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Re: Martin Bashir - Romney's selective memory on his draft record
« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2012, 08:48:42 PM »
As usual, your kneepadding gets exposed and you try to dodge that fact that you bought the Obama "Hope-and-Change" routine. You thought he was going to be different than everyone else.



 well wrong again one is about campaign promises which all politicians make and the other is about romney lieing about his personal life,hey but nice try

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Re: Martin Bashir - Romney's selective memory on his draft record
« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2012, 08:50:22 PM »
This would be the same network of geniuses that blubbered like babies, after getting their fellow libs get their clocks cleaned in Wisconsin last week.




As usual, your kneepadding gets exposed and you try to dodge that fact of the post  :D

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Re: Martin Bashir - Romney's selective memory on his draft record
« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2012, 08:53:02 PM »
well wrong again one is about campaign promises which all politicians make and the other is about romney lieing about his personal life,hey but nice try

Yet, who's kneepadding for a guy who actually did LIE THROUGH HIS TEETH about his campaign promises (as can be verified from all sources and with the naked eye, not by a bunch of left-winged hacks on the red-headed stepchild of cable news who are still weeping over last week's beating).

Obama promised to don the comfy shoes and MARCH with the unions bubbas. Yet, during prime time and the lights on bright, with everything at stake in Wisconsin, that coward of a president DID NOT STEP FOOT to help his people, when they needed him most.

So, tell me again why you're kneepadding for a proven liar and a coward, again.

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Re: Martin Bashir - Romney's selective memory on his draft record
« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2012, 08:54:28 PM »

As usual, your kneepadding gets exposed and you try to dodge that fact of the post  :D

What facts, coming from MSNBC, the same group of knuckleheads who proclaimed Obama WON last week after the whipping in Wisconsin.

Neither they, nor you, would know a fact if it flatten you with a semi-truck.

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Re: Martin Bashir - Romney's selective memory on his draft record
« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2012, 08:56:40 PM »



What facts, coming from MSNBC, the same group of knuckleheads who proclaimed Obama WON last week after the whipping in Wisconsin.

Neither they, nor you, would know a fact if it flatten you with a semi-truck.


As usual, your kneepadding gets exposed and you try to dodge that fact of the post 

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Re: Martin Bashir - Romney's selective memory on his draft record
« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2012, 09:01:31 PM »
Romney did take FOUR actions to remove himself from the pool of people going to war.
Four times.
He claims he "longed" to be in Nam, but got it deferred twice. 


Look dude - just admit you didn't wanna risk your ass over there.  So you took a way out.  Many would do it, no shame there.   Just don't lie about it. It's the lies that make people look bad on it. 

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Re: Martin Bashir - Romney's selective memory on his draft record
« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2012, 09:01:39 PM »
What facts, coming from MSNBC, the same group of knuckleheads who proclaimed Obama WON last week after the whipping in Wisconsin.

Neither they, nor you, would know a fact if it flatten you with a semi-truck.


the story came from the The Associated Press. but  hey i know its not from your news source, rush, beck and fox news  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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Re: Martin Bashir - Romney's selective memory on his draft record
« Reply #32 on: June 12, 2012, 09:07:49 PM »

 

As usual, your kneepadding gets exposed and you try to dodge that fact of the post 

Wrong again!!

The point you clearly missed is that, while you're quick to accuse Romney of lying, when Obama is CAUGHT RED-HANDED in a bold-face lie, you attempt to excuse it by saying that's just what politicians do. All the while, you bought the whole Obama's-a-different-type-of-politician flap.


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Re: Martin Bashir - Romney's selective memory on his draft record
« Reply #33 on: June 12, 2012, 09:07:56 PM »
i hate it when politicians lie - when they don't really have to - just to please the room they're in.


He did missionary work in france instead of serving in war for his own country.  Then he was very public anti-war, along with his dad, right?

Anti-war kid who dodged the draft 4 times, so he could leave USA, and go help france.   Just take the (minor) hit, and move on.  Don't LIE about it.

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Re: Martin Bashir - Romney's selective memory on his draft record
« Reply #34 on: June 12, 2012, 09:10:08 PM »
What facts, coming from MSNBC, the same group of knuckleheads who proclaimed Obama WON last week after the whipping in Wisconsin.

Neither they, nor you, would know a fact if it flatten you with a semi-truck.


the story came from the The Associated Press. but  hey i know its not from your news source, rush, beck and fox news  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I'm fully aware it came from the Associated Press. What makes the whole thing comical is the hacks on MSNBC, doing the whole indignation routine about Romney's supposedly lying, just a week removed from watching their beloved Obama duck and hide from Wisconsin (after promising to join them on the front line), knowing the libs were going to lose and lose BIG.

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Re: Martin Bashir - Romney's selective memory on his draft record
« Reply #35 on: June 12, 2012, 09:12:27 PM »
Wrong again!!

The point you clearly missed is that, while you're quick to accuse Romney of lying, when Obama is CAUGHT RED-HANDED in a bold-face lie, you attempt to excuse it by saying that's just what politicians do. All the while, you bought the whole Obama's-a-different-type-of-politician flap.



As usual, your kneepadding gets exposed and you try to dodge that fact of the post    lets try this again this post is about romney lying. ok mr. rush says

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Re: Martin Bashir - Romney's selective memory on his draft record
« Reply #36 on: June 12, 2012, 09:14:05 PM »
i hate it when politicians lie - when they don't really have to - just to please the room they're in.


He did missionary work in france instead of serving in war for his own country.  Then he was very public anti-war, along with his dad, right?

Anti-war kid who dodged the draft 4 times, so he could leave USA, and go help france.   Just take the (minor) hit, and move on.  Don't LIE about it.

I thought libs were all cool with draft-dodging. It almost reminds me of how Obama thought Afghanistan was the "proper war" to fight. Now, he and his supporters are all against the Afghanistan conflict.

And, how did he dodge the draft? He actually entered it but his number wasn't called.

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Re: Martin Bashir - Romney's selective memory on his draft record
« Reply #37 on: June 12, 2012, 09:14:25 PM »
I'm fully aware it came from the Associated Press. What makes the whole thing comical is the hacks on MSNBC, doing the whole indignation routine about Romney's supposedly lying, just a week removed from watching their beloved Obama duck and hide from Wisconsin (after promising to join them on the front line), knowing the libs were going to lose and lose BIG.

he did lie,and you have the nerve to talk about kneepadding   :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D priceless

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Re: Martin Bashir - Romney's selective memory on his draft record
« Reply #38 on: June 12, 2012, 09:21:08 PM »
I thought libs were all cool with draft-dodging. It almost reminds me of how Obama thought Afghanistan was the "proper war" to fight. Now, he and his supporters are all against the Afghanistan conflict.  And, how did he dodge the draft? He actually entered it but his number wasn't called.

A lot of people did it.  And I think many top repubs have come right out and said "I didn't want to go" - it's that simple.  He says he never did anything to avoid it - but Romney did take FOUR actions to remove himself from the pool of people going to war.  FACT.


And that's not too bad - but claming he LONGED to go to vietnam?  No, no, no.  Don't say that.  Don't tell us that, cause we know you didn't long to go to war.  Maybe you regretted going to france to talk religion with frenchies while your neighbors got blown up, ok.  BUt don't say "I LONGED" for combat.  Fucked up.

Looking back, the war was started on a now-proven lie about the Gulf of Tonken.  A kid who, at age 18, didn't want to go fight there - it is what it is.  He didn't want to go.  nothing wrong with that.  I doubt any gun-loving, obama hating vietnam vet is going to vote against romney cause he didn't go. 

The prob here is romney lying, just to lie.  He took 4 deferrments.  It's a fact.  Just move on.  Trying to

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Re: Martin Bashir - Romney's selective memory on his draft record
« Reply #39 on: June 12, 2012, 09:23:47 PM »
I thought libs were all cool with draft-dodging. It almost reminds me of how Obama thought Afghanistan was the "proper war" to fight. Now, he and his supporters are all against the Afghanistan conflict.

And, how did he dodge the draft? He actually entered it but his number wasn't called.

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Re: Martin Bashir - Romney's selective memory on his draft record
« Reply #40 on: June 12, 2012, 09:33:00 PM »
To the surprise of basically no one (except TK members), this is much ado about nothing. It turns out Romney didn't do any dodging at all. Based on his being a Mormon and his Michigan resident, his early deferments were basically automatic.

And, when he did enter the draft, his number wasn't picked. Funny how AP (and MSNBC) left that part out.  ::)

Sorry. In one of the Boston Globe reports from which Maddow’s staff was working, this point was explored in great detail. Michael Kranish wrote the report in 2007 (we can’t find a link):

    KRANISH (6/24/07): The deferments for Mormon missionaries became increasingly controversial in the late 1960s, especially in Utah, leading the Mormon Church and the government to limit the number of church missionaries who could put off their military service. That agreement called for each church ward, or church district, to designate one male every six months to be exempted from potential duty for the duration of his missionary work.

    Romney's home state was Michigan, making his 4-D exemption as a missionary all but automatic because of the relatively small number of Mormon missionaries from that state. It might have been more difficult in Utah, where the huge Mormon population meant that there were sometimes more missionaries than available exemptions. Most missions lasted two and a half years, as Romney's did.

    Barry Mayo, who was counselor to the bishop of the ward in Pontiac, Michigan, where Romney attended church, recalled in an interview that wards were allowed to exempt one missionary every six months from the draft. He said that he could not recall any time in which more than one potential draftee sought an exemption in the ward in a six-month period, so Romney's deferment was never in doubt.

    "I was aware of the fact that there was an agreement of some sort of between the church and the Selective Service because there were some wards mostly in the West where the congregation was large and the number of youth was large," Mayo said. "The circumstances were very different here. Our congregation was small and the number of youth were small. To the best of my knowledge we never had a situation where we had more than two young men wanting to go in any one year... So I don't believe that we ever had to discourage someone from going on a mission because he was above that two-per-year limit."

    Mayo said no records are available from the period that would show how Romney's deferment was handled. But he said he recalled "the conclusion was `we really don't have to worry about [exceeding the quota] because we were never in that situation.' "

Really? There weren't many Mormons in Michigan? Should somebody check that out?

At this point, none of this is worth talking about. But Maddow’s staff replaced that reporting by Kranish with the single word “somehow.” They were trying to make us suspicious, even though they plainly were working right from the Kranish report.

Trust us: No one is going to care about this in the curent campaign. In our own view, that’s a deliverance.


http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2012/06/rachel-maddow-goes-to-nam.html

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Re: Martin Bashir - Romney's selective memory on his draft record
« Reply #41 on: June 12, 2012, 09:39:50 PM »
he did lie,and you have the nerve to talk about kneepadding   :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D priceless


Indeed I do, especially when this threadbare-worn issue is YOUR form of kneepadding, to deflect attention off Obama's colossal failure as a president.



A lot of people did it.  And I think many top repubs have come right out and said "I didn't want to go" - it's that simple.  He says he never did anything to avoid it - but Romney did take FOUR actions to remove himself from the pool of people going to war.  FACT.


And that's not too bad - but claming he LONGED to go to vietnam?  No, no, no.  Don't say that.  Don't tell us that, cause we know you didn't long to go to war.  Maybe you regretted going to france to talk religion with frenchies while your neighbors got blown up, ok.  BUt don't say "I LONGED" for combat.  Fucked up.

Looking back, the war was started on a now-proven lie about the Gulf of Tonken.  A kid who, at age 18, didn't want to go fight there - it is what it is.  He didn't want to go.  nothing wrong with that.  I doubt any gun-loving, obama hating vietnam vet is going to vote against romney cause he didn't go.  

The prob here is romney lying, just to lie.  He took 4 deferrments.  It's a fact.  Just move on.  Trying to

If, as my previous post states, typical missions go for 30 months, that explains the four deferments. If I understand correctly, for Mormons (men, in particular) going on missions ranks right up there with baptism. It's pretty much a requirement.

When his mission ended, he entered the draft but didn't get picked, due to a high number.

The implication by the AP (and by MSNBC) is that Romney and/or his dad pursued deferments for him, for the expressed purpose of dodging the draft. If Romney's a practicing Mormon, doing mission work is standard procedure in the LDS church.

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Re: Martin Bashir - Romney's selective memory on his draft record
« Reply #42 on: June 12, 2012, 09:52:34 PM »
Here's the full Michael Kranish article, courtesy of the "SomethingAintFunny" blogsite:

Mormon church obtained Vietnam draft deferrals for Romney, [and] other missionaries

By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff  |  June 24, 2007


As the Vietnam War raged in the 1960s, Mitt Romney received a deferment from the draft as a Mormon "minister of religion" for the duration of his missionary work in France, which lasted two and a half years.

Before and after his missionary deferment, Romney also received nearly three years of deferments for his academic studies. When his deferments ended and he became eligible for military service in 1970, he drew a high number in the annual lottery that determined which young men were drafted. His high number ensured he was not drafted into the military.

The deferments for Mormon missionaries became increasingly controversial in the late 1960s, especially in Utah, leading the Mormon Church and the government to limit the number of church missionaries who could put off their military service. That agreement called for each church ward, or church district, to designate one male every six months to be exempted from potential duty for the duration of his missionary work.

Romney's home state was Michigan, making his 4-D exemption as a missionary all but automatic because of the relatively small number of Mormon missionaries from that state. It might have been more difficult in Utah, where the huge Mormon population meant that there were sometimes more missionaries than available exemptions. Most missions lasted two and a half years, as Romney's did.

Barry Mayo, who was counselor to the bishop of the ward in Pontiac, Michigan, where Romney attended church, recalled in an interview that wards were allowed to exempt one missionary every six months from the draft. He said that he could not recall any time in which more than one potential draftee sought an exemption in the ward in a six-month period, so Romney's deferment was never in doubt.

"I was aware of the fact that there was an agreement of some sort of between the church and the Selective Service because there were some wards mostly in the West where the congregation was large and the number of youth was large," Mayo said. "The circumstances were very different here. Our congregation was small and the number of youth were small. To the best of my knowledge we never had a situation where we had more than two young men wanting to go in any one year... So I don't believe that we ever had to discourage someone from going on a mission because he was above that two-per-year limit."

Mayo said no records are available from the period that would show how Romney's deferment was handled. But he said he recalled "the conclusion was `we really don't have to worry about [exceeding the quota] because we were never in that situation.' "

By serving as a missionary and being given the deferment, Romney ensured that he would not be drafted from July 1966 until February 1969. Romney's draft record from the time describes him as "minister of religion or divinity student." Mayo said the church would have considered Romney a minister.

Romney, who has said he would have served if he had been drafted, shed some light on his view of the matter in a recent interview with the Globe.

"I really don’t recall thinking about political positions when I was knocking at the door in France" as a missionary, Romney said. "I was supportive of my country. I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam."

At the same time, Romney said, he was influenced by the statement of his father, then-Michigan Governor George W. Romney, who said in 1967 that he had been "brainwashed" by US officials about Vietnam. "When my dad said that he had been wrong about Vietnam and that it was a mistake and they had been brainwashed and so forth, I certainly trusted him and believed him," Romney said.

The exemption for Mormon missionaries created controversy at the time. Non-Mormons in Utah filed a lawsuit against the federal government in 1968. The suit was still in court two years later, at a time when "the church and the Selective Service System work hand-in-hand in deferring the missionaries," according to an article from the period published by The New York Times.

Richard Leedy, the lawyer who brought the suit, said in a telephone interview that he did so because "the substantial number of deferments to missionaries made the likelihood of us non-Mormons going to Vietnam a lot more likely."

Separately, Romney's draft service was deferred due to his status as a full-time student for about three years.

Romney registered with the Selective Service in April 1965 but was not considered readily available for military service until December 1970. His name was then put into the lottery based on an individual's birthday, and he drew the number 300 at a time when no one drawing higher than 195 was drafted.

"When Governor Romney's deferment for college and missionary service ended, he made himself available for military service, and his name went into the lottery, but he was not selected," Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom said via e-mail.

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Re: Martin Bashir - Romney's selective memory on his draft record
« Reply #43 on: June 13, 2012, 01:48:58 AM »

LOL.   Seriously?   See, I admit what romney is, and have done so from day one, as almost everyone voting for him.   Obama drones still cant give up their cultish worship of obama to at least admit he is a liar as well. 

Yes, mittens is a liar, but like Hugo said - he is not obama and that will be good enough for 51-55% in november when he landslides the election. 

They are both liars but Obama wins on foreign policy and the fact that he inherited a mess and it looks better now

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Re: Martin Bashir - Romney's selective memory on his draft record
« Reply #44 on: June 13, 2012, 01:56:25 AM »
I thought libs were all cool with draft-dodging. It almost reminds me of how Obama thought Afghanistan was the "proper war" to fight. Now, he and his supporters are all against the Afghanistan conflict.

And, how did he dodge the draft? He actually entered it but his number wasn't called.


Hahaha yes no liberals have ever served in the army ::)

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Re: Martin Bashir - Romney's selective memory on his draft record
« Reply #45 on: June 13, 2012, 03:18:33 AM »
Here's the full Michael Kranish article, courtesy of the "SomethingAintFunny" blogsite:

Mormon church obtained Vietnam draft deferrals for Romney, [and] other missionaries

By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff  |  June 24, 2007


As the Vietnam War raged in the 1960s, Mitt Romney received a deferment from the draft as a Mormon "minister of religion" for the duration of his missionary work in France, which lasted two and a half years.

Before and after his missionary deferment, Romney also received nearly three years of deferments for his academic studies. When his deferments ended and he became eligible for military service in 1970, he drew a high number in the annual lottery that determined which young men were drafted. His high number ensured he was not drafted into the military.

The deferments for Mormon missionaries became increasingly controversial in the late 1960s, especially in Utah, leading the Mormon Church and the government to limit the number of church missionaries who could put off their military service. That agreement called for each church ward, or church district, to designate one male every six months to be exempted from potential duty for the duration of his missionary work.

Romney's home state was Michigan, making his 4-D exemption as a missionary all but automatic because of the relatively small number of Mormon missionaries from that state. It might have been more difficult in Utah, where the huge Mormon population meant that there were sometimes more missionaries than available exemptions. Most missions lasted two and a half years, as Romney's did.

Barry Mayo, who was counselor to the bishop of the ward in Pontiac, Michigan, where Romney attended church, recalled in an interview that wards were allowed to exempt one missionary every six months from the draft. He said that he could not recall any time in which more than one potential draftee sought an exemption in the ward in a six-month period, so Romney's deferment was never in doubt.

"I was aware of the fact that there was an agreement of some sort of between the church and the Selective Service because there were some wards mostly in the West where the congregation was large and the number of youth was large," Mayo said. "The circumstances were very different here. Our congregation was small and the number of youth were small. To the best of my knowledge we never had a situation where we had more than two young men wanting to go in any one year... So I don't believe that we ever had to discourage someone from going on a mission because he was above that two-per-year limit."

Mayo said no records are available from the period that would show how Romney's deferment was handled. But he said he recalled "the conclusion was `we really don't have to worry about [exceeding the quota] because we were never in that situation.' "

By serving as a missionary and being given the deferment, Romney ensured that he would not be drafted from July 1966 until February 1969. Romney's draft record from the time describes him as "minister of religion or divinity student." Mayo said the church would have considered Romney a minister.

Romney, who has said he would have served if he had been drafted, shed some light on his view of the matter in a recent interview with the Globe.

"I really don’t recall thinking about political positions when I was knocking at the door in France" as a missionary, Romney said. "I was supportive of my country. I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam."

At the same time, Romney said, he was influenced by the statement of his father, then-Michigan Governor George W. Romney, who said in 1967 that he had been "brainwashed" by US officials about Vietnam. "When my dad said that he had been wrong about Vietnam and that it was a mistake and they had been brainwashed and so forth, I certainly trusted him and believed him," Romney said.

The exemption for Mormon missionaries created controversy at the time. Non-Mormons in Utah filed a lawsuit against the federal government in 1968. The suit was still in court two years later, at a time when "the church and the Selective Service System work hand-in-hand in deferring the missionaries," according to an article from the period published by The New York Times.

Richard Leedy, the lawyer who brought the suit, said in a telephone interview that he did so because "the substantial number of deferments to missionaries made the likelihood of us non-Mormons going to Vietnam a lot more likely."

Separately, Romney's draft service was deferred due to his status as a full-time student for about three years.

Romney registered with the Selective Service in April 1965 but was not considered readily available for military service until December 1970. His name was then put into the lottery based on an individual's birthday, and he drew the number 300 at a time when no one drawing higher than 195 was drafted.

"When Governor Romney's deferment for college and missionary service ended, he made himself available for military service, and his name went into the lottery, but he was not selected," Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom said via e-mail.


Doh.  Thread backfire.  MSNBC again proving it deserves to be a bottom feeder.

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Re: Martin Bashir - Romney's selective memory on his draft record
« Reply #46 on: June 13, 2012, 04:01:20 AM »
The hard leftists like whork/blackass/andre/240/straw.option F/ et al are in for a rude awakening when Barack Kardashian gets landslided.   

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Re: Martin Bashir - Romney's selective memory on his draft record
« Reply #47 on: June 13, 2012, 05:18:08 AM »
The hard leftists like whork/blackass/andre/240/straw.option F/ et al are in for a rude awakening when Barack Kardashian gets landslided.   

And what exactly does this rude awakening consist off?

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Re: Martin Bashir - Romney's selective memory on his draft record
« Reply #48 on: June 13, 2012, 05:49:35 AM »
Isn't Martin Bashir the same idiot that claimed the Florida voter roll "purge" of 2k thousand people was like Stalin's purges and an act that ""Stalin would be proud of"?


This guys an idiot. MSNBC is proving, yet again, that they aren't to be trusted.

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Re: Martin Bashir - Romney's selective memory on his draft record
« Reply #49 on: June 13, 2012, 05:56:47 AM »
He decided to go do missionairy work in France because he didn't want to go fight in a war.

That's his choice.   Buy saying he "LONGED" to go to war -

joining in PRO war rallies before the war, and ANTI war rallies after the war...

and the fact anyone who "longed" to go to war probably wouldn't sign up for 4 deferrments...


Well, if you believe romney longed for war, you probably believe Cain never acted inappropriately in 43 years, and that Zimmerman is an honest man.