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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #9875 on: November 25, 2023, 02:07:12 AM »
Dude congrats - that is absolutely the right thing to do. Instead of borrowing money and buying a (declining in value) car like many Americans do, you are taking some cash out of that car and securing your status as a wholecoiner (which in the future will be a fundamental marker and societal differentiator between the have's and the have not's).

Once you have that coin, do not let is go. You will see all sorts of attempts from others to separate that coin from you. Attempts to tax you, trick you in to swapping it for something else, FUD telling you its time to sell, banks offering various lending to you secured by your coin handed to them to custody, property developers offering you an apartment to be built in the future, secured by deposit of your coin, shitcoin scammers telling you they have a better coin they can give you in exchance for your bitcoin etc. HODL, and ride out the volitility along the way. Good luck!

Thanks, the only thing conflicting me right now is should I wait for a better price on my car or just dump it right away at 44k like this first (presumably low ball) offer just do I can get btc faster since when btc jumps to 50k and my car still hasnt sold for the 50k I want to sell it for, I will regret. I also have 70 ounces of gold in a bank deposit box. Considered putting it into btc but just in case the unthinkable happend and btc goes to zero and gold 10xes I just dont want to risk it all.

May fortune favor us.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #9876 on: November 25, 2023, 06:15:41 AM »
Thanks, the only thing conflicting me right now is should I wait for a better price on my car or just dump it right away at 44k like this first (presumably low ball) offer just do I can get btc faster since when btc jumps to 50k and my car still hasnt sold for the 50k I want to sell it for, I will regret. I also have 70 ounces of gold in a bank deposit box. Considered putting it into btc but just in case the unthinkable happend and btc goes to zero and gold 10xes I just dont want to risk it all.

May fortune favor us.

BTC will likely first retest lower prices from where it is currently. Even if it still goes higher from here.

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« Reply #9877 on: November 25, 2023, 06:20:12 AM »
BTC will likely first retest lower prices from where it is currently. Even if it still goes higher from here.
yeah i think so too so i am just going to relax and sell the car for the right price

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #9878 on: November 25, 2023, 06:33:33 AM »
I think 33-34k will be retested for BTC in the near term.

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« Reply #9879 on: November 25, 2023, 07:44:15 AM »
I think 33-34k will be retested for BTC in the near term.

And only up from there basically ???

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« Reply #9880 on: November 25, 2023, 08:09:04 AM »
And only up from there basically ???

I wouldn't rule out 30k either.

But I do think we see previous ATH's at least reached next year.

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« Reply #9881 on: November 25, 2023, 07:31:50 PM »
Imagine trading this asset for a small gain only to pay 30-50% tax then degen again into gambling  when the odds are definitely staked against  you.

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« Reply #9882 on: November 29, 2023, 05:22:03 AM »
Looks like 38K is building as the latest support level. Lets see if it holds next 48 hours. If so that's a petty solid new base for the next hike up.

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« Reply #9883 on: November 29, 2023, 07:10:05 AM »
Maybe I should have taken the 44k offer. Problem with used car market is that higher end used cars are somewhat of a niche.

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« Reply #9884 on: November 29, 2023, 07:16:02 AM »
I counter offered him 48k which is right in the middle of asking and bidding price

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« Reply #9885 on: December 01, 2023, 04:19:29 AM »
Well, I'm not much of a fan of technical indicators, but it would pretty obvious that on basic technical alone we are on an upward phase and through the last bear cycle.

Beyond that there are many major drivers at play which are super bullish for BTC demand.

-Conflict in various parts of the world leading to a demand for assets which are fixed in supply, easily divisible, and transferable across boarders.

-Inflation in many parts of the world, devaluing fiat currencies at a noticeable rate.

-Increasing education and awareness among our citizens as to why a global, uncensorable, uncorruptable, secure, digital, store of value and money, perfectly limited in supply, and decentralized, is so so important into the future we are heading.
 
-Numerous US BTC ETF's poised for approval for some of the largest funds in the world, which will result in hundreds of Billions of fund inflows into this asset class.

-Increasing understand and regulatory and technical and philosophical and economic understanding as to the difference betwen Bitcoin and "cryptos".

- The 2024 halvening due in around 6 months.

-The increasingly obviousness that the US will (and has almost no choice but to) embark on greater money printing than ever before.

-Ai increasingly making use of BTC as a base layer store of value.

-Countries globally looking to increase income taxes.

...all of which, when you combine with even just a slight increase of demand for this very unique limited in supply  asset class, will lead to a MASSIVE upward movement once FOMO takes hold (which will gradually build up and then abruptly take hold and explode in a positive loop upward price cycle).

Oh, and major financial players coming out strongly in support of Bitcoin as the supreme asset class, different and better than all others. Here is a good example, an interview with Fidelity.

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Well, so there we have it @Mayday. Since my buy BTC call of 28 October, we did not have a November collapse as you predicated. Instead, we closed above 38K (well up from 28K on the date of my post). I hope now, (and it should be obvious to all, in hindsight), that all can now understand why I made this prediction and urged others to load up. (BTC's rise will be perpetual over the long term by the way, so no one should feel that they have been "too late", but obviously when we see all the stars align for a pump, we should increase the pace of our buying to benefit from that surge).

As for our discussion on the taxation of gains in BTC in countries who impose capital gains tax on such assets, all I can say, is buy peer to peer (so there is no traceable electronic record of your purchase to any bank account connected with your personal details, and then, when you are ready, use that BTC in a similar manner, or in an off-shore location where no tax is imposed on any gain). This really should only be in a decade or longer after buying. Even though capital gains may be imposed by governments on all assets such as property, art, gold, stock, FX etc BTC's properties are quite unique in terms of you ability to acquire, store and spend it anonymously, (or at least pseudonymously) along with global portability and infinite divisibility.

Capital gains tax, by the way, is incredibly insidious. Lets imagine you buy a house (or Bitcoin, or stock), and your country has a 50% capital gains tax. By halving the value of your currency through money printing, your house (or Bitcoin, or stock), all things being equal, would double (in nominal terms). So the same asset, which you bought for 1m, is now nominally worth 2m, and the Govt then takes 50% of the "gain", effectively having stolen 25% of the real value of your asset. This is why its so important, for those of us in countries who engage in such theft via deception, to know how to defend ourselves against this.

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« Reply #9886 on: December 01, 2023, 05:11:30 AM »
Well, so there we have it @Mayday. Since my buy BTC call of 28 October, we did not have a November collapse as you predicated. Instead, we closed above 38K (well up from 28K on the date of my post). I hope now, (and it should be obvious to all, in hindsight), that all can now understand why I made this prediction and urged others to load up. (BTC's rise will be perpetual over the long term by the way, so no one should feel that they have been "too late", but obviously when we see all the stars align for a pump, we should increase the pace of our buying to benefit from that surge).

As for our discussion on the taxation of gains in BTC in countries who impose capital gains tax on such assets, all I can say, is buy peer to peer (so there is no traceable electronic record of your purchase to any bank account connected with your personal details, and then, when you are ready, use that BTC in a similar manner, or in an off-shore location where no tax is imposed on any gain). This really should only be in a decade or longer after buying. Even though capital gains may be imposed by governments on all assets such as property, art, gold, stock, FX etc BTC's properties are quite unique in terms of you ability to acquire, store and spend it anonymously, (or at least pseudonymously) along with global portability and infinite divisibility.

Capital gains tax, by the way, is incredibly insidious. Lets imagine you buy a house (or Bitcoin, or stock), and your country has a 50% capital gains tax. By halving the value of your currency through money printing, your house (or Bitcoin, or stock), all things being equal, would double (in nominal terms). So the same asset, which you bought for 1m, is now nominally worth 2m, and the Govt then takes 50% of the "gain", effectively having stolen 25% of the real value of your asset. This is why its so important, for those of us in countries who engage in such theft via deception, to know how to defend ourselves against this.

Nice call Gib. Although the price still hasn't actually closed above 38k yet.

Don't think it really matters though. Something like high 80s or 90% of BTC held is in profit and I doubt many will sell with the ETFs around the corner. Any correction would be bought up anyway.

Only a US recession in 2024 spoils this now. Although that should be viewed as great buying opportunity. Recession in an election year = money printer.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #9887 on: December 01, 2023, 05:58:55 AM »
Nice call Gib. Although the price still hasn't actually closed above 38k yet.

Don't think it really matters though. Something like high 80s or 90% of BTC holders are in profit and I doubt many will sell with the ETFs around the corner. Any correction would be bought up anyway.

Only a US recession in 2024 spoils this now. Although that should be viewed as great buying opportunity. Recession in an election year = money printer.

Yes fully agree on all these points.

Regarding almost everyone being "in the money", there will always be someone who will reply "well it didn't help the people who bought exactly at the last peak!".

To those people I would say, that anyone who had simply DCA'd from the last peak until now, would be way up. Again demonstrating that to consistently stack Sats, and then simply HODL is key. Over the long term, time in the market will be Bitcoin's greatest friend.

Same thing will happen this next cycle. The 100K barrier will being a lot of excitement, but some people won't buy in until say 360K, shelling out 360K to become a first time wholecoiner. Then, when we see a reversal to say 120K, some of those who bought at 360K will say never again, and be complaining about Bitcoin's volitivity. Meanwhile, anyone who bought in the prior cycle peak of 60K, or cycle before that that 20K, will all be well up...


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« Reply #9888 on: December 02, 2023, 10:07:38 PM »
PS - @ Flex, it seems not only did we close above 38K, but we are now nicely holding 39.

Bring on 40!

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« Reply #9889 on: December 02, 2023, 10:09:21 PM »
OK GETBIGGERS, I AM CALLING IT. THE NEXT CYCLE (now to end of 2025) HAS STARTED. AND ITS GOING TO BE EPIC.

I HAVE SAID IT MANY TIMES. THE CHANCES OF BECOMING A WHOLECOINER (IF YOU ARE NOT ONE) WILL GET LOWER BY THE DAY. SECURE YOUR FUTURE AND START SACKING SATS.

And how do you get to that conclusion, you financial expert? :D

I hope you how now learned your lesson @Affeman...

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« Reply #9890 on: December 03, 2023, 12:21:54 AM »
I hope you how now learned your lesson @Affeman...

You're pretty hyped that your imaginary coin currently sits at around 55% of it's peak price in 2021, aren't you? :D

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« Reply #9891 on: December 03, 2023, 01:10:10 AM »
You're pretty hyped that your imaginary coin currently sits at around 55% of it's peak price in 2021, aren't you? :D

A few comments here.

It's not my coin. It its the world's coin. The code has been public from the first hash.

Bitcoin was imagined when Satoshi published his whitepaper. Now of course it is real.

Against numerous fiat currencies, BTC is already at record highs. But in any case, anyone who simply bought on a regular basis and hodled, even from the very peak in USD, would be well up. If you happened to be one of those fools who made your only allocation at the exact peak in USD, don't worry though. BTC will go up against all fiat to infinity over time. (I have explained this in earlier posts...).

By the way, you know that this last post of yours will also come back to haunt you in the months to come, don't you. I will make sure of that... :)

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« Reply #9892 on: December 03, 2023, 01:46:16 AM »
By the way, you know that this last post of yours will also come back to haunt you in the months to come, don't you. I will make sure of that... :)

Well over 100k by March 2024, right? :D :D

I would think we will be well over 100K per BTC coin by March 2024. Once the demand squeeze happens, the spike will be insane, and self-fulfilling, and very fast.

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« Reply #9893 on: December 03, 2023, 03:57:49 AM »
PS - @ Flex, it seems not only did we close above 38K, but we are now nicely holding 39.

Bring on 40!

You could justifiably set your sights even higher.

It may mean nothing, but the Feds fund rate peaked and then held in early 2019 and then bitcoin went on a huge run until they started cutting. Rates have similarly peaked now and Bitcoin is moving almost identically to early 2019.

With ETFs and halving and no rate cuts for a few months it's all lining up for a big move up. Blow off top for everything until rates are cut.


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« Reply #9894 on: December 03, 2023, 05:19:14 AM »
Well over 100k by March 2024, right? :D :D

Glad you are learning young Jedi. Atta boy...

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« Reply #9895 on: December 03, 2023, 06:25:45 AM »
We're printing a fractal that is exactly like the one prior to the boom in 2019.

Blast off anyone?

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« Reply #9896 on: December 03, 2023, 12:30:54 PM »
Which proves my point,  people are looking for the next 10x, 100x, 1000x multiplier.


Overnight success has a 10year time frame, majority people trying to get rich off 10k in a short time frame are going to get rekt. Those that succeed will get greedy and hodl all the way up and then down.
Fresh bunch of idiots are born each cycle and that's what centralised shitcoin founders call  exit liquidity.

Life changing gains can be made in btc on a long enough time frame and decent initial investment and can be content knowing that your investment is secured in the most decentrilised and safest network in human history.
If you look at the charts, Dogecoin outperformed BTC over the past 3 and 5-year periods. So a Shitcoin outperformed your precious Bitcoin for 5 years!

Interesting video by Charles Hoskinson. When BTC was released, Satoshi owned 100% of the hashing power. And has about 5% of the BTC supply. Yeah yeah, he's dead or won't ever move or sell those coins.

IIR, 3 pools dominate the BTC mining landscape. How decentralized is that - really? And what happens eventually when mining profits are miniscule? Why would miners stick around to secure the BTC network? Who's paying those fees? BTC has structural issues long-term.


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« Reply #9897 on: December 03, 2023, 02:40:14 PM »
If you look at the charts, Dogecoin outperformed BTC over the past 3 and 5-year periods. So a Shitcoin outperformed your precious Bitcoin for 5 years!

Interesting video by Charles Hoskinson. When BTC was released, Satoshi owned 100% of the hashing power. And has about 5% of the BTC supply. Yeah yeah, he's dead or won't ever move or sell those coins.

IIR, 3 pools dominate the BTC mining landscape. How decentralized is that - really? And what happens eventually when mining profits are miniscule? Why would miners stick around to secure the BTC network? Who's paying those fees? BTC has structural issues long-term.



Cry harder shitcoiner, almost crying as hard as Charles hoskinson with the news Cardano is being labelled  a security. Grown man in control of a "shitcoin" screaming and crying online. Yeah, that's the sort of shitcoin/company I want to invest in.

Weather you like it or not Btc is "precious", scarce and desirable. Don't convince me of your shitcoinery, start convincing countries who are adopting it. If you want your shitcoin to flourish and pump then plead your case with the powers that are bring it to the forefront.

Start with Argentina, El Salvador you're  too late. Eth and other shitcoins  are classified securities there.

BTW, what's going on with Eth? That was set to flip btc, I mean with all these changes surely they'd get one right  that would catapult their price way past 100k? I'm sure in time I'll  be proven wrong and many countries will adopt it .


You must have a hard time reading, I've addressed this. Btc mining pools are composed of many individual miners that come and go. They aren't in control of the hashrate, it's miners from all over the world. Miners dont control the network. Seems pretty decentrilised to me. The cost factor to initiate a 51% attack would send a country bankrupt  and we would see it coming from a mile away.

What happens to Eth when it hits 10-20-30k? How many people can afford to be validators with 32 Eth? It's almost as if the more Eth grows the more centralised it becomes to those with wealth. Sound familiar?

Why are you talking  about profits and no more btc mined? That's 100+ years from now when you and I are long dead and the financial system will be vastly different than the one today. So, who cares?

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #9898 on: December 03, 2023, 04:49:16 PM »


Paid USD21 in gas fees this morning to do a shitty transaction on ETH.

4yrs have passed, nowhere near ATH frenzy and it’s already shown how fucked a network it is.

I side with gib on digital gold BTC over a network that still can’t fix traffic/fees.

 Vitalickmyballs in 4yrs has achieved dumping 400m+ on people for ‘runway’ yet jack shit has actually made it useable cost wise.


Re BTC Be wary of that DXY……  we are close to 42k and the DXY is right at a support level, if it breaks down then we will rally hard.

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« Reply #9899 on: December 03, 2023, 07:20:54 PM »

Paid USD21 in gas fees this morning to do a shitty transaction on ETH.

4yrs have passed, nowhere near ATH frenzy and it’s already shown how fucked a network it is.

I side with gib on digital gold BTC over a network that still can’t fix traffic/fees.

 Vitalickmyballs in 4yrs has achieved dumping 400m+ on people for ‘runway’ yet jack shit has actually made it useable cost wise.


Re BTC Be wary of that DXY……  we are close to 42k and the DXY is right at a support level, if it breaks down then we will rally hard.
Thanks for helping to burn ETH! I checked a while ago and the 1 hour deflation was -1%. Now its around -.78%. Since the Merge it's been -0.198%. It will be interesting to see how much it deflates in a real bull market.

But why are you doing shitty transactions to pay $21 in fees? I've never paid that much for an ETH transaction. And could you not have used an L2 for the transaction? I would not do a high-dollar transaction on a Layer 2, but smaller transactions? Sure!