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Re: BREAKING NEWS: ISIS executes British aid worker David Haines
« Reply #50 on: September 14, 2014, 03:37:24 AM »
How long will the cycle be slowed for? We've been fighting terrorism ferociously since 9-11. Seems like they have increased in size since then.

We need a badass warrior like General Patton.



USA has mainly been busy destabilising countries that weren't very stable in the first place...Afghanistan, Lybia, Syria, Iraq etc.
A human rights violating dictator isn't good, but total instability and warlords probably are worse....

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: ISIS executes British aid worker David Haines
« Reply #51 on: September 14, 2014, 03:59:07 AM »
More false flag bullshit

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: ISIS executes British aid worker David Haines
« Reply #52 on: September 14, 2014, 04:48:14 AM »
USA is dependent on Arab oil, otherwise, why bother at all with the fundamentalist islamic retards in the middle east?
(As long as they are no threat to other regions...)

Most of our oil comes from Canada.

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: ISIS executes British aid worker David Haines
« Reply #53 on: September 14, 2014, 04:52:19 AM »
This never would have happened if Jihad John had a father like Adrian Peterson!


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« Reply #54 on: September 14, 2014, 04:52:46 AM »
USA is dependent on Arab oil, otherwise, why bother at all with the fundamentalist islamic retards in the middle east?
(As long as they are no threat to other regions...)

The US is a net exporter of oil, has been for a few years, so that "theory" is wrong.

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: ISIS executes British aid worker David Haines
« Reply #55 on: September 14, 2014, 04:52:56 AM »

They want to face death with composure and dignity.  They accepted their fate like men. 

Bullshit, it's just another hoax.

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« Reply #56 on: September 14, 2014, 04:57:53 AM »
We need to bomb them back to the stoneage and then send in boots on the ground. Then after years of being bogged down in another bloody counter insurgency, we could put in a leader with no popular support and fuck off quick sharpish. Think of the shiny new medals and tour bonuses!

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« Reply #57 on: September 14, 2014, 05:05:09 AM »
I like Thailand's political system.

They ban all foreigners from ever being in parliament or owning land.

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: ISIS executes British aid worker David Haines
« Reply #58 on: September 14, 2014, 05:38:33 AM »
Will we ever be able to stop terrorism? Or at least curtail it to a great degree? I mean, it seems like these people grow in numbers and power over time.

well yeh if we stopped taking down/destabilising the regimes that keep these extreme religious groups in check it may go some way in minimising the threat to us.

these groups al qaeda, ISIS etc just look for the weak links in the region, and it us who have created the power vaccum that they are capitalising on.  then everyone is up in arms "oh they are so barbaric" blah blah blah. shut the fk up you morons, it was 'us' that went and turned the fkn country upside down for no reason in the first place.

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« Reply #59 on: September 14, 2014, 05:45:43 AM »
well yeh if we stopped taking down/destabilising the regimes that keep these extreme religious groups in check it may go some way in minimising the threat to us.

these groups al qaeda, ISIS etc just look for the weak links in the region, and it us who have created the power vaccum that they are capitalising on.  then everyone is up in arms "oh they are so barbaric" blah blah blah. shut the fk up you morons, it was 'us' that went and turned the fkn country upside down for no reason in the first place.

I am tired of that bullshit "realpolitik" where you're propping up one set of dipshits to counter another set of dipshits. How about the SPQR example, where you are so fucking badass and mean that nobody fucks with you. It's real simple to do: some dumbass country or group kills some Americans, and you nuke a whole fucking city. It will never, EVER happen again. Yes, I mean everybody. In the long run, this will SAVE lives.

There was a time where the safest place to be was walking anywhere in the world with a Citizen of Rome, for if misfortune should befall that Citizen, the entire weight of the Empire would come down like a righteous wrath of God.

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« Reply #60 on: September 14, 2014, 06:02:04 AM »
I am tired of that bullshit "realpolitik" where you're propping up one set of dipshits to counter another set of dipshits. How about the SPQR example, where you are so fucking badass and mean that nobody fucks with you. It's real simple to do: some dumbass country or group kills some Americans, and you nuke a whole fucking city. It will never, EVER happen again. Yes, I mean everybody. In the long run, this will SAVE lives.

There was a time where the safest place to be was walking anywhere in the world with a Citizen of Rome, for if misfortune should befall that Citizen, the entire weight of the Empire would come down like a righteous wrath of God.

this is the entire problem with US/western foreign policy, you try and get "all bad ass" and think you can solve everything by bullying others into complying, but over the years that approach has proven not to work .you got all bad ass in afghanistan and now you are trying to negotiate talks with the taliban because you can't get rid of them. got all bad ass in iraq after falsely claiming they had WMDs...going on the current situation there, that hasn't really panned out very well either has it??

at this point a leaf out of china's book of foreign policy may not go amiss. 

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: ISIS executes British aid worker David Haines
« Reply #61 on: September 14, 2014, 06:09:18 AM »
this is the entire problem with US/western foreign policy, you try and get "all bad ass" and think you can solve everything by bullying others into complying, but over the years that approach has proven not to work .you got all bad ass in afghanistan and now you are trying to negotiate talks with the taliban because you can't get rid of them. got all bad ass in iraq after falsely claiming they had WMDs...going on the current situation there, that hasn't really panned out very well either has it??

at this point a leaf out of china's book of foreign policy may not go amiss. 

Tbf, the initial invasion of Afghan and Iraq were rather successful. It's just when we hang around that it all goes to shit.

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« Reply #62 on: September 14, 2014, 06:12:11 AM »
I am tired of that bullshit "realpolitik" where you're propping up one set of dipshits to counter another set of dipshits. How about the SPQR example, where you are so fucking badass and mean that nobody fucks with you. It's real simple to do: some dumbass country or group kills some Americans, and you nuke a whole fucking city. It will never, EVER happen again. Yes, I mean everybody. In the long run, this will SAVE lives.

There was a time where the safest place to be was walking anywhere in the world with a Citizen of Rome, for if misfortune should befall that Citizen, the entire weight of the Empire would come down like a righteous wrath of God.

The United States is constrained by it's own principles.   It would be a public relations nightmare for the United States to unleash the full weight of its military power on it's enemies.  Terrorists organizations know this fact and capitalize on it.   They are willing to do anything to win. 
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« Reply #63 on: September 14, 2014, 06:25:12 AM »
this is the entire problem with US/western foreign policy, you try and get "all bad ass" and think you can solve everything by bullying others into complying, but over the years that approach has proven not to work .you got all bad ass in afghanistan and now you are trying to negotiate talks with the taliban because you can't get rid of them. got all bad ass in iraq after falsely claiming they had WMDs...going on the current situation there, that hasn't really panned out very well either has it??

at this point a leaf out of china's book of foreign policy may not go amiss. 

You're missing my point, but perhaps I was unclear. I wish us to not be involved in anything external. Countries will be left alone, unless you fuck with us, and then a city is vaporized.

Like many of my country's founding fathers, I have a distinct unease for "foreign adventures". Likely, I would have left Europe to the predations of the Germans during WWI/WWII unless they decided to fuck with the US.

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« Reply #64 on: September 14, 2014, 06:26:02 AM »
The United States is constrained by it's own principles.   It would be a public relations nightmare for the United States to unleash the full weight of its military power on it's enemies.  Terrorists organizations know this fact and capitalize on it.   They are willing to do anything to win. 

Indeed. It's high time that the US removes the shackles it has placed on its own wrists.

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: ISIS executes British aid worker David Haines
« Reply #65 on: September 14, 2014, 06:28:30 AM »
Tbf, the initial invasion of Afghan and Iraq were rather successful. It's just when we hang around that it all goes to shit.

yeh in terms of blowing some sht up and toppling regimes, yeh they were initially successful on the surface, but the aim(publicly at least) of both of those missions was to make the west safer. with that in mind they were never successful at the time, anytime since or now.


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Re: BREAKING NEWS: ISIS executes British aid worker David Haines
« Reply #66 on: September 14, 2014, 06:31:12 AM »
Indeed. It's high time that the US removes the shackles it has placed on its own wrists.

If only they could.   Every whiny humanitarian would be up in arms.  What these naive fools don't understand is that if terrorist organizations had the capability and opportunity they would kill innocent civilians by the millions without the least bit of hesitation or remorse.  
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Re: BREAKING NEWS: ISIS executes British aid worker David Haines
« Reply #67 on: September 14, 2014, 06:37:15 AM »
The United States is constrained by it's own principles.   It would be a public relations nightmare for the United States to unleash the full weight of its military power on it's enemies.  Terrorists organizations know this fact and capitalize on it.   They are willing to do anything to win. 

lmfao! yes if only the west wasn't so "principled" all of these issues would have been sorted by now. either that or a full blown nuclear war would have ensued!

i must concede though, the invasion of iraq on the false premise of WMDs was a very highly principled act of aggression. just chalk that one down as a little mistake, no harm done. still the good guys, with principles on our side of course.

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« Reply #68 on: September 14, 2014, 06:41:52 AM »
lmfao! yes if only the west wasn't so "principled" all of these issues would have been sorted by now. either that or a full blown nuclear war would have ensued!

i must concede though, the invasion of iraq on the false premise of WMDs was a very highly principled act of aggression. just chalk that one down as a little mistake, no harm done. still the good guys, with principles on our side of course.

Obviously you have no concept of the use of power by developed nations.  I never argued that the United States is principled in all it's actions.  What I'm arguing is that there is a line western countries won't cross and terrorists know it.  Western nations aren't going to crash planes into buildings or behead journalists and broadcast the images world wide. The United States isn't going to use gas on its own people like Saddam.  The United States will rely predominately on the conventional tactics of warfare.
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« Reply #69 on: September 14, 2014, 07:01:31 AM »
Obviously you have no concept of the use of power by developed nations.  I never argued that the United States is principled in all it's actions.  What I'm arguing is that there is a line western countries won't cross and terrorists know it.  Western nations aren't going to crash planes into buildings or behead journalists and broadcast the images world wide. The United States isn't going to use gas on its own people like Saddam.  The United States will rely predominately on the conventional tactics of warfare.

you buy that MSM propaganda sht, not me.

we invaded a sovereign nation for no reason , they had no WMDs and they posed no threat to us. that invasion led to the death of hundreds of thousands of civilians and the displacement of millions more. oh but we still have the moral high ground because we never flew a plane into a building or beheaded anyone.

what's the difference between these 'terrorists' aims and our foreign policy? both intent on forcefully imposing their will on others.  they just don't bother trying to pretend they are the good guys.

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« Reply #70 on: September 14, 2014, 07:09:39 AM »
you buy that MSM propaganda sht, not me.

we invaded a sovereign nation for no reason , they had no WMDs and they posed no threat to us. that invasion led to the death of hundreds of thousands of civilians and the displacement of millions more. oh but we still have the moral high ground because we never flew a plane into a building or beheaded anyone.

what's the difference between these 'terrorists' aims and our foreign policy? both intent on forcefully imposing their will on others.  they just don't bother trying to pretend they are the good guys.

And you buy all the conspiratorial bullshit you read on websites like prison planet.   As I've made known on many occasions, I do not and have never endorsed military action in the middle east.   What you keep failing to understand is that its about the use of power and the effects on the United States image.  The United States can't employ the kind of  unrestrained warfare the terrorist do.  They will always be constrained by the western rules of warfare and western values of human rights. 

This does not mean the United States government doesn't act against its own principles but such actions can never be overt.  If we wanted to wipe out terrorist organizations we could easily do that but the political consequences would be disastrous.  It is for this reason that the people like President Obama employ radical Islamic groups to do its dirty work .
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Re: BREAKING NEWS: ISIS executes British aid worker David Haines
« Reply #71 on: September 14, 2014, 07:12:11 AM »
this is the entire problem with US/western foreign policy, you try and get "all bad ass" and think you can solve everything by bullying others into complying, but over the years that approach has proven not to work .you got all bad ass in afghanistan and now you are trying to negotiate talks with the taliban because you can't get rid of them. got all bad ass in iraq after falsely claiming they had WMDs...going on the current situation there, that hasn't really panned out very well either has it??

at this point a leaf out of china's book of foreign policy may not go amiss. 
You clearly have no clue about the difference between real, pitched warfare and 'politically correct counter-insurgency'.

We havent fought a war with the intention to win since Korea.

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« Reply #72 on: September 14, 2014, 07:19:22 AM »
You clearly have no clue about the difference between real, pitched warfare and 'politically correct counter-insurgency'.

We havent fought a war with the intention to win since Korea.

I could argue since WWII.

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« Reply #73 on: September 14, 2014, 07:25:45 AM »
I could argue since WWII.
I was originally gonna go with WWII.

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« Reply #74 on: September 14, 2014, 07:30:41 AM »
And you buy all the conspiratorial bullshit you read on websites like prison planet.   As I've made known on many occasions, I do not and have never endorsed military action in the middle east.   What you keep failing to understand is that its about the use of power and the effects on the United States image.  The United States can't employ the kind of  unrestrained warfare the terrorist do.  They will always be constrained by the western rules of warfare and western values of human rights.  

This does not mean the United States government doesn't act against its own principles but such actions can never be overt.  If we wanted to wipe out terrorist organizations we could easily do that but the political consequences would be disastrous.  It is for this reason that the people like President Obama employ radical Islamic groups to do its dirty work .


i have never heard of prison planet sorry! hardly think i'm spouting conspiracy theories here  ???

"always be restrained by western rules of warfare"? what a crock of sht.
an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign nation leading to the death of hundreds of thousands is in line with "western rules of warfare"

they make up the rules then break or change them as they see fit.

to quote the then United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan on iraq invasion "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter from our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal."

and i actually agree with you about "restraint" but that restraint has nothing to do with principles or any moral superiority. it's exactly as you said, if the US goes too far with its aggression the "political consequences would be disastrous".

the 'terrorists' simply don't have any facade they need to uphold.