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Re: Violates rights of atheists
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2015, 11:33:04 AM »
Good decision. Not everyone wants to embarrass themselves speaking into the air about nothing in particular. And especially being forced to do so.
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Re: Violates rights of atheists
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2015, 11:47:27 AM »
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Re: Violates rights of atheists
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2015, 12:05:21 PM »
While I personally find the presence of the words "under God" in the pledge to be moronic, I don't really find it offensive nor does it make me feel like a second class citizen. Based solely on what's in the article, I'm ok with most of what the Judge says.  What I fundamentally disagree with is a law that requires that students recite the pledge, but not because of the words "under God".

The simple fact is that requiring someone to pledge their allegiance - whether to the flag, the nation or God - at the point of a proverbial gun is meaningless, contradictory and stupid. The Judge should have, sua sponte, struck the law down based on that and that alone.

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Re: Violates rights of atheists
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2015, 12:12:40 PM »
Good decision. Not everyone wants to embarrass themselves speaking into the air about nothing in particular. And especially being forced to do so.

It is a good decision, but did you actually read the article?

Judge in THIS State Rules if Pledge Violates Rights of Atheists – “One Nation, Under GOD!”
By TPIWriter


The Pledge of Allegiance is said at schools across America, every day. But a Judge in New Jersey, after hearing the arguments made by angry atheists, had to decide if the words “under God” violated the constitutional rights of atheist students. In one local school district, the lawsuit filed by the American Humanist Association, said the phrase promoted an environment of discrimination in class because it elevated religion and made the atheist students feel like “second-class citizens.”

However, State Superior Court Judge David F. Bauman was not happy with these frivolous arguments! The judge upheld a New Jersey law that says pupils must recite the Pledge of Allegiance unless they have “conscientious scruples” that do not allow it.

Quoting George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Dwight D. Eisenhower and the New Jersey Constitution, Bauman said the United States for centuries has woven small aspects of religion and references to God into its customs and traditions – not as an endorsement of any faith, but as an acknowledgement of the role religion played in the country’s founding.
 
“As a matter of historical tradition, the words ‘under God’ can no more be expunged from the national consciousness than the words ‘In God We Trust’ from every coin in the land, than the words ‘so help me God’ from every presidential oath since 1789, or than the prayer that has opened every congressional session of legislative business since 1787,” Bauman wrote in his decision.

“The pledge of allegiance, in this historical context, is not to be viewed, and has never been viewed, as a religious exercise,” Bauman wrote. Instead, the judge said, it was meant to promote the “core values of duty, honor, pride and fidelity to country on which the social contract between the United States and its citizens is ultimately based.”

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Bauman said even the New Jersey constitution included a reference to an “Almighty God.”
 
“Under plaintiffs’ reasoning, the very constitution under which plaintiffs seek redress for perceived atheistic marginalization could itself be deemed unconstitutional, an absurd proposition which plaintiffs do not and cannot advance here,” Bauman wrote, adding later: “Protecting students from viewpoints and ideas that may offend or upset them is not and has never been the role of public schools in America.”

via NorthJersey.com

What a brilliant response by a Judge. I’m surprised he didn’t lose his temper, having to explain how frequently “God” is mentioned in government buildings, documents, and our currency.

America has always been a Christian nation, and a simple recognition of an almighty creator is a passing reference to where our laws come from. The religious origins of our form of government is clear, and freedom of religion isn’t the same as freedom FROM religion.

Thank you Judge Bauman for standing up for American values!

Do you support the Pledge of Allegiance being said in schools? Please leave us a comment and tell us what you think.


http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/judge-rules-if-pledge-violates-rights-of-atheists/#ixzz3cmZHxkh4

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Re: Violates rights of atheists
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2015, 01:44:29 PM »
The "under god" bullshit was only added in 1954 and which god are we talking about her since there is no official religion in this country?

Why are we even making students loyalty oath anyway.  

They are just going to school.   They aren't joining the military or becoming a member  of congress.

This was formally adopted by Congress as "the pledge" in 1942

Anyone remember if anything significant was going on around that time

Here is how they used to do the loyatly oath named after the Socialist who created it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance

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The Bellamy salute is the salute described by Francis Bellamy, Christian socialist minister and author, to accompany the American Pledge of Allegiance, which he had authored. During the period when it was used with the Pledge of Allegiance, it was sometimes known as the "flag salute". Later, during the 1920s and 1930s, Italian fascists and Nazis adopted a salute which had the same form, and which was derived from the Roman salute. This resulted in controversy over the use of the Bellamy salute in the United States. It was officially replaced by the hand-over-heart salute when Congress amended the Flag Code on December 22, 1942.

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Re: Violates rights of atheists
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2015, 02:23:01 PM »
The "under god" bullshit was only added in 1954 and which god are we talking about her since there is no official religion in this country?

Why are we even making students loyalty oath anyway.  

They are just going to school.   They aren't joining the military or becoming a member  of congress.

This was formally adopted by Congress as "the pledge" in 1942

Anyone remember if anything significant was going on around that time

Here is how they used to do the loyatly oath named after the Socialist who created it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance


Christianity.  Didn't you know?  This country was founded on Christian principles and ideology.  Just ask any right wing nut bag and they will tell you this. 

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Re: Violates rights of atheists
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2015, 02:30:20 PM »
Christianity.  Didn't you know?  This country was founded on Christian principles and ideology.  Just ask any right wing nut bag and they will tell you this. 

The creator of "the pledge" was a christian socialist who "championed 'the rights of working people and the equal distribution of economic resources, which he believed was inherent in the teachings of Jesus.'"

and even he didn't have the "under god" part in his pledge

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Re: Violates rights of atheists
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2015, 02:37:38 PM »
The creator of "the pledge" was a christian socialist who "championed 'the rights of working people and the equal distribution of economic resources, which he believed was inherent in the teachings of Jesus.'"

and even he didn't have the "under god" part in his pledge

Doesn't matter.  All our Founding Fathers were Christians and established and molded the nation into an image of Christianity for each and everyone here.   They only added "God" on there because no one would could really pronounce YHVH or JHVH.

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Re: Violates rights of atheists
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2015, 03:43:29 PM »
Doesn't matter.  All our Founding Fathers were Christians and established and molded the nation into an image of Christianity for each and everyone here.   They only added "God" on there because no one would could really pronounce YHVH or JHVH.


http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/07/04/35-founding-father-quotes-conservative-christians-will-hate/

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Re: Violates rights of atheists
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2015, 05:34:13 AM »
But that's not what the Bible says!!!!!


The US was created many hundred years after the bible was written.

But somehow its still gods own country.

Go figure.


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Re: Violates rights of atheists
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2015, 08:43:50 AM »
With the occult symbolism on our money, it is plain to see that the god this country puts there trust in is not the Christian GOD.