Author Topic: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?  (Read 11660 times)

The Grim Lifter

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 3810
Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #50 on: August 05, 2013, 05:53:20 AM »
You guys always changing your stance, lololol. The Bible never changes and has been and always will be right.

That's not true. Fucking little kids isn't accepted like it used to be.

Man of Steel

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 19404
  • Isaiah40:28-31 ✝ Romans10:9 ✝ 1Peter3:15
Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #51 on: August 05, 2013, 07:38:17 AM »
I guess I don't understand all the fuss.....wasn't this the point of supercollider.....to help find new information?   The field of physics is gaining some new information and may possibly update some of their original models, but isn't this what we always do with newly discovered information?  Determine if the current models/theories need revision based on the new findings?  Isn't this the normal course for scientific explorers seeking the truth?

Feels like par for the course in my book.

Rami

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 8120
  • One Hundred Percent
Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #52 on: August 05, 2013, 07:53:03 AM »

epic_alien

  • Guest
Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #53 on: August 05, 2013, 09:01:09 AM »
Oh fuck, I saw that in 6th grade on the last day of school.  :o

That movie mind fucked me pretty bad as a kid.

yes its always been one of my favorites movies i saw as a kid

El Diablo Blanco

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 31841
  • Nom Nom Nom Nom
Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #54 on: August 05, 2013, 09:03:43 AM »
When will humans realize we will never know the origins of the universe (other than no such thing as god) and quit fooling ourselves.

I watch these shows about the Universe and it drives me nuts how scientists talk about the Big Bang with such certainty.  How the fuck do they know.  So some mini nugget blew up and created this big space?  Same as religion.  Where did God come from then?  This whole thing is just fucked up.

Parker

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 53475
  • He Sees The Stormy Anger Of The World
Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #55 on: August 05, 2013, 10:15:14 AM »
Wasn't going to chime in here much because I come here to ESCAPE science, not talk about it. But current (yes, I know, it's going away) "big bang" theory has the original bang expanding at quite a bit more than C. This was traditionally accepted because "mumble, mumble" the laws of this universe (love that multiverse theory) state that the speed of light is fixed and inviolate, but those laws were not yet baked into the universe at the time.

In any event, it's an exciting time for the next 20 years of so in physics. I just need to continue to encourage my son, who, at 10, has determined that HE will be the one to "figure out" the standard model of gravity. Love his moxie.
Wait till he gets interested in girls...
What no man has figured out...

The Abdominal Snoman

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 23503
  • DON'T BE A TRAITOR TO YOUR TRIBE
Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #56 on: August 05, 2013, 02:45:31 PM »
Pro Golfer Phil Mickelson's ego is so ballooned, he made the public comment that he remembers thinking of becoming a professional golfer before he could walk. Imagine the type of bullshit he would sling around if he were a scientist  :-\

Wiggs

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 41313
  • An Ethnic Israelite
Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #57 on: August 05, 2013, 02:48:33 PM »
I watch these shows about the Universe and it drives me nuts how scientists talk about the Big Bang with such certainty.  How the fuck do they know.  So some mini nugget blew up and created this big space?  Same as religion.  Where did God come from then?  This whole thing is just fucked up.

God has always been and always will be. He is outside of the realm of time.
7

NarcissisticDeity

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 83555
  • Go back to making jewelry and cakes with your girl
Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #58 on: August 05, 2013, 02:49:39 PM »
God has always been and always will be. He is outside of the realm of time.

LMAO  ;D

Wiggs

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 41313
  • An Ethnic Israelite
Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #59 on: August 05, 2013, 02:52:29 PM »
LMAO  ;D

What's so funny about that? A being that created the universe could not have the laws of Time and Space apply to him. He is timeless, changeless and eternal. I know it sounds funny and we can't really comprehend something that has always been because to us, everything has a cause. And everything we know has an ending or beginning. Not with God. The Bible states this many times.
7

NarcissisticDeity

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 83555
  • Go back to making jewelry and cakes with your girl
Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #60 on: August 05, 2013, 02:54:36 PM »
What's so funny about that? A being that created the universe could not have the laws of Time and Space apply to him. He is timeless, changeless and eternal. I know it sounds funny and we can't really comprehend something that has always been because to us, everything has a cause. And everything we know has an ending or beginning. Not with God. The Bible states this many times.

keep ' believing ' that , it's all you can do.

Marty Champions

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 36515
Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #61 on: August 05, 2013, 02:56:22 PM »
There was always something

all-ways

in all directions

or you could say

always nothing

all-ways is implying directional paths and that IS something haha perhaps 'nothing' in the path of ALL-WAYS or all directional paths would create alot of matter something to do with physics always

lets say an ALL-ways of nothing  would CREATE a vacuum of matter  :o
A

OTHstrong

  • Competitors II
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 14122
  • Jasher
Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #62 on: August 05, 2013, 03:34:48 PM »
LMAO  ;D
you can laugh at that all you want but the alternatives are time goes back infinitely and that is just as laughable because that is an impossible scenario, another option is time had a beginning which is equally as laughable because that too is an impossible scenario.

No matter how you slice it, all possibilities lead to laughable, irrational and illogical scenarios. So laugh away at a the concept of a creator when any concept you come up with is laughable as well, very logical ND

NarcissisticDeity

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 83555
  • Go back to making jewelry and cakes with your girl
Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #63 on: August 05, 2013, 03:37:21 PM »
you can laugh at that all you want but the alternatives are time goes back infinitely and that is just as laughable because that is an impossible scenario, another option is time had a beginning which is equally as laughable because that too is an impossible scenario.

No matter how you slice it, all possibilities lead to laughable, irrational and illogical scenarios. So laugh away at a the concept of a creator when any concept you come up with is laughable as well, very logical ND

Time didn't exist before the ' The Big Bang '

God Could not Create the Universe Because There Was No Time for Him to Do So

http://theosophical.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/stephen-hawking-god-could-not-create-the-universe-because-there-was-no-time-for-him-to-do-so/

avxo

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 5647
  • Iron Pumping University Math Professor
Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #64 on: August 05, 2013, 04:13:32 PM »
you can laugh at that all you want but the alternatives are time goes back infinitely and that is just as laughable because that is an impossible scenario, another option is time had a beginning which is equally as laughable because that too is an impossible scenario.

The term "beginning" implies a causal relationship that only has meaning within a framework in which causal relationships exist; can you define causal relationships divorced from the concept of time? Remember, once you're divorced from the concept of time, words like "before" and "after" don't have any meaning.


Sidenote: People, generally, have significant issues with concepts involving infinities. You ought to see students whose eyes glaze over when you tell them that there some infinities that are bigger than others, that some infinities are countable and others aren't. It's particularly funny to see them struggle to understand a classic thought experiment involving a hotel that has infinitely many rooms, all occupied, especially when you tell them that the hotel, despite being full, can still accomodate one more guest, and one more, and one more, and, indeed, countably infinitely many more.

But I digress... time is infinite in the sense that it has always existed and always will exist; it's a fundamental property of the fabric of the Universe: space-time.

"Ahh!" you might say, "What about outside the Universe? There was no time there." It's important to remember that what's outside the Universe is (for now, anyways) outside the realm of science, and outside the realm of logic. Science concerns itself with the natural. Not the supernatural. If you're interested in the supernatural, by all means, seek the mystics who gain knowledge in unknowable ways using unknowable means.
  

No matter how you slice it, all possibilities lead to laughable, irrational and illogical scenarios.

Not really. If I may ask, how do you know that all possibilities lead to "laughable, irrational and illogical scenarios?" Do you really know all the scientific theories, the mythos and lore surrounding cosmogony? Do you fully understand all those things? Something tells me the answer to both questions is "no."


So laugh away at a the concept of a creator when any concept you come up with is laughable as well, very logical ND

I laugh at the concept of a creator because it's a "concept" that is proposed as an explanation and which explains nothing. It's a concept that starts with the notion that everything requires a creator, including the Universe, before turning around and asserting, unconditionally that the creator doesn't require a creator.

Despite your particular religious beliefs, you can see how that is, at least, contradictory. Right?

OTHstrong

  • Competitors II
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 14122
  • Jasher
Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #65 on: August 05, 2013, 05:53:17 PM »
The term "beginning" implies a causal relationship that only has meaning within a framework in which causal relationships exist; can you define causal relationships divorced from the concept of time? Remember, once you're divorced from the concept of time, words like "before" and "after" don't have any meaning.


Sidenote: People, generally, have significant issues with concepts involving infinities. You ought to see students whose eyes glaze over when you tell them that there some infinities that are bigger than others, that some infinities are countable and others aren't. It's particularly funny to see them struggle to understand a classic thought experiment involving a hotel that has infinitely many rooms, all occupied, especially when you tell them that the hotel, despite being full, can still accomodate one more guest, and one more, and one more, and, indeed, countably infinitely many more.

But I digress... time is infinite in the sense that it has always existed and always will exist; it's a fundamental property of the fabric of the Universe: space-time.

"Ahh!" you might say, "What about outside the Universe? There was no time there." It's important to remember that what's outside the Universe is (for now, anyways) outside the realm of science, and outside the realm of logic. Science concerns itself with the natural. Not the supernatural. If you're interested in the supernatural, by all means, seek the mystics who gain knowledge in unknowable ways using unknowable means.
  

Not really. If I may ask, how do you know that all possibilities lead to "laughable, irrational and illogical scenarios?" Do you really know all the scientific theories, the mythos and lore surrounding cosmogony? Do you fully understand all those things? Something tells me the answer to both questions is "no."


I laugh at the concept of a creator because it's a "concept" that is proposed as an explanation and which explains nothing. It's a concept that starts with the notion that everything requires a creator, including the Universe, before turning around and asserting, unconditionally that the creator doesn't require a creator.

Despite your particular religious beliefs, you can see how that is, at least, contradictory. Right?
You are a fucken retard cause you missed my point entirely, we have been through this, no scenario makes sense and you fucken know it so stop with the fucken paragraph after paragraph of junk that I will not even read.

The fact remains, any explanation does not make sense period, it is no possible for our brain to make sense of it wether it be God or not.

OTHstrong

  • Competitors II
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 14122
  • Jasher
Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #66 on: August 05, 2013, 05:54:22 PM »
Time didn't exist before the ' The Big Bang '

God Could not Create the Universe Because There Was No Time for Him to Do So

http://theosophical.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/stephen-hawking-god-could-not-create-the-universe-because-there-was-no-time-for-him-to-do-so/
fine, whatever, still fucken laughable and still does not make sense.

deceiver

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 2666
  • onetimehard appreciation team
Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #67 on: August 05, 2013, 06:01:23 PM »
What I cannot fathom more than existence of nothing is how people that would get crushed by college level calculus can dispute astrophysics like they were experts... To all you guys here, discussing these findings - you do not understand it. What was sold to you in science magazine is just as accurate description of actual theory as game of thrones is legit picture of medieval Europe.

tl;dr you don't know shit.

deceiver

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 2666
  • onetimehard appreciation team
Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #68 on: August 05, 2013, 06:13:10 PM »
but the pictures look so nice ;D

theyre written kinda in a way so laymen like me can somewhat undertand the stuff, i guess better than nothing.

or is it so shit that theyre worthless mags? ???

Yeah, prolly would be better to compare it to bodybuilding... So what you read in science magazines is just as accurate as muscular development or flexmag. You know, 6 meals per day, 300grams of carbs, creatine, that stuff.

Amount of math that would be required to understand that is unimaginable. In every top branch of math, computer science and physics it takes lifetime to understand that stuff AND you have to be truly exceptional individual. I know most of you think of yourselves as smartass but let's be honest, you don't even have a phd... Most of you don't even have masters in anything. Some of you cannot tell the difference between hypothesis and theory (see uberman).

Just leave it alone. When I read news like this I'm like oh yeah, great but I do not comment. Why? Because I am aware of my ignorance. Leave it be. By saying that "oh, science can't get it right" you make yourself look bad, very bad.

Basically it's like 100lbs twink telling you how to become Olympic weightlifting champion or MrO or saying it's all drugs. Laughable.

Marty Champions

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 36515
Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #69 on: August 05, 2013, 07:08:15 PM »
what life is

is day by day slow drip into us MORE KNOWLEDGE

if your 40 years old youve already been around what 14,000 days already? that doesnt seem that much to some it may.

we havent been around that long alot of what was learned in the past say our great grandparents generation may not even surface till another 20 years

life is the ultimate waiting game to know parts of the mystery you dont just get the whole mystery handed to you

they key is to stay alive many of you are dieing rapidly devowering meat constantly , roiding up takin this and that drug for and edge while wrecking your longevity . time is needed to know just PARTS of the mystery

only a few legends will be granted or earned enough time on earth to know enough parts of the mystery to know the whole mystery
A

Viking11

  • Competitors
  • Getbig IV
  • *****
  • Posts: 2002
Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #70 on: August 05, 2013, 09:59:47 PM »
I also can't prove to you that a pink unicorn that speaks Gaelic, sounds like Morgan Freeman and farts cotton candy doesn't exist either...

I hope it does... That would be major cool! 

Master Blaster

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 6610
  • Not sure if getbig full of trolls or trolls getbig
Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #71 on: August 05, 2013, 10:11:17 PM »
Dark Matter is fucking bullshit. Just admit you don't know what the fuck is going on.  ::)

Roger Bacon

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 20957
  • Roger Bacon tries to be witty and fails
Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #72 on: August 05, 2013, 10:16:41 PM »
Yeah, prolly would be better to compare it to bodybuilding... So what you read in science magazines is just as accurate as muscular development or flexmag. You know, 6 meals per day, 300grams of carbs, creatine, that stuff.

WOW

Good/disappointing analogy  :o

cephissus

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 7599
Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #73 on: August 05, 2013, 10:40:31 PM »
Mainstream science is never right the first, second, third, fourth time...  ::)

not sure why the eye roll, stud.

as nietzsche pointed out, mankind has reached the point it's at through countless errors... all along the way, people believed they knew "the truth", despite constantly developing new models (as more evidence came to light) and updating "the truth".

i don't have a strong desire to live forever, or anything like that, but i do wish i could skip ahead and see what people will believe in 1000, 10000, 100000, 1000000, etc. years (if anything).

cephissus

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 7599
Re: Science does it again: Big Bang going out the window?
« Reply #74 on: August 05, 2013, 10:47:17 PM »
Wasn't going to chime in here much because I come here to ESCAPE science, not talk about it. But current (yes, I know, it's going away) "big bang" theory has the original bang expanding at quite a bit more than C. This was traditionally accepted because "mumble, mumble" the laws of this universe (love that multiverse theory) state that the speed of light is fixed and inviolate, but those laws were not yet baked into the universe at the time.

In any event, it's an exciting time for the next 20 years of so in physics. I just need to continue to encourage my son, who, at 10, has determined that HE will be the one to "figure out" the standard model of gravity. Love his moxie.

one of my physics friends explained this to me one time, said something like the space itself was expanding rapidly, so matter didn't actually need to move faster than the speed of light to reach such far-off distances immediately after the big gang.  of course i don't know anything about physics, but i thought i'd share since i'd always wondered about this "expansion rate exceeding C" thing myself.