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Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« on: August 30, 2012, 04:55:14 AM »
Paul Ryan's vice presidential acceptance speech ran into a lot of trouble with fact-checkers and journalists.

It seemed like some reporters' heads were going to explode on Twitter as Ryan spoke. For instance, he blasted President Obama for not doing more to keep a GM plant in his hometown open. The problem was that the plant closed before Obama took office. He also criticized Obama for rejecting recommendations from a debt commission that he himself sat on, and whose findings he also rejected.
The Washington Post flatly said, "Ryan misleads on GM plant closing."

Some media watchers expressed initital frustration at the lack of fact-checking they were seeing on television during Ryan's speech:


On CNN, Wolf Blitzer and Erin Burnett began by slightly skirting the issue immediately after the speech.

"I marked seven or eight points I'm sure the fact checkers will have some opportunities to dispute if they want to go forward," Blitzer said. "I'm sure they will." He did not specify what the points were.

After a correspondent's interview with Ryan's family — and a fair amount of criticism — Blitzer noted that he had been getting emails from Democrats and others about what, in his words, "they claim were falsehoods, misleading statements, lies, if you will, that were made by Paul Ryan. And I guess that fact-checking is only beginning."

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2012, 05:02:45 AM »
Paul Ryan fails -- the truth
By Jonathan Bernstein

It was, by any reasonable standards, a staggering, staggering lie. Here’s Paul Ryan about Barack Obama:

He created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing.

“They.” “Them.” “Them.” Those words are lies. Because Paul Ryan was on that commission. “Came back with an urgent report.” That is a lie. The commission never made any recommendations for Barack Obama to support or oppose. Why not? Because the commission voted down its own recommendations. Why? Because Paul Ryan, a member of the commission, voted it down and successfully convinced the other House Republicans on the commission to vote it down.

That wasn’t the only bit of mendacity – lazy mendacity, incredibly lazy mendacity – in Ryan’s speech. Twitter lit up as soon as he started telling the story of the Janesville auto plant that Barack Obama didn’t save – a plant that, it turns out, closed before Obama was president. And of course there’s the infamous cuts to Medicare that Ryan lambasted Obama for without happening to mention that those very same cuts were in Paul Ryan’s own budget. Yes: absolutely everything in Obamacare is an abomination, says Paul Ryan, except for (as he forgets to mention) the cuts to Medicare that he supports – and yet he still singles that part out to use as an attack ...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/paul-ryan-fails----the-truth/2012/08/29/bbfe1eac-f254-11e1-b74c-84ed55e0300b_blog.html

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2012, 05:22:42 AM »
"We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers," Romney pollster Neil Newhouse said at a panel organized by ABC News.
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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2012, 05:25:21 AM »
HAHAHAHHAha

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2012, 06:00:25 AM »
Chris Matthews Hints Ryan's 'Very Nasty' Speech Was Directed to Racists
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Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:23:01 AM


Minutes after Paul Ryan finished his RNC speech on Wednesday, MSNBC's Chris Matthews slammed the Republican vice presidential candidate for supposedly ignoring blacks during his "very constricted, very negative, very nasty speech," and suggested that he was directing the address to racists: "It's clear that Paul Ryan was talking to people who think about rights as something...produced by Thomas Jefferson, ignoring the people for whom the rights only came in the 1960s."

Matthews added that "for some reason, they never mentioned those things, because they're talking to people - let's be honest about this - who didn't feel – the benefit, at all, from those civil rights, and I think that's very important to point out."

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2012, 06:01:29 AM »
How is that a lie?   We went over simpson Bowles many times here and Erskine Bowles himself said obama did not push it due to politics in the WH 




Paul Ryan fails -- the truth
By Jonathan Bernstein

It was, by any reasonable standards, a staggering, staggering lie. Here’s Paul Ryan about Barack Obama:

He created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing.

“They.” “Them.” “Them.” Those words are lies. Because Paul Ryan was on that commission. “Came back with an urgent report.” That is a lie. The commission never made any recommendations for Barack Obama to support or oppose. Why not? Because the commission voted down its own recommendations. Why? Because Paul Ryan, a member of the commission, voted it down and successfully convinced the other House Republicans on the commission to vote it down.

That wasn’t the only bit of mendacity – lazy mendacity, incredibly lazy mendacity – in Ryan’s speech. Twitter lit up as soon as he started telling the story of the Janesville auto plant that Barack Obama didn’t save – a plant that, it turns out, closed before Obama was president. And of course there’s the infamous cuts to Medicare that Ryan lambasted Obama for without happening to mention that those very same cuts were in Paul Ryan’s own budget. Yes: absolutely everything in Obamacare is an abomination, says Paul Ryan, except for (as he forgets to mention) the cuts to Medicare that he supports – and yet he still singles that part out to use as an attack ...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/paul-ryan-fails----the-truth/2012/08/29/bbfe1eac-f254-11e1-b74c-84ed55e0300b_blog.html

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2012, 06:30:30 AM »
Ryan used very well-written wording - I believe "lawlerly" is the phrase.  He will be technically covered on every position.

And repubs can't show the video of these alleged falsehoods without showing the blue-eyed golden boy smiling with tens of thousands of people cheering for him.

I don't think much of this footage ends up in ads.   

it's like hating on Angelina Jolie for farting in the shower.  You're still looking at a naked wet Angelina Jolie.  Ya know?

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2012, 06:33:07 AM »
The only liars are those calling Ryan a liar.

Everything he said is true and it will be even more clear and evident to the American public when he debates Biden. That is going to be a beatdown of epic proportions. Ryan will be to Biden what Tyson was to Trevor Berbick.


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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2012, 06:34:53 AM »
Ryan used very well-written wording - I believe "lawlerly" is the phrase.  He will be technically covered on every position.

And repubs can't show the video of these alleged falsehoods without showing the blue-eyed golden boy smiling with tens of thousands of people cheering for him.

I don't think much of this footage ends up in ads.   

it's like hating on Angelina Jolie for farting in the shower.  You're still looking at a naked wet Angelina Jolie.  Ya know?

I think it's actually "smarticalistic."
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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2012, 06:36:07 AM »
The left is melting down about Ryan calling out RATbama for simpson bowles failures.  Funny - Even Erskine Bowles attacked obama for putting politics ahead of the nation. 

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2012, 06:41:02 AM »
The left is melting down about Ryan calling out RATbama for simpson bowles failures.  Funny - Even Erskine Bowles attacked obama for putting politics ahead of the nation. 

Come on, man. What the hell are you doing? Why do you keep bringing facts into this topic?

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2012, 06:49:26 AM »
Gotta love George Stephonoplus getting an email from a DEMOCRATIC OPERATIVE directly after the speech.....AND THEN READING IT ON AIR.

What a joke, an absolute joke. The medias coverage of the RNC has been a pathetic sham, journalists they are not.

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2012, 07:24:58 AM »
Obama Camp Melts Down Over Ryan's Speech

By Guy Benson

8/30/2012


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/08/30/obama_camp_melts_down_over_ryans_speech




 The Obama campaign is lashing out at Paul Ryan, claiming that his fantastic convention speech last night was packed with falsehoods and lies.  Here's their hysterical response video:



To the surprise of no one, the ad's "rebuttals" are misleading and wrong themselves.  Point by point:
 
 
(1) They begin with video of CNN reporters discussing accusations of Ryan's "lies." This is proof that the Obama campaign sent out a lot of angry emails, and nothing else.
 
(2) Medicare - Sorry, guys, but it is 100 percent true that Obamacare raided $716 Billion from Medicare to pay for itself.  It does cut benefits to current seniors.  And Paul Ryan's plan took the president's Medicare "savings," and re-routed them back into Medicare to shore up the program.  Mitt Romney's plan would undo those cuts altogether.  Obama took those cuts and used them to pay for Obamacare.  He has admitted this on camera:
 
(3) The GM Plant - Part of the factory Ryan mentioned was shut down under Bush, despite the initial GM bailout (which Senator Obama supported).  The plant finally fully closed in April of 2009, during Obama's presidency, as this report clearly states.  Obama's problem is that he showed up and made empty promises to pander for votes.  Ryan never said Obama was personally responsible for the plant's closure, but he accurately stated that it closed down within a year of candidate Obama's hope-filled speech and remains closed today.  Obama goes on and on about "saving" the auto industry and his economic recovery.  That boarded-up Janesville plant tells a different story.
 
(4) The Stimulus - Pointing out that Paul Ryan asked that his district receive a slice of a giant, wasteful pie after it was passed -- and despite his opposition -- is at worst an instance of hypocrisy.  It does not disprove anything that Ryan said in his speech, and it does not change the empirical fact that Barack Obama's borrowed stimulus has utterly failed based on the metrics for success Obama himself set out for it.
 
(5) The debt commission - What Ryan said is absolutely correct.  The Obama ad quotes Chris Wallace, who notes that Ryan was on that commission and voted against it.  True.  He refused to abide the section maintaining Obamacare, and voted no on its final findings.  Still, he was intimately involved in the group's deliberations and proposed solutions.  Not fully happy with the final outcome, he went on to craft two budgets of his own, with numerous elements based on the Simpson-Bowles framework.  The commission's Democratic co-chairman (Bowles of Simpson-Bowles) has praised Ryan's proposals to the hilt.  Barack Obama, who convened the commission in the first place after deriding commissions on the campaign trail, completely ignored its recommendations and proceeded to propose to wildly reckless, debt-busting budgets that received a total of zero votes in either house of Congress.  Correctly asserting that Ryan opposed the final Simpson-Bowles recommendations is no way absolves Obama for his demonstrable abdication of leadership on these issues.  It's more smoke and mirrors -- and more petty Obama blame, another central theme of Ryan's address.
 
(6) Chris Matthews called the speech "nasty."  Stop the presses!
 

If this is all they've got, it's no wonder they're freaking out.  Paul Ryan told the truth about Barack Obama, and the president's campaign can't handle it.
 

UPDATE - More smoking-gun video, this time on the GM plant.  This aired in April 2009:
 
 



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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2012, 07:48:37 AM »
FACT CHECK: Obama promised and failed to keep Janesville GM plant open

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FACT CHECK: Obama promised and failed to keep Janesville GM plant open

 

Last night, in his Republican National Convention speech, Paul Ryan said:
 

President Barack Obama came to office during an economic crisis, as he has reminded us a time or two. Those were very tough days, and any fair measure of his record has to take that into account. My home state voted for President Obama. When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it, especially in Janesville, where we were about to lose a major factory.

A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: “I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.” That’s what he said in 2008.
 
Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight.
 
The Washington Post, and a host of other liberal media outlets, are calling this passage “misleading” because the Janesville plant “closed before the president was inaugurated.” The Post is dead wrong. Here are the facts:
 
1. On February 13, 2008 Obama said in Janesville : “I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years.”
 
2. In June 2008 GM announced that the Janesville plant would stop production of medium-duty trucks by the end of 2009, and stop production of large SUVs in 2010 or sooner.
 
3. In October 2008 Obama doubled down on his promise to keep Janesville plant open: “As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America.”
 
4. In December 2008 GM idled production of GM SUVs at the Janesville plant. Medium-duty truck assembly continued.
 
5. In April 2009, four months after Obama was inaugurated, GM idled production of medium-duty trucks.
 
6. In September 2011, more than two years after Obama was inaugurated, GM reiterates that Janesville plant is on “stand by status.” Auto industry observer David Cole, tells the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel it would be premature to say the Janesville plant will never reopen.
 
6. Today the GM facility in Janesville still has not been retooled “so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs,” as Obama promised.

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2012, 08:13:31 AM »

 8/30/2012 @ 1:21AM |9,920 views

Yes, Paul Ryan Spoke the Truth About Obama's Fiscal Record at the Republican Convention




TAMPA, FL - AUGUST 29: Republican vice presidential candidate, U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) waves with his family during the third day of the Republican National Convention at the Tampa Bay Times Forum on August 29, 2012 in Tampa, Florida. (Image credit: Getty Images via @daylife)

Progressive bloggers and TV personalities are up in arms about Paul Ryan’s speech at the Republican National Convention last night. Several of their accusations revolve around Paul Ryan’s own fiscal record, and his description of President Obama’s. I asked my liberal friends on Twitter to send me an itemized list of Ryan’s alleged lies, and they kindly obliged. So far, Ryan appears to have the better of the argument.

(Disclosure: I am an outside adviser to the Romney campaign on health care issues, but the opinions in this post are mine, and do not necessarily correspond to those of the campaign.)

Dave Weigel of Slate compiled a useful list. (For a longer one, visit ThinkProgress.) Wrote Weigel, “Ryan plowed through one of the more impressive strings of whoppers we’ve seen at this level,” wrote Weigel. Here are his complaints, in order of importance.

Charge #1: Paul Ryan accused Obama of cutting Medicare by $716 billion, but Ryan’s own budget preserved those cuts.

Here’s what Ryan actually said (emphasis added):


And the biggest, coldest power play of all in Obamacare came at the expense of the elderly.

You see, even with all the hidden taxes to pay for the health care takeover, even with new taxes on nearly a million small businesses, the planners in Washington still didn’t have enough money.  They needed more.  They needed hundreds of billions more.  So, they just took it all away from Medicare.  Seven hundred and sixteen billion dollars, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama.  An obligation we have to our parents and grandparents is being sacrificed, all to pay for a new entitlement we didn’t even ask for.  The greatest threat to Medicare is Obamacare, and we’re going to stop it.

In Congress, when they take out the heavy books and wall charts about Medicare, my thoughts go back to a house on Garfield Street in Janesville.  My wonderful grandma, Janet, had Alzheimer’s and moved in with Mom and me.  Though she felt lost at times, we did all the little things that made her feel loved.

We had help from Medicare, and it was there, just like it’s there for my Mom today.  Medicare is a promise, and we will honor it.  A Romney-Ryan administration will protect and strengthen Medicare, for my Mom’s generation, for my generation, and for my kids and yours.

So our opponents can consider themselves on notice.  In this election, on this issue, the usual posturing on the Left isn’t going to work.  Mitt Romney and I know the difference between protecting a program, and raiding it.  Ladies and gentlemen, our nation needs this debate.  We want this debate.  We will win this debate.
 
Here are the facts. It’s true that Ryan’s budgets in 2011 and 2012 preserved Obamacare’s cuts to Medicare. However, there is a huge difference between cutting Medicare by $716 billion to fund $1.9 trillion in new health spending, as Obamacare did, and cutting Medicare by $716 billion to shore up the solvency of the Medicare program itself, as the Ryan budget sought to do.

Secondly, the Romney Medicare plan fully repeals Obamacare, including the $716 billion in Medicare cuts.

APOTHEFACT JUDGMENT: Ryan is correct. Ryan makes the appropriate distinction between improving Medicare’s solvency and cutting its spending to fund spending elsewhere.



Charge #2: Paul Ryan criticized Obama for ignoring the recommendations of the Simpson-Bowles deficit commission. But Ryan voted against those recommendations himself.

Here’s what Ryan said (emphasis added):


He created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report.  He thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing.

Republicans stepped up with good-faith reforms and solutions equal to the problems.  How did the president respond?  By doing nothing – nothing except to dodge and demagogue the issue.
 
It’s true that Paul Ryan voted against the Simpson-Bowles recommendations. He did so because Simpson-Bowles raised taxes while doing little to nothing about health-care spending, the biggest driver of growing deficits. However, by rejecting Simpson-Bowles, Ryan felt morally obligated to put forth his own plan, and did so—several times, in the form of his Path to Prosperity and his 2011 and 2012 House budget resolutions.

Notably, he took advantage of his tenure on the Bowles-Simpson commission to forge a bipartisan compromise with Bill Clinton’s budget chief, Alice Rivlin, on Medicare reform.

By contrast, President Obama scuttled a bipartisan Congressional deal to achieve long-term fiscal reform. A few months ago, President Obama sent a budget to Congress for fiscal year 2013, that did not bother to attempt to balance the budget, and was defeated unanimously in both houses, failing to even get a single Democratic vote.

Here’s what Erskine Bowles, President Clinton’s former chief of staff and the leader of President Obama’s deficit commission, had to say about Paul Ryan in September of 2011:


I’m telling you, this guy is amazing. I always thought I was okay with arithmetic. This guy can run circles around me. He is honest, he is straightforward, he is sincere. And the budget he came forward with is just like Paul Ryan. It is a sensible, straightforward, honest, serious budget and it cut the budget deficit just like we did by four trillion dollars.
 
By contrast, here is what Bowles said about Obama’s budget:


The president came out with his own plan. And the president, as you remember, came out with a budget. And I don’t think anybody took that budget very seriously. The Senate voted against it 97 to nothing.

He therefore, after a lot of pressure from folks like me, he came out with a new budget framework. And in that budget framework, he cuts the budget by four trillion dollars over twelve years. And, to be candid, this four trillion dollars cut was very heavily back-end loaded. So, that if you looked at it on a ten-year basis and compared apples to apples, it really was about a two and a half trillion dollar cut.
 
APOTHEFACT JUDGMENT: Ryan is correct. Ryan’s credibility on deficit reduction is on the record, and has been endorsed by prominent Democrats. By contrast, Obama’s FY 2013 budget didn’t garner a single vote in Congress.

Charge #3: Paul Ryan blamed Obama for Standard & Poor’s downgrade of American government debt from AAA to AA+, but Paul Ryan is actually to blame because he resisted tax increases that would have closed the deficit.

Here is what Ryan said: President Obama’s term “began with a perfect Triple-A credit rating for the United States; it ends with a downgraded America.”

I suppose it’s true that you can blame Ryan and the rest of the GOP for opposing trillions in tax increases, but it’s conversely true that you can blame Democrats for opposing spending cuts. At the end of the day, the question is who has been more constructive on the question of improving our long-term fiscal situation.

APOTHEFACT JUDGMENT: Ryan is correct that Obama has presided over this historic downgrade, but Republicans deserve a meaningful proportion of the blame for the fiscal situation that Obama inherited and then made worse.

Charge #4: Paul Ryan opposed the stimulus, but he lobbied for stimulus grants that went to his district.

Here is what Ryan said (emphasis added):


The first troubling sign came with the stimulus.  It was President Obama’s first and best shot at fixing the economy, at a time when he got everything he wanted under one-party rule.  It cost $831 billion – the largest one-time expenditure ever by our federal government.

It went to companies like Solyndra, with their gold-plated connections, subsidized jobs, and make-believe markets. The stimulus was a case of political patronage, corporate welfare, and cronyism at their worst. You, the working men and women of this country, were cut out of the deal.

What did the taxpayers get out of the Obama stimulus?  More debt.  That money wasn’t just spent and wasted – it was borrowed, spent, and wasted.

We can debate the merits of the stimulus, but I certainly share Ryan’s view that the stimulus was a case of political patronage and corporate welfare at its worst. It is also true that Ryan did seek some stimulus money for his district after the law was passed. Ryan had initially said that he had not taken any stimulus money, but was forced to correct that record after it turned out that his staff had sought stimulus money for two of his constituents.
 
In addition, Ryan voted for a similarly misguided temporary stimulus package under President Bush.

The substantive question is: once a stimulus is a fait accompli, is it immoral for a Congressman to ensure that his constituents’ federal tax dollars are redirected back into his district? To me, that’s not a big deal, but others may disagree.

APOTHEFACT JUDGMENT: Ryan is correct in his criticisms of the Obama stimulus, but it is true that Ryan voted for wasteful spending measures in the 2000s. In the minds of many, including me, Ryan’s courage in taking on entitlement reform redeems those earlier failures. But others may disagree.

Parting thoughts

Finally, Weigel and a number of other commentators complained about the Janesville General Motors plant that Ryan cited in his speech. Ryan pointed out that Obama promised that, under his administration, “this plant will be here for another hundred years.” But it closed in December 2008, before President Obama was inaugurated, and didn’t reopen under President Obama’s GM bailout, which is the focus of Ryan’s criticism. As this is a health-care and fiscal blog, I’m going to let others argue about that one.

If there are other things about Paul Ryan’s speech that you want me to write about, put them in the comments and I’ll add updates. In the meantime, I’m going to bed.

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UPDATE: Jonathan Adler of National Review offers these observations about the Janesville GM plant closing:


Pundits and fact-checkers are claiming that Paul Ryan misrepresented the history of the Janesville, Wisconsin General Motors plant in his convention speech.  The primary charge is that the plant closed when Bush was still President.  It seems the fact-checkers need to double-check their facts, however.  While GM first announced plans to shutter the plant in 2008, the plant was not actually idled until 2009 (as reported here and noted here), and the shut-down schedule was faster than GM had initially announced.  In 2008 GM said it would close the plant by 2010.  What many of the “fact-checkers” missed is that an auto plant can produce more than one thing, so ending one production line need not lead to an actual plant closure.  Conn Carroll has the rundown of the actual facts here.  (More at Twitchy.)
 


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This article is available online at:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/08/30/yes-paul-ryan-spoke-the-truth-about-obamas-fiscal-record/
 


 

 

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2012, 09:00:04 AM »
You know that Ryan is saying the truth when the Dems and their supporters are melting all over the place claiming Ryan lied but can't provide a single fact or evidence supporting their assertion.

Democratic party is a disgrace.

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2012, 09:06:11 AM »
I like how people defer to these self-anointed "fact checkers" as some sort of authority. It's cute.

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2012, 09:22:03 AM »
I like Facts. 

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2012, 09:24:11 AM »
1.  The speech was perfect - not over the top, not rock star, but controlled and positive and really did what it needed to do to support Romney.  EXACTLY what you want from a veep.

2.  Yes, there were some items that were false, such as this one.  Paul Ryan gave a great speech but did miss this one.

Ryan then noted that Obama, while campaigning for president, promised that a GM plant in Wisconsin would not shut down. "That plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight," Ryan said.

Except Obama didn't promise that. And the plant closed in December 2008 -- while George W. Bush was president.


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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2012, 09:24:41 AM »
I like Facts. 

Good - because what Ryan said was truth last night.  

There is no defense whatsoever to obamas' horrible record.  

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2012, 09:25:25 AM »
1.  The speech was perfect - not over the top, not rock star, but controlled and positive and really did what it needed to do to support Romney.  EXACTLY what you want from a veep.

2.  Yes, there were some items that were false, such as this one.  Paul Ryan gave a great speech but did miss this one.

Ryan then noted that Obama, while campaigning for president, promised that a GM plant in Wisconsin would not shut down. "That plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight," Ryan said.

Except Obama didn't promise that. And the plant closed in December 2008 -- while George W. Bush was president.



BULLSHIT! 

I debunked that shit already three times.  Why do you keep lying? 

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2012, 09:26:02 AM »
1.  The speech was perfect - not over the top, not rock star, but controlled and positive and really did what it needed to do to support Romney.  EXACTLY what you want from a veep.

2.  Yes, there were some items that were false, such as this one.  Paul Ryan gave a great speech but did miss this one.

Ryan then noted that Obama, while campaigning for president, promised that a GM plant in Wisconsin would not shut down. "That plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight," Ryan said.

Except Obama didn't promise that. And the plant closed in December 2008 -- while George W. Bush was president.



That wasn't a miss, 240. Did you not read the other posts? The plant was partially closed in 2008. Then in 2009...after Obama's speech there, it was totally shuttered and remains so to this day.

Reading is a skill.

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2012, 09:26:22 AM »
I debunked that shit already three times.  Why do you keep lying?  

Sorry, i've  been at the zoo all morning and missed getbig, this was the first thread i read.   Link to proof?   Dont go jumping on me, i was petting manta rays all morning.

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2012, 09:27:58 AM »
Sorry, i've  been at the zoo all morning and missed getbig, this was the first thread i read.   Link to proof?   Dont go jumping on me, i was petting manta rays all morning.

The Washington Post, and a host of other liberal media outlets, are calling this passage “misleading” because the Janesville plant “closed before the president was inaugurated.” The Post is dead wrong. Here are the facts:
 
1. On February 13, 2008 Obama said in Janesville : “I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years.”
 
2. In June 2008 GM announced that the Janesville plant would stop production of medium-duty trucks by the end of 2009, and stop production of large SUVs in 2010 or sooner.
 
3. In October 2008 Obama doubled down on his promise to keep Janesville plant open: “As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America.”
 
4. In December 2008 GM idled production of GM SUVs at the Janesville plant. Medium-duty truck assembly continued.
 
5. In April 2009, four months after Obama was inaugurated, GM idled production of medium-duty trucks.
 
6. In September 2011, more than two years after Obama was inaugurated, GM reiterates that Janesville plant is on “stand by status.” Auto industry observer David Cole, tells the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel it would be premature to say the Janesville plant will never reopen.
 
6. Today the GM facility in Janesville still has not been retooled “so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs,” as Obama promised.