Official abortion thread! Post your views and why.

[Davidtheman100]

How does aborting a pre-fetus/fetus that isn't mature any different than me sniping my cum into my girlfriends face??? If you're religious it's sinning either way...I'm killing more potential babies by ejaculating onto her face to be truthful....Might as well abort as many babies as we can to save more supplies on earth and free land...If i'm only gonna live one life here on earth it might as well be the best one possible...I certainly don't wanna be in a world where i have to worry about unborn babies who would have grown up in a time where i was already dead and buried... (semi serious)

[whork]

We need people to die in fact we need people to die at a faster rate then they are now...Look at things like the US oil consumption and look at the use of resources we have, and resources readily available in the world compared to how much we consume...We can't keep doing this....Look at all the forests being chopped down to build houses...How they're cramming suburbs that used to have tons of yards between each house...they're building condos everywhere...Constructio n workers at an all-time high in the cities and the job for tradesmen and nurses outlook is pretty significant in the future as far as demand goes...We cannot cut off those resources of killing people justifiably...This is the harsh truth..We need this

+1

[avxo]

www.google.com

If you make a claim - as you have - then you should be willing to back it up. Redirecting someone to google is just flat out silly. You tell someone to google answers. Not positions.

But then again, you aren't here to discuss and debate, are you?

[JOHN MATRIX]

what baby

also having an abortion can be a very responsible act by an individual so perfectly in line with that imaginary belief you have about the democratic party

the one that is being killed and cut up, you know, the ones you guys are in denial about

[avxo]

the one that is being killed and cut up, you know, the ones you guys are in denial about

Is a fertilized ovum a baby? If not, at what point does it become a baby?

[Dos Equis]

If you make a claim - as you have - then you should be willing to back it up. Redirecting someone to google is just flat out silly. You tell someone to google answers. Not positions.

But then again, you aren't here to discuss and debate, are you?

If I am talking to a dishonest troll, I will tell him to go do his own homework.  If you don't like that approach, that is a you problem.  

I discuss and debate all the time.  The level of discourse depends on the person I'm talking too.  

[Straw Man]

If I am talking to a dishonest troll, I will tell him to go do his own homework.  If you don't like that approach, that is a you problem.  

I discuss and debate all the time.  The level of discourse depends on the person I'm talking too.  

it's his homework to provide proof of your claim

that's a great debate tactic ....for a second grader (actually not even then)

[Straw Man]

the one that is being killed and cut up, you know, the ones you guys are in denial about

nothing to deny except pretending that a fertilized egg or even a fetus is a baby

[AbrahamG]

How does aborting a pre-fetus/fetus that isn't mature any different than me sniping my cum into my girlfriends face??? If you're religious it's sinning either way...I'm killing more potential babies by ejaculating onto her face to be truthful....Might as well abort as many babies as we can to save more supplies on earth and free land...If i'm only gonna live one life here on earth it might as well be the best one possible...I certainly don't wanna be in a world where i have to worry about unborn babies who would have grown up in a time where i was already dead and buried... (semi serious)

The only beef I have with this post is that I would never cum on a girlfriend or wife's face.  This is why you always have a pig or two on the side.

[avxo]

If I am talking to a dishonest troll, I will tell him to go do his own homework.  If you don't like that approach, that is a you problem.

Wait... can two trolls talk with each other?!

I discuss and debate all the time.

I'm not sure that what you do can be described as discussing or debating. The word I'm thinking of starts with a T.

[Dos Equis]

Wait... can two trolls talk with each other?!


I'm not sure that what you do can be described as discussing or debating. The word I'm thinking of starts with a T.

Good question.  Do you talk to yourself?? 

Sure it is. Just like you, even when you lose your ability to type without insulting people, are still discussing and debating. 

[avxo]

Good question.  Do you talk to yourself?? 

Sure it is. Just like you, even when you lose your ability to type without insulting people, are still discussing and debating.

Calling a spade a spade isn't an insult.

[Dos Equis]

Calling a spade a spade isn't an insult.

Really?  So all those times you call people names on the board is just calling a spade a spade?  Well thanks for that clarification Morton Downy, Jr. 

[avxo]

Really?  So all those times you call people names on the board is just calling a spade a spade?  Well thanks for that clarification Morton Downy, Jr. 

Feel free to show me a case where my words were inappropriate.

[Dos Equis]

Feel free to show me a case where my words were inappropriate.

Dude.  You're asking me to go find instances where you called people names, lost your cool, etc.?  Are you really trying to say you have not done that? 

[avxo]

Dude.  You're asking me to go find instances where you called people names, lost your cool, etc.?  Are you really trying to say you have not done that? 

No - I'm saying that you should point out instances where I called someone a name that you feel was inappropriate. Have I called people stupid? I have. Have I called them idiots? I have. Have I called them buffoons? I have. I stand behind what I said: if someone is being stupid, I'll call him stupid. If someone is acting like an idiot, I'll call him an idiot. If someone is a buffoon, I'll call him a buffoon.

If you want to go find instances that prove otherwise, then go for it. It's Friday and the night is young...

[Irongrip400]

Is a fertilized ovum a baby? If not, at what point does it become a baby?

I'd say that although the chances are slim, they can live at 25 weeks. Like I said in the beginning, I don't like the idea of it but think it should be the woman's choice. Do you have children?

[tbombz]

Either it is or it isn't murder, and I think that is where the conversation has to begin.

[avxo]

Either it is or it isn't murder, and I think that is where the conversation has to begin.

Murder involves the premeditated killing of a human being. If you want to focus on the murder question, you must answer another one first: is a fertilized ovum is a human being, and if not, when does it becomes one?

[Davidtheman100]

Murder involves the premeditated killing of a human being. If you want to focus on the murder question, you must answer another one first: is a fertilized ovum is a human being, and if not, when does it becomes one?

If we can't justifiably kill humans, then why does the death penalty exist??

[avxo]

If we can't justifiably kill humans, then why does the death penalty exist??

I didn't argue that we can't justifiably kill humans - we can. But if we are going to discuss whether abortion is murder - which is the unlawful, premeditated killing of a human being - then we need to ask the question: is the fertilized ovum a human being?

[tbombz]

"Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception). Fertilization is a sequence of events that begins with the contact of a sperm (spermatozoon) with a secondary oocyte (ovum) and ends with the fusion of their pronuclei (the haploid nuclei of the sperm and ovum) and the mingling of their chromosomes to form a new cell. This fertilized ovum, known as a zygote, is a large diploid cell that is the beginning, or primordium, of a human being."

[Moore, Keith L. Essentials of Human Embryology. Toronto: B.C. Decker Inc, 1988, p.2]



https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

[avxo]

"Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception). Fertilization is a sequence of events that begins with the contact of a sperm (spermatozoon) with a secondary oocyte (ovum) and ends with the fusion of their pronuclei (the haploid nuclei of the sperm and ovum) and the mingling of their chromosomes to form a new cell. This fertilized ovum, known as a zygote, is a large diploid cell that is the beginning, or primordium, of a human being."

[Moore, Keith L. Essentials of Human Embryology. Toronto: B.C. Decker Inc, 1988, p.2]



https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

It marks the beginning of human development, yes, but is it a human being? Well it has the DNA of a human being, but then again, so do skin tags but it's ok to remove those.

[JOHN MATRIX]

If we can't justifiably kill humans, then why does the death penalty exist??

seriously comparing death row convicts who have knowingly made their own terrible choices including murdering innocent people, to a human life that is completely innocent and hasn't even had a chance to even make its own decisions yet?

it is hard to have a serious debate with someone who can fail to grasp such basic things as a starting point..the whole point of the death penalty is to remove dangerous people from society because they kill and hurt others. abortion is taking a life which is completely innocent and killing it for the sake of convenience. does this key difference really need to be explained??

[OzmO]

Abortion is wrong.

I don't know at what point its murder, although IMO i think if the baby is aborted at a time when it can survive outside the womb its definitely murder.

That being said i don't think it should be illegal in the first few weeks of pregnancy.  Women can make that decision and deal with the consequences with their maker.  

Also, the welfare system would get majorly taxed and back alley abortions would become a problem.

You fucking Bible thumpers need to just shut the fuck up and live your own lives cause fact is most of you are hypocrites one way or another anyway.