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Re: Whats with the "pre-workout" fad?
« Reply #75 on: October 17, 2014, 11:16:48 PM »
No One, answer this you asshole. My gains and cuts are on the line here bro >:(


sorry buddy I missed that.

k imo if your running a deficit it really doesn't matter what type of carb your going to ingest esp if it's 30grams before you train as it's going to get burned off anyway. it's a non impact at this point.

so then if they are both the same type of energy source w the same end result is say use the pre workout. there more upside at this point now it your dragging ass as you a have greater drive to train, will prolly train harder and a lot of times these pwo also act as an appetite supresssant as well.

if you believe that those two 30 gram carb sources are the same impact then logically it's a no brainer.
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Re: Whats with the "pre-workout" fad?
« Reply #76 on: October 17, 2014, 11:18:54 PM »
sorry buddy I missed that.

k imo if your running a deficit it really doesn't matter what type of carb your going to ingest esp if it's 30grams before you train as it's going to get burned off anyway. it's a non impact at this point.

so then if they are both the same type of energy source w the same end result is say use the pre workout. there more upside at this point now as you a have greater drive to train, will prolly train harder and a lot of times these pwo also act as an appetite supresssant as well.

if you believe that those two 30 gram carb sources are the same impact then logically it's a no brainer.

This is what my gut feeling says as well but I'm glad I could run it by you. Thanks for your input, very appreciated as you are one of the larger men here.

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Re: Whats with the "pre-workout" fad?
« Reply #77 on: October 17, 2014, 11:21:17 PM »
This is what my gut feeling says as well but I'm glad I could run it by you. Thanks for your input, very appreciated as you are one of the larger men here.

haha 'larger men'. good thing you ask hulkotron as being a large man he doesn't concern himself w the affairs of those smaller than himself. :D
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Re: Whats with the "pre-workout" fad?
« Reply #78 on: October 17, 2014, 11:51:55 PM »
actually I'm going to add this here as it might generate some good discussion. 

I wanted to add as an addendum to my post that what path you take depends on your school of thought. if you believe that in a deficit most carbs will be treated pretty much the same- used for fuel and non impacting then you are good to go w the pwo.

if you believe all carbs are not created the same and that even in a deficit 'bad carbs' can impact you then you gotta stay the course.

but honestly dude nobody that stands by the some carbs are better than others can't provide a shred of proof as to why they are. lol it's a fuel. fuel gets burned. excess fuel gets stored. it's so simple but everyone wants to make it so complex.

maybe MAYBE in a surplus the type of carb can fuck you up but honestly your running a surplus your going to get fat regardless of what's going on w your insulin lol
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Re: Whats with the "pre-workout" fad?
« Reply #79 on: October 18, 2014, 12:22:01 AM »
actually I'm going to add this here as it might generate some good discussion. 

I wanted to add as an addendum to my post that what path you take depends on your school of thought. if you believe that in a deficit most carbs will be treated pretty much the same- used for fuel and non impacting then you are good to go w the pwo.

if you believe all carbs are not created the same and that even in a deficit 'bad carbs' can impact you then you gotta stay the course.

but honestly dude nobody that stands by the some carbs are better than others can't provide a shred of proof as to why they are. lol it's a fuel. fuel gets burned. excess fuel gets stored. it's so simple but everyone wants to make it so complex.

maybe MAYBE in a surplus the type of carb can fuck you up but honestly your running a surplus your going to get fat regardless of what's going on w your insulin lol
except when the surplus is going straight to the muscles growth
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Re: Whats with the "pre-workout" fad?
« Reply #80 on: October 18, 2014, 07:28:32 AM »
except when the surplus is going straight to the muscles growth
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explain to me how a calorie surplus makes your 'muscles bigger' when the only macro responsible for tissue accumulation is protein.

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Re: Whats with the "pre-workout" fad?
« Reply #81 on: October 18, 2014, 09:18:17 AM »
Rock star sugar free, 3 x 8mg kaizen ephedrine (and 1/4 an A-bomb, optional )

 

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Re: Whats with the "pre-workout" fad?
« Reply #82 on: October 18, 2014, 02:20:43 PM »
Rock star sugar free, 3 x 8mg kaizen ephedrine (and 1/4 an A-bomb, optional )

 

this is intense
i take 1 kaizen ephedrina tablet + 1 caffein tablet
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Re: Whats with the "pre-workout" fad?
« Reply #83 on: October 18, 2014, 02:34:12 PM »

explain to me how a calorie surplus makes your 'muscles bigger' when the only macro responsible for tissue accumulation is protein.



As I understand it, some diets cause muscle glycogen and water to be depleted which gives the appearance of smaller muscles.

Once carbs and calories are returned to normal, glycogen and water return to the muscle giving the impression of muscle "growth".


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Re: Whats with the "pre-workout" fad?
« Reply #84 on: October 18, 2014, 02:41:01 PM »

explain to me how a calorie surplus makes your 'muscles bigger' when the only macro responsible for tissue accumulation is protein.


without a surplus the body will convert the protein to glucose to burn as energy


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Re: Whats with the "pre-workout" fad?
« Reply #85 on: October 18, 2014, 02:43:13 PM »
without a surplus the body will convert the protein to glucose to burn as energy


200gms of protein is 800 cals
Thats enough protein for anyone.

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Re: Whats with the "pre-workout" fad?
« Reply #86 on: October 18, 2014, 02:44:07 PM »
200gms of protein is 800 cals
Thats enough protein for anyone.
including protein in rice, pasta, etc ?


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Re: Whats with the "pre-workout" fad?
« Reply #87 on: October 18, 2014, 03:43:48 PM »
without a surplus the body will convert the protein to glucose to burn as energy



bullshit and broscience.

in an ultra low cal diet when training hard any protein that is taken in that the body needs for repair age regeneration is use solely for that purpose. gluconeogenisis does not occur in this instance. that is why people find that even in an ultra low cal rotation they are able to not only maintain tissue but in some instances gain tissue given certain variables.

the only thing that creates tissue in a surplus or a deficit is protein. how much your body needs is dependent upon demand but any protein needed is used solely for that purpose. if there is a protein surplus gluconeogenisis may take place but not before initial demands are met.
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Re: Whats with the "pre-workout" fad?
« Reply #88 on: October 18, 2014, 03:49:50 PM »
bullshit and broscience.

in an ultra low cal diet when training hard any protein that is taken in that the body needs for repair age regeneration is use solely for that purpose. gluconeogenisis does not occur in this instance. that is why people find that even in an ultra low cal rotation they are able to not only maintain tissue but in some instances gain tissue given certain variables.

the only thing that creates tissue in a surplus or a deficit is protein. how much your body needs is dependent upon demand but any protein needed is used solely for that purpose. if there is a protein surplus gluconeogenisis may take place but not before initial demands are met.
so why are there so many twinks on 300grams of protein and still twinks?

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Re: Whats with the "pre-workout" fad?
« Reply #89 on: October 18, 2014, 03:53:54 PM »
so why are there so many twinks on 300grams of protein and still twinks?
natty?

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Re: Whats with the "pre-workout" fad?
« Reply #90 on: October 18, 2014, 04:30:56 PM »
so why are there so many twinks on 300grams of protein and still twinks?


 that is why people find that even in an ultra low cal rotation they are able to not only maintain tissue but in some instances gain tissue given certain variables.

natty?


think this abt covers it.

regardless. what does your statement/ question have to do with my rebuttal of your post regarding protein being used for glycogen.
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Re: Whats with the "pre-workout" fad?
« Reply #91 on: October 18, 2014, 04:37:58 PM »

as an aside anabolo's observation makes a strong case for the over consumption of protein but this is another debate :D
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Re: Whats with the "pre-workout" fad?
« Reply #92 on: October 18, 2014, 09:32:24 PM »
as an aside anabolo's observation makes a strong case for the over consumption of protein but this is another debate :D

I wanna hear your take on this bro.

New thread time!

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Re: Whats with the "pre-workout" fad?
« Reply #93 on: October 19, 2014, 01:07:22 AM »
I wanna hear your take on this bro.

New thread time!
imagine we are wasting our kidneys on excess protein when we could be using them for more juice


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Re: Whats with the "pre-workout" fad?
« Reply #94 on: October 19, 2014, 03:17:57 AM »
imagine we are wasting our kidneys on excess protein when we could be using them for more juice


smh

Maybe doctors will one day think of a way to transplant a 3rd kidney into bodybuilders.

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Re: Whats with the "pre-workout" fad?
« Reply #95 on: October 19, 2014, 12:30:24 PM »
I wanna hear your take on this bro.

New thread time!

im on my way out to watch football at my bros but i'll give some food for thought cause i know how antsy you get when you think you might be going catabolic :D

for the past, what, 20-30 years supplement companies have made billions perhaps on the sale of protein powders? with everything else online and in gyms, the 'common knowledge' is 1 gram per lb of bodyweight. nobody ever questions common knowledge. thats why when gal and i came out w our book the idea of ultra low cal dieting and fasting was preposterous- its was 'common knowledge' this kind of dieting would result in a very noticeable decrease in lean tissue, which we've, and others who have tried it, have more than proven thats just bullshit.

thats the beauty of 'common knowledge' for supp companies- they dont even have to sell it- its common knowledge you need a ton of protein and everyone blindly drinks the koolaid, like they do with all the other tidbits of common knowledge we all follow and never stop to ask why or question it. holy fuck dont question common knowledge. :D

so we get locked into the mentality that we NEED x amount of protein . you'll go catabolic. you'll minimize gains, the muscle wont repair blah blah blah.

lets use halos example of the natty eating 300 grams of protein a day. why? as a natty what the fuck do you need that much protein for? IF you needed that much protein why is it after a certain amount of time training your gains slow to a crawl? you dont grow anymore. thats simple fact. negligible improvements. every natty whos has trained truly clean will tell you this happens.

if the amount of protein consumption was the key for tissue growth, why cant the natty keep growing? the stimulus is there. the repair is there. the protein is there. everything you need to do you are doing but the gains stop. but yet every natty continues to pound down ludicrous amounts of protein that is doing NOTHING to keep him gaining tissue.

then i guess the amount protein isnt the key, is it.

now in an enhanced bber does this change? i would have to say yes. in the natty once you hit that genetic set point you are fucked. might as well relegated yourself to knowing the biggest you are now is the biggest your ever going to be, so just improve what you have. the anabolics user kinda gives credence to needing a certain amount of protein continually whereas the natty doesnt since as long as you increase the dose, you keep growing. so the ability to create tissue beyond your genetic set point using anabolics shows a correlation to protein intake. once you stop creating tissue, why are nattys eating 300 grams of goddamn protein a day? has anyone stopped to say 'fuck, why am i doing this anyway?' no. they havent cause you dont question common knowledge.

common knowledge keeps us afraid to step outside the box and try something different.

so, ask yourself, why do you eat the amount of protein you eat?





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Re: Whats with the "pre-workout" fad?
« Reply #96 on: October 20, 2014, 03:51:00 PM »

not one reply in 3 days.

if you guys cant see as bbers the benefits of being able to shave off cals from unnecessary protein intake while dieting im not going to bother spelling it out.

fuck some days i wonder why i waste my time posting the shit i do. now i get why gal left. lol
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