IFBB Pro -Milos Sarcev..and his 'insulin protocols'

[Methyl m1ke]

Why did God make insulin if it's the root of all evil physically?

All things in excess are bad, test, gh, insulin, thyroid, you name it.

Never touched it but from what I read it's right there with heroin in addictiveness. A lifetime
of benzo use awaits if a heavy user ever gets off. Permanent alteration in brain chemistry.

Though I did talk to one dude pretty recently who just got out of jail for getting caught with 600 liters. Claims he had no withdrawals in jail, but he only used in the evenings.

GHB is not addictive in the least. For some period of time I drank it every day and in the beginning It was only at night for GH benefits (which I never saw) but later I realized x and meth were even better on G and my use escalated. I recall often waking up with no memory of the night before with an outline of my body on the floor left behind (lik a chalk outline but made of sweat.) When monster go t popped GHB became hard to get and it wasn't a big deal. To this day it comes around and I don't bother becaus it's never as good as it used to be. Point being GHB addiction is a total myth.

[Methyl m1ke]

it's not the insulin blurring the lines... it's bodyfat and water.

I used copious amounts and when I was big, I wasn't 'crisp' or deeply separated. Then recently (a few months ago) I was the leanest, driest, most separated i'd ever been.

it's also not insulin causing 'growth' of the muscles in the stomach. In my opinion, based on my experience, anyways. It's the ability of insulin to make you hungry alllllll the time, and gh's ability to keep you lean when pounding down food. That much food bloats your stomach. Doesn't matter if you're 12% or 5% bf.

I say 'in my experience', because when I was big (bbing 'big', not when I was pling), my stomach was in the 36-38's. Hard with abs/serratus ect. Now a few months ago I was down to 31 damn near 30, and couldn't push my stomach out if I tried. If it were permanent growth, that wouldn't have happened (esp considering about 18months before that I was at a 41" waist and about 50lbs heavier (heavier than I was then, not now).

Best theory I have found thus far

[Methyl m1ke]

Mods I understand the why nots of being heavy handed a la censorship but look at this thread for example lots of good content why not remove posts that are purely flames and useless bullshit? Getbig would be much better off inmy opinion. Removing trolling flaming posts ought to be standard

[BossBoss]

GHB is not addictive in the least.

You will wake up every 2,5 ours and have to take your next dose in order to sleep when addicted to it.
'Hard to get' You could just take GBL or BDO which is almost the same. (but stronger)

To produce GHB they use industrial GBL or BDO which is sometimes contaminated with heavy metals.
Also beside relaxing it is pointless for Bodybuilding. (+ double or tripple your dose, by mistake, you die.)

[Van_Bilderass]

GHB is not addictive in the least.


Point being GHB addiction is a total myth.

Yeah I call total bullshit on that. It's been documented enough, it's extremely addictive. Tens of thousand of testimonials describing its addictiveness on the net.

There are NO GABA drugs that are totally forgiving like that.
It's like saying benzos or alcohol aren't addictive - there are always outliers that claim the opposite but it's not the rule.

Also, if you stopped the GHB and were on stims it clouds the issue somewhat as different drugs can sometimes mask the withdrawals of other classes of drugs. Sometimes.

If GHB wasn't addictive we'd all be on it, I mean why not?

You will wake up every 2,5 ours and have to take your next dose in order to sleep when addicted to it.

Exactly. Almost all describe this exact scenario.

[Taffin]

GHB is not addictive in the least. For some period of time I drank it every day and in the beginning It was only at night for GH benefits (which I never saw) but later I realized x and meth were even better on G and my use escalated. I recall often waking up with no memory of the night before with an outline of my body on the floor left behind (lik a chalk outline but made of sweat.) When monster go t popped GHB became hard to get and it wasn't a big deal. To this day it comes around and I don't bother becaus it's never as good as it used to be. Point being GHB addiction is a total myth.

Dude - try telling that to Justin Rys (PIP)


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The tragic case of body builder Justin Rys . 
Posted by roger brooking on November 21, 2011
Posted in: Prisoners stories.   5 Comments

This is a sad story. It’s about a man with an obsession – an obsession which is so out of control, it’s killing him. That man is Justin Rys, New Zealand’s most successful body builder. He has won a number of titles in his short life including Mr New Zealand, Mr Australasia and Mr Oceania.

To help build body mass, Mr Rys uses steroids, growth hormones and other drugs. The steroids have enlarged and weakened his heart, which has led to breathing difficulties.  By the time he was 24, his heart was already so weak that he collapsed one day and had to be taken to hospital. He was told he could be dead within five years. But Mr Rys was a driven man and figured he had nothing to lose – and now he was going to die anyway. Once he got out of hospital, he continued using body building drugs and working out.

Fantasy (GHB and GBL)

One of the drugs he used was GBL a Class B drug with the street name – Fantasy. GBL promotes the body’s production of growth hormone and strengthens muscle tone. In the US, it is used as a treatment for cataplexy – a condition in which patients lose muscle tone and collapse.  Mr Rys began using GBL at age 19. Eventually he was taking up to 120 mls a day – enough to kill a recreational user. (A recreational dose, inducing a pleasant sense of well-being, is about 2 – 4 mls.)

GBL was made illegal in New Zealand in 2002 by which time Mr Rys had already been using it for five years. In 2007, at the age of,  he was arrested for importation and given a nine year sentence  – reduced on appeal to seven years. He was released on parole in 2010. Soon after, he headed to Fiji where steroids and GBL could be legally purchased at chemist shops. Not surprisingly, his heart condition deteriorated rapidly. He returned to New Zealand after only two months, collapsed getting off  the  plane and spent 10 days in  hospital. This time the specialists told him he probably had only 12 months to live.

Megarexia

This is seriously compulsive behaviour and one can’t help but wonder why someone would do this to themselves. The reality is that Mr Rys is driven by something stronger than drug addiction. He has muscle dysmorphic disorder, sometimes known as megarexia. When he looks in the mirror, he sees himself as small even though he looks massive compared to you and I.  Megarexia is the opposite of anorexia in which those afflicted are so obsessed with their weight, they may starve themselves to death.

When Mr Rys got out of hospital, his heart specialist told him he had to lose weight – no easy task for someone with megarexia. But he tried and over the next six months he lost about 20kg. But losing weight made him depressed and he didn’t feel any better. He was going to die anyway so what difference did it make – the allure of the Fantasy came back to his mind.

It was then that Mr Rys discovered a beauty product called EzFlow Tip Blender which was 70% GBL, 30% alcohol and available on TradeMe  This product is used by beauticians up and down the country and imported into New Zealand by a company in Whakatane. The owner of this company said she had been importing it since 2003 (after GBL was declared illegal). She even has a dangerous goods certificate from the Customs Service giving her permission.

After further investigation, Mr Rys found that GBL is also a naturally occurring by product in the manufacture of wine and most wines contain small quantities. It’s also used in a variety of industrial products. The fact that GBL is present in so many other products and EzFlow Tip Blender was being imported with the blessing of the Customs Service lulled Mr Rys into a false sense of hope – or fantasy – perhaps EzFlow Tip Blender was not an illegal product. So he imported large quantities for his personal use from the same company in the United States that the beauticians in New Zealand get it from.

The Customs Service didn’t like that. Mr Rys was known to have a criminal record. So they prosecuted him and charged him with importation of a Class B drug. They didn’t charge beauticians who had been breaking the law for nine years; nor did they charge anyone importing wine containing GBL. As far as the Customs Service is concerned, there seems to be one law for Justin Rys and another one for everyone else using this product.

Mr Rys is currently on remand in Rimutaka prison.  His health is so poor, he takes seven different medications. His heart is so weak, he gets short of breath and struggles to breathe at night. He has apnoea – he stops breathing when he falls asleep and requires an oxygen mask to assist his breathing. Without the mask, he almost suffocates in his sleep which wakes him up.  This happens dozens of times a night.

Mr Rys’ addiction is unusual. He has two drivers for his drug addiction – muscle dysmorphic disorder which is a life threatening mental health condition and the addictive nature of the drugs themselves