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Re: strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #75 on: April 04, 2015, 11:33:15 AM »
Calories in/calories out is a myth, unscientific, and therefore untrue. It's eating carb calories, that makes you fat.

Asian diets are very high carb, and most Asians can't even afford to eat much of that lousy diet. For survival, their bodies hoard body fat. That's why you never see, a great set of abs there. Even those skinny Asian's have body fat covering their abs. Same as anyone else, with "invisible" abs, from eating a high carb diet

There's no visible muscle definition in most Asians, certainly not in Bruce Lee's time. Compare the physiques of former Mr. Hong Kong, Bolo Yeung, with his high carb Asian diet "cut," and low carb diet, cut for the movies, Bruce Lee, at 1:34 in the clip. LOL!



What is your theory on not cutting or maintaining, but "bulking" and minimising fat gain? surely higher carbs must be essential as insulin is so anabolic?

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Re: strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #76 on: April 04, 2015, 12:53:37 PM »
What is your theory on not cutting or maintaining, but "bulking" and minimising fat gain? surely higher carbs must be essential as insulin is so anabolic?

Insulin is so anabolic? It's anabolic in producing more body fat! That's why "bulking" by eating high carb diets produces fat slobs, and no low BF% guys, such as Bruce Lee in his movies. High carb diet clearly doesn't minimize fat gain.

Anabolic, as it pertains to the body, doesn't only mean just building muscle tissue. It means growing the whole body, bones, muscle, FAT, etc. It's just another case of the industry, using scientific terminology incorrectly, same as the term "calories" is used incorrectly, as it supposedly relates to diet.

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Re: strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #77 on: April 04, 2015, 01:35:14 PM »
Insulin is so anabolic? It's anabolic in producing more body fat! That's why "bulking" by eating high carb diets produces fat slobs, and no low BF% guys, such as Bruce Lee in his movies. High carb diet clearly doesn't minimize fat gain.

Anabolic, as it pertains to the body, doesn't only mean just building muscle tissue. It means growing the whole body, bones, muscle, FAT, etc. It's just another case of the industry, using scientific terminology incorrectly, same as the term "calories" is used incorrectly, as it supposedly relates to diet.

LOL, insulin is one of the body's most anabolic hormones, that's just a fact. Sure, overfeed the carbs and you become fat, that's also a fact.
For fuck's sake, you're on a bodybuilding forum and you want to look like a skinny rat like Bruce Lee, who's metabolism was fucked up by drugs? Fucking LOL ::)

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Re: strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #78 on: April 04, 2015, 01:40:53 PM »
Insulin is so anabolic? It's anabolic in producing more body fat! That's why "bulking" by eating high carb diets produces fat slobs, and no low BF% guys, such as Bruce Lee in his movies. High carb diet clearly doesn't minimize fat gain.

Anabolic, as it pertains to the body, doesn't only mean just building muscle tissue. It means growing the whole body, bones, muscle, FAT, etc. It's just another case of the industry, using scientific terminology incorrectly, same as the term "calories" is used incorrectly, as it supposedly relates to diet.

So how would you add muscle while not adding carbs?

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Re: strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #79 on: April 04, 2015, 01:56:13 PM »
LOL, insulin is one of the body's most anabolic hormones, that's just a fact. Sure, overfeed the carbs and you become fat, that's also a fact.
For fuck's sake, you're on a bodybuilding forum and you want to look like a skinny rat like Bruce Lee, who's metabolism was fucked up by drugs? Fucking LOL ::)

Did you read what I posted? Did you read the OP, or the rest of the thread?  It's about a chubby Asian who went low carb, and got rid of his body fat, and you could then see his body's muscle structure. Some numbskull, alleged bodybuilders thought that it was impossible to accomplish such a feat as being slim and lean muscled, at 135#, without PEDs!

 Insulin is most anabolic hormone in the body, for turning carbohydrates into body fat, not into muscle tissue. That's the real fact.

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Re: strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #80 on: April 04, 2015, 01:57:59 PM »
So how would you add muscle while not adding carbs?

You eat fat and protein, because those are what muscle tissue is really made out of, not carbs.

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« Reply #81 on: April 04, 2015, 02:27:54 PM »
Did you read what I posted? Did you read the OP, or the rest of the thread?  It's about a chubby Asian who went low carb, and got rid of his body fat, and you could then see his body's muscle structure. Some numbskull, alleged bodybuilders thought that it was impossible to accomplish such a feat as being slim and lean muscled, at 135#, without PEDs!

 Insulin is most anabolic hormone in the body, for turning carbohydrates into body fat, not into muscle tissue. That's the real fact.

In fact, I responded to your message, so what the OP wrote is irrelevant here (yes, I've read it). Another fact: we simply don't know if the Asian was a nattie or not, and who cares? Right, nattienazis like you do.

A 'fact'? LOL, maybe you should troll-edit the Wiki lemma about insulin. It states:

"It regulates the metabolism of carbohydrates and fats by promoting the absorption of glucose from the blood to skeletal muscles and fat tissue and by causing fat to be stored rather than used for energy. " - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin

But yeah, you prob have more knowledge than those hundreds of people behind this lemma  ::)

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Re: strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #82 on: April 04, 2015, 02:33:40 PM »
In fact, I responded on your message, so what the OP wrote is irrelevant here (yes, I've read it). Another fact: we simply don't know if the Asian was a nattie or not, and who cares? Right, nattienazis like you do.

A 'fact'? LOL, maybe you should troll-edit the Wiki lemma about insulin. It states:

"It regulates the metabolism of carbohydrates and fats by promoting the absorption of glucose from the blood to skeletal muscles and fat tissue and by causing fat to be stored rather than used for energy. " - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin

But yeah, you prob have more knowledge than those hundreds of people behind this lemma  ::)
I would not discuss it with him. He knows it all. A kid in his bedroom  ::)

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« Reply #83 on: April 04, 2015, 02:37:11 PM »
What kind of Pop star? Is he some sort of celebrity in S. Korea?

Shit call , K-Pop  :P

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Re: strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #84 on: April 04, 2015, 02:40:16 PM »
Carbs = 4 calories/gram
Protein = 4 calories/gram
Fat = 9 calories/gram

Asian diets are very carb heavy yet they are predominately skinny.  Americans eat more protein than any other country on the planet and one out of three are fatties.

Eating too much is fattening.



Medicine in 2015 says: combine sugar & fat = obesity

Pizza + booze = Basile

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Re: Strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #85 on: April 04, 2015, 02:42:03 PM »
fuck sake Guys,,,no Coffee... ??? ::)

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« Reply #86 on: April 04, 2015, 02:45:15 PM »
fuck sake Guys,,,no Coffee... ??? ::)

I am in the beach café & 3 espressos so far  :P

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Re: Strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #87 on: April 04, 2015, 02:45:59 PM »
12 weeks on Keto, don't think we have to wonder about his natty status


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« Reply #88 on: April 04, 2015, 02:51:05 PM »
I would not discuss it with him. He knows it all. A kid in his bedroom  ::)

In order to function properly, his brain needs more carbs

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« Reply #89 on: April 04, 2015, 02:52:43 PM »
In order to function properly, his brain needs more carbs
yes and even 1 gramm via a cup of Coffee... ;D

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« Reply #90 on: April 04, 2015, 02:58:49 PM »
In fact, I responded on your message, so what the OP wrote is irrelevant here (yes, I've read it). Another fact: we simply don't know if the Asian was a nattie or not, and who cares? Right, nattienazis like you do.

A 'fact'? LOL, maybe you should troll-edit the Wiki lemma about insulin. It states:

"It regulates the metabolism of carbohydrates and fats by promoting the absorption of glucose from the blood to skeletal muscles and fat tissue and by causing fat to be stored rather than used for energy. " - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin

But yeah, you prob have more knowledge than those hundreds of people behind this lemma  ::)

Anyone with a brain knows that he is nattie. Did you ever look at an anatomy chart? There really are muscles under everyone's fat! All he did was get rid of the fat, so now we can see his muscles clearly. He's now 135#! By no means Mr. Musclebound! Had he gone from a 170# fatso, to a 235# muscle man, then I'd suspect that he had some help, but 135#?

I at least have more knowledge to give a clear description, of the process they were feebly trying to explain. Insulin regulates the metabolism of carbohydrates INTO fats and glycogen, by turning glucose into glycogen, to be stored in skeletal muscle tissue, and any excess glucose to be converted to body fat, because there was to much glucose created from the high amount of carbs consumed, to be used for energy, so the body stored it as body fat. Fixed! You can correct Wikipedia if you choose. I never rely on Wikipedia for any real facts, as any asshole can alter it, to muddy the real facts, for whatever ulterior
reasons that they have.

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« Reply #91 on: April 04, 2015, 03:06:30 PM »
Anyone with a brain knows that he is nattie. Did you ever look at an anatomy chart? There really are muscles under everyone's fat! All he did was get rid of the fat, so now we can see his muscles clearly. He's now 135#! By no means Mr. Musclebound! Had he gone from a 170# fatso, to a 235# muscle man, then I'd suspect that he had some help, but 135#?

I at least have more knowledge to give a clear description, of the process they were feebly trying to explain. Insulin regulates the metabolism of carbohydrates INTO fats and glycogen, by turning glucose into glycogen, to be stored in skeletal muscle tissue, and any excess glucose to be converted to body fat, because there was to much glucose created from the high amount of carbs consumed, to be used for energy, so the body stored it as body fat. Fixed! You can correct Wikipedia if you choose. I never rely on Wikipedia for any real facts, as any asshole can alter it, to muddy the real facts, for whatever ulterior
reasons that they have.
Talking of an Anatomy Chart .. you wrote on the ab thread anyone can have an Anatomy chart but not understand it... bite your own bullet dude...

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« Reply #92 on: April 04, 2015, 03:12:54 PM »
Talking of an Anatomy Chart .. you wrote on the ab thread anyone can have an Anatomy chart but not understand it... bite your own bullet dude...

And I'm right. That was for my next response, to Drop.

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« Reply #93 on: April 04, 2015, 03:16:15 PM »
And I'm right. That was for my next response, to Drop.
OK for a High school kid you are intelligent but that´s it.

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Re: Strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #94 on: April 04, 2015, 04:52:43 PM »
I must have missed the post about coffee??

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Re: strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #95 on: April 04, 2015, 05:30:19 PM »

Pell:
I was also a HUGE Bruce Lee mark as a teenager. I remember reading that he used an electric juicer a lot, but I never got the specifics for what went in the concoctions. Interesting note about the beef blood; I never knew that.

As for training, I understand he had some equipment custom designed and built for his own personal use. Did Dan's family end up with any of those pieces?
Also, was Dan teaching Jeet Kune Do, Escrima/Arnis, or both at the time?

There is supposedly more comprehensive footage of Bruce at Ed Parker's convention. The most commonly seen snippets are of him performing his two-finger push-ups and one-inch punch. I'd love to see what else there may be.

That beef blood drinking was just a brief phase. I don't think he did it for more than a couple of months. Linda said that he was worried about the sterility but it was probably because it was, well, gross. But it was just to make the point that Bruce was always experimenting and evolving.

Dan was teaching JKD and Escrima/Kali in his dojo in Marina Del Rey but I would see him almost daily at Machado Jiu-Jitsu on Redondo Beach. He along with Richard Bustillio took private lessons with one of the brothers, Roger (pronounced "Hoger"). The Machados are the first cousins to the Gracies and followed Rorion to So Ca when he was bringing BJJ to America. There was Carlos, Roger, Rigan, Jean-Jacques and John.

Chuck Norris also trained there and when he moved to Texas for his TV show he took Carlos with him so he could keep up his training and set up Carlos with his own school and brought BJJ to Texas.

I talked a lot with Dan about Bruce as I was a huge fan and Dan was his closest friend. Not surprisingly, Dan said that Bruce would have loved BJJ. He was already incorporating ground fighting in his movies with the opening scene in Enter the Dragon and with Jabbar in Game of Death.

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Re: strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #96 on: April 04, 2015, 05:41:35 PM »
That beef blood drinking was just a brief phase. I don't think he did it for more than a couple of months. Linda said that he was worried about the sterility but it was probably because it was, well, gross. But it was just to make the point that Bruce was always experimenting and evolving.

Dan was teaching JKD and Escrima/Kali in his dojo in Marina Del Rey but I would see him almost daily at Machado Jiu-Jitsu on Redondo Beach. He along with Richard Bustillio took private lessons with one of the brothers, Roger (pronounced "Hoger"). The Machados are the first cousins to the Gracies and followed Rorion to So Ca when he was bringing BJJ to America. There was Carlos, Roger, Rigan, Jean-Jacques and John.

Chuck Norris also trained there and when he moved to Texas for his TV show he took Carlos with him so he could keep up his training and set up Carlos with his own school and brought BJJ to Texas.

I talked a lot with Dan about Bruce as I was a huge fan and Dan was his closest friend. Not surprisingly, Dan said that Bruce would have loved BJJ. He was already incorporating ground fighting in his movies with the opening scene in Enter the Dragon and with Jabbar in Game of Death.


I always felt it was stupid throwing in the scene at the start where he flips over the guys after the fight with Samo Hung, and where he backflips against Bob Wall, both of which were stunt doubles as Bruce couldn't do them.

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Re: strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #97 on: April 04, 2015, 05:59:19 PM »
That beef blood drinking was just a brief phase. I don't think he did it for more than a couple of months. Linda said that he was worried about the sterility but it was probably because it was, well, gross. But it was just to make the point that Bruce was always experimenting and evolving.

Dan was teaching JKD and Escrima/Kali in his dojo in Marina Del Rey but I would see him almost daily at Machado Jiu-Jitsu on Redondo Beach. He along with Richard Bustillio took private lessons with one of the brothers, Roger (pronounced "Hoger"). The Machados are the first cousins to the Gracies and followed Rorion to So Ca when he was bringing BJJ to America. There was Carlos, Roger, Rigan, Jean-Jacques and John.

Chuck Norris also trained there and when he moved to Texas for his TV show he took Carlos with him so he could keep up his training and set up Carlos with his own school and brought BJJ to Texas.

I talked a lot with Dan about Bruce as I was a huge fan and Dan was his closest friend. Not surprisingly, Dan said that Bruce would have loved BJJ. He was already incorporating ground fighting in his movies with the opening scene in Enter the Dragon and with Jabbar in Game of Death.



Good stuff, Pellius!
Thanks!!

When was the last time you saw Dan?

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Re: Strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #98 on: April 04, 2015, 06:01:59 PM »
12 weeks on Keto, don't think we have to wonder about his natty status



Nice transformation, where did all the skin go?

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« Reply #99 on: April 04, 2015, 06:03:44 PM »
Sad thing when you read in to Bruce Lee, like Michael Jordan as well, is they were/are both complete assholes