?
« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2012, 09:53:32 AM »
Yes, you are right, and I am wrong.  You are smart, and I am dumb.  You are handsome, and I am not very good looking. 

As you have pointed out, Obama is a much worse version of Bush.

you could have stopped with admitting that Obama is not Bush

that was obviously my only point and you clearly seem to agree after vehemently arguing the opposite

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Re: Who was our last "good" president?
« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2012, 10:20:23 AM »
you could have stopped with admitting that Obama is not Bush

that was obviously my only point and you clearly seem to agree after vehemently arguing the opposite

I am aware of what your only point was, and I agree now only after you opened my eyes.

As you have pointed out, Obama has done everything that Bush did plus many, much worse screw ups of his own. 

Obama = A much worse version of Bush.  Thank you, Straw Man!

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Re: Who was our last "good" president?
« Reply #41 on: January 18, 2012, 10:23:32 AM »
I am aware of what your only point was, and I agree now only after you opened my eyes.

As you have pointed out, Obama has done everything that Bush did plus many, much worse screw ups of his own. 

Obama = A much worse version of Bush.  Thank you, Straw Man!


I didn't agree with your first premise and I don't agree with your second

Obama is not a version of Bush and therefore not a much worse version (just in case you're confused this is my opinion)

I'll take Obama over Bush or any other Repub, Tea Bagger of the current field

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Re: Who was our last "good" president?
« Reply #42 on: January 18, 2012, 12:02:12 PM »

I didn't agree with your first premise and I don't agree with your second

Obama is not a version of Bush and therefore not a much worse version (just in case you're confused this is my opinion)

I'll take Obama over Bush or any other Repub, Tea Bagger of the current field


Saudi Arabia agrees with you.   

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Re: Who was our last "good" president?
« Reply #43 on: January 18, 2012, 12:14:46 PM »
Saudi Arabia agrees with you.   

I'm sure they do

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Re: Who was our last "good" president?
« Reply #44 on: January 18, 2012, 12:18:43 PM »
I'm sure they do

Really Straw?   Chalk this up to another hit and a miss for you. 

 

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Re: Who was our last "good" president?
« Reply #45 on: January 18, 2012, 09:29:50 PM »
Really Straw?   Chalk this up to another hit and a miss for you.  

 

I guess Bush must have been a better c.o.cksucker

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Re: Who was our last "good" president?
« Reply #46 on: January 18, 2012, 09:39:36 PM »
I liked the world when Clinton was president. what we have now is mind fucking bullshit.

even if this is the case ...
The Mena Connection: Bush, Clinton, and CIA drug smuggling part 1/6

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Re: Who was our last "good" president?
« Reply #47 on: January 18, 2012, 09:46:50 PM »
Because he was the Commander in Chief and adultery is a crime in the military.  Senior officers get fired all the time for screwing around.  He lost his moral authority to be CIC. 

If you don't think he disgraced his public office by having an intern give him a blow job in the White House, while he was married, then lied to the world about it, then we just have different standards. 

Clinton wasn't perfect for sure.  He did disgrace the office.  But for whatever reason or what ever set of circum stances he was our last good president.

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Re: Who was our last "good" president?
« Reply #48 on: January 19, 2012, 02:22:05 AM »
You are missing the point.  You like Obama?  Then you like Bush.  You dislike Bush?  Then you dislike Obama.

Obama = Bush = Obama = Bush

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Re: Who was our last "good" president?
« Reply #49 on: January 19, 2012, 02:25:54 AM »
Moral failures? Im assuming youre reffering to his whole BJ scandal.
Why in the hell does who he decides to get head from tarnish his reputation? And why is it any of our business? Its not anyones business but his, his wifes, and whoever he's screwing.

I remember wondering why the hell so many people were freaking out, and why the hell did so many people care what the man did with his personal life?

I find it very interesting that Clinton's "Moral Failures" are referenced, while the fact that the Bush administrations Moral Failure that is directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians isn't mentioned.