Tweak my advanced cycle

[flinstones1]

the bodybuiilders from the 90's definitely used insulin, not in huge amounts but it was used. watch old vids of Titus the gut was very visible even in his late twenties..(90's)

[SmoofCat]

the bodybuiilders from the 90's definitely used insulin, not in huge amounts but it was used. watch old vids of Titus the gut was very visible even in his late twenties..(90's)

Oh totally. 90s physique is definitely not what I'm after. There are 5, maybe 7 guys who were really defined by the 90s who i like, but for the most part it is not my favorite generation

[hematocritter]

Goals: lean bulk. Truly going for a serge nubret physique

That is my goal too.
I like your cycle, low test with high tren and anabolics.
Are you training the same way that Serge trained?

[Rearden Metal]

Hey Smoof, how's things?

My suggestion is 2 part. Being that you're under 6%, I'd push a growth phase followed by a recomp phase. That's what I did and went from contest 162 to 215 in 4 months, then started recomp to pull down to 190 to see how much of my gains are muscle.

Phase 1.

Week 1-6

Sust 350 EOD
EQ 900 per week
Anadrol inject 50mg pre workout, 50mg oral post workout.
NPP 50 mg EOD
15-20iu gh on training days, 8-10 on off days

Weeks 6-12
Test E 1000mg/week
EQ 1200mg/week
NPP 50mg EOD
15-20iu gh on training days, 8-10 on off days

Weeks 12-18

Test E 500mg/week
EQ 900/week
NPP 50mg EOD
Masteron 300mg/week
700mg tren a/ week
15-20iu gh on training days, 8-10 on off days

Weeks 18-24

Test P 350mg/week
Primo 700mg/week
NPP 50mg EOD
Masteron 500mg/week
15iu gh on training days, 10 on off days

Weeks 24-30

Test P 350mg/week
Primo 700mg/week
NPP 50 mg EOD
Masteron 500mg/week
tren ace 700mg/week
oral turinabol 100mg/day if wanted
15iu gh on training days, 10 on off days

weeks 30-36

Test P 50mg EOD
Primo 900mg/week
Masteron 700mg/week
tren ace 1000mg/week
anadrol 100mg/day
15iu gh ED

Do the show

Week 37

350 Test p
200mg Masteron
500mg tren A
900mg EQ

Weeks 38-42

Test P 500mg
Masteron only as needed
500 mg tren A
900mg EQ
Oral turinabol 100mg/day
10iu/gh day (unless money doesn't matter)

Weeks 42-52 or 56, cruise

test E 250 mg week
finish oral turinabol for couple weeks at 50mg/day
10iu gh/day

[makaveli25]

Smoofcat why do you say deca ruined your physique so bad? Was it the water retention? I've always stayed away from deca but I recently got a nice amount of npp from a top chef.

[SmoofCat]

Hey Smoof, how's things?

My suggestion is 2 part. Being that you're under 6%, I'd push a growth phase followed by a recomp phase. That's what I did and went from contest 162 to 215 in 4 months, then started recomp to pull down to 190 to see how much of my gains are muscle.

Phase 1.

Week 1-6

Sust 350 EOD
EQ 900 per week
Anadrol inject 50mg pre workout, 50mg oral post workout.
NPP 50 mg EOD
15-20iu gh on training days, 8-10 on off days

Weeks 6-12
Test E 1000mg/week
EQ 1200mg/week
NPP 50mg EOD
15-20iu gh on training days, 8-10 on off days

Weeks 12-18

Test E 500mg/week
EQ 900/week
NPP 50mg EOD
Masteron 300mg/week
700mg tren a/ week
15-20iu gh on training days, 8-10 on off days

Weeks 18-24

Test P 350mg/week
Primo 700mg/week
NPP 50mg EOD
Masteron 500mg/week
15iu gh on training days, 10 on off days

Weeks 24-30

Test P 350mg/week
Primo 700mg/week
NPP 50 mg EOD
Masteron 500mg/week
tren ace 700mg/week
oral turinabol 100mg/day if wanted
15iu gh on training days, 10 on off days

weeks 30-36

Test P 50mg EOD
Primo 900mg/week
Masteron 700mg/week
tren ace 1000mg/week
anadrol 100mg/day
15iu gh ED

Do the show

Week 37

350 Test p
200mg Masteron
500mg tren A
900mg EQ

Weeks 38-42

Test P 500mg
Masteron only as needed
500 mg tren A
900mg EQ
Oral turinabol 100mg/day
10iu/gh day (unless money doesn't matter)

Weeks 42-52 or 56, cruise

test E 250 mg week
finish oral turinabol for couple weeks at 50mg/day
10iu gh/day

Amazing advice. Rearden we miss you around here my friend. You have so much going on (good stuff, a blessing really) in your life now and you were going to win your next competition. Your quads/legs were actually on a ifbb pro level when I saw you in NYC, and from the pics posted your upper ain't lagging either.

So I hope training is still going well And you can still get pleasure
From the sport even though you can no longer devote
The time to compete. This may or may not be my last competition too before my life changes drastically in a
Good way.

[SmoofCat]

Smoofcat why do you say deca ruined your physique so bad? Was it the water retention? I've always stayed away from deca but I recently got a nice amount of npp from a top chef.

Npp is different. I ran deca from a pharmacy in the city (do not ask) many times. 500 Mgs. I have a lean, serge nubret type of physique (his and my stats are the same
Down to a T), but he obviously had significantly more muscle maturity. He hated deca also. There is a
Story that serge once returned from Europe with two suitcases full of parabolan amps and told Franco the game was about to change.

Just a side story, but physiques like ours (tall thin long limbs very low
Bf very low natural estrogen) often do not react well to deca. Npp did not do wonderful things for me either but I ran an absurd dose of it, however it was not half as bad as deca, and the joint lubrication was amazing .

I have Npp top chef now too 350mg weekly only for joints w mucho tren ace, primo.

[makaveli25]

 
 There is a Story that serge once returned from Europe with two suitcases full of parabolan amps and told Franco the game was about to change.

Interesting would like to hear more.

[Explorerspl]

Npp is different. I ran deca from a pharmacy in the city (do not ask) many times. 500 Mgs. I have a lean, serge nubret type of physique (his and my stats are the same
Down to a T), but he obviously had significantly more muscle maturity. He hated deca also. There is a
Story that serge once returned from Europe with two suitcases full of parabolan amps and told Franco the game was about to change.

Just a side story, but physiques like ours (tall thin long limbs very low
Bf very low natural estrogen) often do not react well to deca. Npp did not do wonderful things for me either but I ran an absurd dose of it, however it was not half as bad as deca, and the joint lubrication was amazing .

I have Npp top chef now too 350mg weekly only for joints w mucho tren ace, primo.

What do people like us respond to best?(referencing your tall/thin/long limb/low bf part)

Ive tried test,dbol,tren so far

Dbol and tren were awesome, I hate test!!!

[SmoofCat]

What do people like us respond to best?(referencing your tall/thin/long limb/low bf part)

Ive tried test,dbol,tren so far

Dbol and tren were awesome, I hate test!!!

What is your height weight and bf?

Tren ace is our main drug, bulk or cut.

Masteron but not all of the year, there are
Prostate issues that will arise if you push it w this very powerful oil.

I am learning quickly from experience that primo is truly on an island alone w tren ace. Primo is magic.

Npp is suggested for joints but don't high dose
It. Leave your growth to the equipoise , the tren ace, the primo. Let it saturate with the gh. Only 5-10 iu is necessary unless you are actually attempting mutation.

And run low dose prop or sust. I like sust for reasons I have gone into detail on this site
Lately. Even at 100-350 mg weekly, sust gives you a fuller look than
Prop without affecting your waist at all.
My theory is because it has some prop in it, yet it also has some very long
Esthers. Best of both worlds.

And running sust allows yoU to comfortably just cut off
All
Anabolics
For 3 weeks with no problems. And after 3 weeks off, this is when you look incredible. Prop won't allow you to do this comfortably.

[flinstones1]

Cant believe I'm asking this,  but is tren ace the same drug as parabolan minus the shorter ester?  parabolan was still the same exact chemical make up of the drug as  "fina" correct?

[alpmaster00]

I didn't read the whole thread besides the first post, and have seen a few of your posts smoof. That's a beautiful stack, and seems you're not afraid to spend what it takes to look retarded.

With your allotted gear expense, I'd do:

350mg/week Test Prop
1,050mg/week Primo Ace
700mg/week Mast Ace
80mg/day Anavar
10iu/day GH
50mcg/day T3

Tren is a personal decision, tho it seems you want to use it, and with 10iu GH I would. If you go with tren, you don't really need the Var, it can be taken out. But var is amazing...

[SmoofCat]

Im 173 8% 5'10

And yeah thats exactly what no sleep told me when I pmed him

100mg tren ace EOD
600mg EQ
150mg test

Might get some sus, all I have right now is test E
And ill hold in the GH im only 19, couldnt afford it anyways.though lol

Sleep knows his stuff. Talk to him . You're about his age, just learn from him. I'm in another boat in terms of age and doses (although sleep is actually running some very serious cycles now).

Anyway that works , the above cycle. Test e works . It's gonna be a light cycle but you are 170 this is all u need now . Actually u may have a minor mutation because u are so light lol.

[tbombz]

Cant believe I'm asking this,  but is tren ace the same drug as parabolan minus the shorter ester?  parabolan was still the same exact chemical make up of the drug as  "fina" correct?

yes. tren enanthate. tren hexacarbolyate or whatever the fuck  (parabolan), tren ace, tren suspension..    its all tren.  you can add any ester to any roid. still the same roid. now methylating a steroid for make it orally available.. different story. that process alters the activity of the compound, making it exert different effects. but ester.. doesnt change how the roid works. can effect water retention though.

[makaveli25]

What is your height weight and bf?

Tren ace is our main drug, bulk or cut.

Masteron but not all of the year, there are
Prostate issues that will arise if you push it w this very powerful oil.

I am learning quickly from experience that primo is truly on an island alone w tren ace. Primo is magic.

Npp is suggested for joints but don't high dose
It. Leave your growth to the equipoise , the tren ace, the primo. Let it saturate with the gh. Only 5-10 iu is necessary unless you are actually attempting mutation.

And run low dose prop or sust. I like sust for reasons I have gone into detail on this site
Lately. Even at 100-350 mg weekly, sust gives you a fuller look than
Prop without affecting your waist at all.
My theory is because it has some prop in it, yet it also has some very long
Esthers. Best of both worlds.

And running sust allows yoU to comfortably just cut off
All
Anabolics
For 3 weeks with no problems. And after 3 weeks off, this is when you look incredible. Prop won't allow you to do this comfortably.

I'm another big fan of sustanon. Last summer I got a 100 amps for a really good price. I was running 3 a week a long with 100-200mg of masteron prop eod. I also threw different orals in for 4-5 weeks a time. Best I ever looked. Very nice lean bulk cycle for me.

[tbombz]

3 sustanon a week is very good for maintaining size and slowly building at the same time. cheap and effective. its what i ran for a long time.  mon-wed-fri. simple.

what kind of amps were you running makaveli ?

[Explorerspl]

Sleep knows his stuff. Talk to him . You're about his age, just learn from him. I'm in another boat in terms of age and doses (although sleep is actually running some very serious cycles now).

Anyway that works , the above cycle. Test e works . It's gonna be a light cycle but you are 170 this is all u need now . Actually u may have a minor mutation because u are so light lol.

yeah i've been seeing HUGE changes daily, big fan of tren so far. Hard,vascular, full,dryish depending on my diet. People have been asking WTF I am doing haha but yeah I had a few PMs with him, going to follow what he said to a T he looks great and we have a similar frame.

[SmoofCat]

I didn't read the whole thread besides the first post, and have seen a few of your posts smoof. That's a beautiful stack, and seems you're not afraid to spend what it takes to look retarded.

With your allotted gear expense, I'd do:

350mg/week Test Prop
1,050mg/week Primo Ace
700mg/week Mast Ace
80mg/day Anavar
10iu/day GH
50mcg/day T3

Tren is a personal decision, tho it seems you want to use it, and with 10iu GH I would. If you go with tren, you don't really need the Var, it can be taken out. But var is amazing...

I like your style. This is a good stack. I would absolutely run drost now , but I have been on for 3 months (gram weekly) and drost is not an oil u stay on year round. Serious issues can arise involving your prostate.

You're right about me not being afraid to spend money to get the best compounds from only the top chefs. I don't even do human grade any more because I respond better to certain private UGL and it's not rocket science- certain people who were on highest stage do the same. However they use pharm grade gh. There lies the difference between them and me, for starters.

I only run 2 major blast cycles a year, and I am going all out. The other 2-3 months, I am running 250 mg
Sust to cruise w growth. And u dont lose your gains that quickly. You actually look your best after 3 weeks of injecting NOTHING. This is when u get showered w compliments because you maintain size yet drop water and just look tight.

3 weeks is that magic window. And I will gladly cruise on 250 mg sust for 1-2 months (2 max max max). I just go by feel. If it feels rigt I do it . You don't lose a damn thing when off for a month and only taking 250 mg test other than WATER.

So my cruises cost nothing they are free essentially they are so cheap i get paid to cruise lol, and dropping a nice bit of $ for my 2 blasts makes me actually feel great! I don't want the cheap
Shit unless it is gh! Because I am on a mission to get a golden age body anyway, and gh for me just is there to counteract the tren ace I love so much, let me sleep and keep my waist < 32 .

[SmoofCat]

3 sustanon a week is very good for maintaining size and slowly building at the same time. cheap and effective. its what i ran for a long time.  mon-wed-fri. simple.

what kind of amps were you running makaveli ?

Alone? Just 750 mg sust? Was That a bridge?

I ran this as one of my first cycles when I was a kid... Thought I would turn into Arnold with 750 mg omnadren ampules human grade. Results were less than stellar, and I quickly figured out that test alone is a bad cycle. Years later I leaned the truth about test, that it is the worst steroid, but the most necessary. Without it you can't realistically run androgens year round such as tren. We all know what happens. The problem is that test at high doses without any gh can ruin a physique, much like deca or dianabol can.

[Swlabr]

Agreed. Ran testosterone enanthate and dianabol as my first cycle and all it did for me was give me a lot of bloat and a lot of acne. I look hundred times better on tren with masteron and LOW test prop (50 mg EOD).

[illwill]

excellent thread!  Keep the good info coming guys!

[oni]

excellent thread!  Keep the good info coming guys!

x2

[SmoofCat]

excellent thread!  Keep the good info coming guys!

What else would you like to know ? I am more than happy to answer any questions you younger or newer to hormone guys.

[tbombz]

Alone? Just 750 mg sust? Was That a bridge?

I ran this as one of my first cycles when I was a kid... Thought I would turn into Arnold with 750 mg omnadren ampules human grade. Results were less than stellar, and I quickly figured out that test alone is a bad cycle. Years later I leaned the truth about test, that it is the worst steroid, but the most necessary. Without it you can't realistically run androgens year round such as tren. We all know what happens. The problem is that test at high doses without any gh can ruin a physique, much like deca or dianabol can.

by itself. not a bridge. about a 1 and a half year long cycle. worked great. very affordable and effective. its become hip on getbig to bash test, and i can understand if your main priority is looking dry and shredded, but test is still an awesome steroid, one of the best for mass, probably the "healthiest", and cheap too.

[SmoofCat]

by itself. not a bridge. about a 1 and a half year long cycle. worked great. very affordable and effective. its become hip on getbig to bash test, and i can understand if your main priority is looking dry and shredded, but test is still an awesome steroid, one of the best for mass, probably the "healthiest", and cheap too.

Noone is bashing it as a steroid. But for bodybuilding purposes it is garbage. It's just a necessary ancillary, and yes, at times you can go as high as almost 2 grams of test.

But test alone, for bodybuilding purposes, is awful.