Dorian Yates was playing in another division!

[NarcissisticDeity]

Now you all made ND pissed and he is frantically going to start posting thousands of images of Dorian! 

 

[SF1900]

Those pics are insane. I wouldn't say he is automatically better than Ronnie Coleman. There were times when Dorian looked better and times when Ronnie did.

However, he destroys narrow Phil Heath.

[njflex]

i have changed my thinking over the years and actually look at them oppositely now....but still call it a draw.

Dorian is the symmetrical one, and looks more "of a piece" than Ronnie. he's not pretty, but he's better proportioned and fits together better than Ronnie.

Ronnie is just hanging muscle, it's ike he's a giant fkng penis. no fat, veins everywhere, solid muscle.

  look at head size, Ronnie had a big melon, Dorian kind of a bird face...and Ronnies body looks so much biggger, he's tremendous.   but the HUGE ronnie had no flow. he was like what Kai Greene wishes he was.  smaller Ronnie was better IMO, but stil not good enough to beat Dorian IMO,

 draw. every time.

Not to drop on your quotes but I like what u wrote again here,they were both impressive at lighter weights,and when they were at there biggest even though they lost some of the polish or flow they were still too damn big or conditioned to be touched.what makes yates impressive was his quads were on the slender side but carved like stone and he had narrow hips so they flowed well and still touched together and then down to a pair of calves that almost rubbed together ,crazy,,,

[Iceman1981]

They said that Ronnie's best pose was the the rear lat spread...

But I think that Ronnie best pose may have been the rear double bi

Same here.

[Iceman1981]

Now you all made ND pissed and he is frantically going to start posting thousands of images of Dorian! 

LOL

[falco]

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL

 

[Iceman1981]

Found these a while back.

[Iceman1981]

..............

[NarcissisticDeity]

Found these a while back.

You can tell they were done by a Ronnie fan boy , especially when their calves are the same size

[_bruce_]

ND, please stop - I'm running out of tissues! 

[SF1900]

You can tell they were done by a Ronnie fan boy , especially when their calves are the same size

 

[Wiggs]

I'm sorry, Ronnie is just on another level muscularity wise. His quads destroy Dorians.

[Teutonic Knight]

I'm sorry, Ronnie is just on another level muscularity wise. His quads destroy Dorians.

How is male nursing progressing (or NOT) Wiggzy 

No Happy Passover greetings from U, 

[SomeKindofMonster]

Its funny how not a single pro looks like this anymore.  Phil Heath and jay cutler at their best look(ed) awful compared to this pic of Dorian.  Here he is balanced with separation and fullness/hardness.  The mass game has killed quality physiques.  It began with Yates but the guys nowadays have taken it to far.

It's because Yates never even tried Slin until the off season 1997.
Insulin is ruining BBing.
From Yates Himself:
There is no doubt in my mind that the widespread use of insulin all the way up until the contests to ensure maximum fullness of the muscles has been a major contributing factor to the loss of sharpness and detail. Insulin was never part of my pre-contest regimen. I did try it in my off-season preceding my final Mr. Olympia win in 1997, but I now advise against use of it at any time. Contrary to popular belief, I don’t believe it leads to any increased quality muscle gain, only water/glycogen retention. This provides an instant gratification in terms of increased bodyweight, but in my estimation it has also been preventing many of the current pros from achieving the crisp condition they would otherwise be capable of.

[Iceman1981]

You can tell they were done by a Ronnie fan boy , especially when their calves are the same size

I don't see that. Which pics are you talking about? Ronnie's calves in all of those pics are short and high. While Dorian's calves are long and thick with a diamond shape. Ronnie's calves were big, but lacked the diamond shape Dorian is displaying in all of those pics above.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I don't see that. Which pics are you talking about? Ronnie's calves in all of those pics are short and high. While Dorian's calves are long and thick with a diamond shape. Ronnie's calves were big, but lacked the diamond shape Dorian is displaying in all of those pics above.

The ab-thigh shot and the back double biceps shot. Not only that Dorian's hips & waist are just as narrow as Ronnies and it's just not in reality.

[NarcissisticDeity]

This is reality , 250lbs Ronnie & 255lbs Dorian

[The Ugly]

Found these a while back.

Dorian owns this pose. Ronnie's back may be better, but he looks awkward in the FLS. Wolf is the only one who comes close.

[Wiggs]

This is reality , 250lbs Ronnie & 255lbs Dorian

No, the reality is Ronnie 8 Mr. Os. Dorian 6.  That's reality.  Nice try though.  Showing a prime Dorian vs. a non-prime Ronnie. 

[Wiggs]

And Phil destroys both of em anyways.

I'm going to remember this shitty pic of Heath for a long time.  It's his worst pic as Mr. O imo.

[NarcissisticDeity]

No, the reality is Ronnie 8 Mr. Os. Dorian 6.  That's reality.  Nice try though.  Showing a prime Dorian vs. a non-prime Ronnie. 

No , You missed the point that I was making the reality of what a 255lb Ronnie looks like directly next to Dorian. The old " he has more Olympias so he's better spiel "  Franco Columbu has more Olympia than Flex Wheeler so that makes him better huh? 

That's not a ' prime ' Dorian either , Ronnie at his prime was actually less than what he weighed there. So the point stands when people create these ' comparisons ' of Ronnie from 1998 vs Dorian and , Dorian's waist & hips are smaller & Ronnies calves are just as big it shows how far from reality it is.

Ronnie 1998/2001 would look just like that compared to Dorian at around 255lbs he wouldn't be out sizing him at all. Ronnie 2003 would but the we can compare him next to Dorian at heavier weights like this shot pre-contest 1995 Mr Olympia where he's 283lbs , Ronnie 2003 was 287lbs just 5lbs heavier . So Ronnie wouldn't have a size advantage and definitely wouldn't have a conditioning advantage.

[Wiggs]

No , You missed the point that I was making the reality of what a 255lb Ronnie looks like directly next to Dorian. The old " he has more Olympias so he's better spiel "  Franco Columbu has more Olympia than Flex Wheeler so that makes him better huh? 

That's not a ' prime ' Dorian either , Ronnie at his prime was actually less than what he weighed there. So the point stands when people create these ' comparisons ' of Ronnie from 1998 vs Dorian and , Dorian's waist & hips are smaller & Ronnies calves are just as big it shows how far from reality it is.

Ronnie 1998/2001 would look just like that compared to Dorian at around 255lbs he wouldn't be out sizing him at all. Ronnie 2003 would but the we can compare him next to Dorian at heavier weights like this shot pre-contest 1995 Mr Olympia where he's 283lbs , Ronnie 2003 was 287lbs just 5lbs heavier . So Ronnie wouldn't have a size advantage and definitely wouldn't have a conditioning advantage.

Blah, blah, blah.  Compare Mr. Os against other Mr. Os.   IF Ronnie was 250 there (he wasn't), it's a different looking 250 than 98-01. Bottom line is Dorian's best is not better than Ronnie's best AND Ronnie has two more Mr. Os. Ronnie is just better.  He's not even my favorite and I can see he's just better than Dorian overall.   

I don't care about Dorian precontest shots only what he looked like onstage showtime. The largest he came into show in 97, he looked like shit.  Largest Ronnie came into a show 03 then 04, he dominated. It wasn't even close and it wasn't his best looks.

Dorian has Ronnie on conditioning, calves and abs.  That's it. Ronnie has everything else arms, shoulders, chest, legs, AND BACK.   

[NarcissisticDeity]

Blah, blah, blah.  Compare Mr. Os against other Mr. Os.   IF Ronnie was 250 there (he wasn't), it's a different looking 250 than 98-01. Bottom line is Dorian's best is not better than Ronnie's best AND Ronnie has two more Mr. Os. Ronnie is just better.  He's not even my favorite and I can see he's just better than Dorian overall.   

I don't care about Dorian precontest shots only what he looked like onstage showtime. The largest he came into show in 97, he looked like shit.  Largest Ronnie came into a show 03 then 04, he dominated. It wasn't even close and it wasn't his best looks.

Dorian has Ronnie on conditioning, calves and abs.  That's it. Ronnie has everything else arms, shoulders, chest, legs, AND BACK.   

Blah, blah, blah.  Compare Mr. Os against other Mr. Os.   IF Ronnie was 250 there (he wasn't), it's a different looking 250 than 98-01. Bottom line is Dorian's best is not better than Ronnie's best AND Ronnie has two more Mr. Os. Ronnie is just better.  He's not even my favorite and I can see he's just better than Dorian overall. 

You're flat out wrong period. Ronnie at the 1996 Mr Olympia was 255lbs and yes it was a different look because at the Olympia in 1998 he was 249lbs and shredded , however my point stands , Ronnie at his best 1998 is NOT going to make Dorian look small , in fact Ronnie is going to look smaller. Especially at his best he's lighter.

Bottom line is Dorian was always better than Ronnie and always has been , the claim is because he finally got into great shape could be beat Dorian? He has two more Mr Olympias? How many of those Olympias were against Dorian? ZERO

I don't care about Dorian precontest shots only what he looked like onstage showtime. The largest he came into show in 97, he looked like shit.  Largest Ronnie came into a show 03 then 04, he dominated. It wasn't even close and it wasn't his best looks.

Of course you don't care about pre contest shots because it evens things out a bit in fact it doesn't because Dorian would be just as big with better conditioning  Dorian admitted that he could have competed much heavier and in an ever ending quest for conditioning he was burning off muscle , Dorian at 283lbs would mop the floor with ANY version of Ronnie , Dorian at 270lbs in those famous 93 precontest pics would too and Dorian's not even my favorite bodybuilder but I can see that he's just better overall

Dorian has Ronnie on conditioning, calves and abs.  That's it. Ronnie has everything else arms, shoulders, chest, legs, AND BACK. 

Parts don't win contests , poses do. And Dorian just has to many advantages for Ronnie , in fact anyone. Statistically Ronnie doesn't stand a chance


I've been saying this for years 

Dorian Yates: All Time #1

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/10344-team-md-blogs/the-mcgough-report/5414-dorian.html#.VSEsY_nF9MQ

[NarcissisticDeity]

So there I was last Sunday afternoon digesting the “shock” of Dexter Jackson winning the Australian Grand Prix, my head filled with idle thoughts such as, When will Skype start charging for their service, Why do they say an alarm goes “off” when it clearly goes on, What was the best thing before sliced bread? Out of the corner of my eye I saw an ESPN update on spring training results and not for the first time realized that a fundamental of baseball is the recording of stats. Strangely enough my own favorite sport, football (soccer), has in recent years starting quoting stats. Previously the only stats kept were goals scored and points won, now they have list of most goal assists, most completed passes, most tackles and so on. I fully expect them to start compiling most picked noses in a stadium during a 90 minute game, while why the unfortunate gentleman with the prominent schnozzle in row 24 D at the Manchester United vs. Chelsea game would pick that nose is beyond me.

But we digress; the thought arose that maybe we should, review bodybuilding stats, starting with the most winning percentages. In conversation with my good friend Joe “Factoids” Roark who runs ironhistory.com, we decided to look at the ten most winningest bodybuilders in IFBB pro history and figure out who had the best winning percentage.  Here’s how it panned out.


#1 Dorian Yates: 15 pro wins, 17 pro contests, 88.2%.

#2 Lee Haney: 11 pro wins, 16 pro contests, 68.8 %.

#3 Flex Wheeler: 16 pro wins, 32 pro contests, 50%.

#4 Jay Cutler: 15 pro wins, 31 pro contests, 48.4%.

#5 Chris Dickerson: 10 pro wins, 23 pro contests,43.5%.

#6 Ronnie Coleman:  26 pro wins, 66 pro contests, 39.4%.

#7 Kevin Levrone: 20 pro wins, 62 pro contests, 32.3%.

#8 Vince Taylor: 22 pro wins, 72 pro contests, 30.5%. 

#9 Dexter Jackson: 18 pro wins, 63 pro contests, 28.6%.

#10 Chris Cormier: 11 pro wins, 72 pro contests, 15.3%.


Comments:
•    Yates’ only non-winning outings were runner up spots at the 1990 Night of Champions and 1991 Mr. Olympia.
•    Haney’s five non-winning outings were in his rookie year of 1983, when he snagged third spots at the Olympia, Swiss Grand Prix and World Pro and second places at the English and Swedish Grand Prixs.
•    Coleman not being higher may surprise many, but from 1992 through 1997 he scored just three wins in 36 contests. His avalanche of victories didn’t take off until 1998.
•    For a guy who was often criticized for inconsistency Flex Wheeler won an amazing 50% of his contests.
•    Cutler’s rating is higher than Coleman’s although in their head-to-heads the latter won the first ten and the former the last six.
•    Of Vince Taylor’s 22 wins, six were Masters titles (1996, ’97, ’99, 2000 and ‘01 Olympia and 1998 Arnold Masters).

Thus according to the stats Dorian Yates record of 17 contests, 15 wins and two seconds put him