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Nazi on Trial for 3,600 murders
« on: January 20, 2016, 11:37:33 AM »

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Former Auschwitz medic, 95, who now has dementia to stand trial over deaths of 3,600 people in Nazi extermination camp
 

An elderly man who served as an S.S. medic at the Nazi extermination camp of Auschwitz - and who was on duty when teenage diarist Anne Frank was sent there - will stand trial on charges of complicity in mass murder next month.

Proceedings against Hubert Zafke will begin on February 29 in Neubrandenburg near Berlin. Zafke, 95, was examined by psychiatric doctors last year appointed by a court in Rostock and judged mentally sound enough to answer for his role in the murders of 3,681 people.

Zafke served at the premier Nazi extermination facility in Nazi occupied Poland as a medic and claims he took no part in the estimated 1.2 million murders of Jews and others that took place there.
 





Former Auschwitz medic, 95, who now has dementia to stand trial over deaths of 3,600 people in Nazi extermination camp

    Hubert Zafke, 95, served as S.S. medic at Nazi extermination camp
    He was on duty when diarist Anne Frank was sent there
    Indictment says prisoners were gassed while Zafke was on duty
    In 1948, Zafke was sentenced to three years in jail because of his S.S. membership

By Allan Hall In Berlin for MailOnline

Published: 14:29 EST, 18 January 2016 | Updated: 16:41 EST, 18 January 2016

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An elderly man who served as an S.S. medic at the Nazi extermination camp of Auschwitz - and who was on duty when teenage diarist Anne Frank was sent there - will stand trial on charges of complicity in mass murder next month.

Proceedings against Hubert Zafke will begin on February 29 in Neubrandenburg near Berlin. Zafke, 95, was examined by psychiatric doctors last year appointed by a court in Rostock and judged mentally sound enough to answer for his role in the murders of 3,681 people.

Zafke served at the premier Nazi extermination facility in Nazi occupied Poland as a medic and claims he took no part in the estimated 1.2 million murders of Jews and others that took place there.

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Hubert Zafke served as S.S. medic at Auschwitz Nazi extermination camp and was on duty when Jewish diarist Anne Frank arrived
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Hubert Zafke served as S.S. medic at Auschwitz Nazi extermination camp and was on duty when Jewish diarist Anne Frank arrived
Zafke was sentenced by a Polish court because of his S.S. membership to three years in jail, returning to Neubrandenburg in Germany after serving his time
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Zafke was sentenced by a Polish court because of his S.S. membership to three years in jail, returning to Neubrandenburg in Germany after serving his time

The indictment says that prisoners in the medical block at Auschwitz-Birkenau - the part of the camp where the gas chambers were located - were murdered while Zafke was on duty.

According to the indictment Zafke is accused of knowing that he worked in an extermination camp and that he was 'supportive of the running of this extermination camp.'

They added; 'Given his awareness, the accused lent support to the organisation of the camp and was thereby both involved in and advanced the extermination with these cruel and insidious killings of at least 3,681 people.'
 

In 1948 he was sentenced by a Polish court because of his S.S. membership to three years in jail, returning to Neubrandenburg in Germany after serving his time.

Zafka was present when Anne Frank came in on a train from Holland's Westerbork concentration camp on September 5 1944 carrying 498 men, 442 women and 79 children.

In all, say prosecutors, work rosters found bearing his name show he was present when 14 trains bringing prisoners arrived at the complex that was part death camp, part slave labour facility.

Anne, whose memoir of a life in hiding from the Nazis became the single most poignant piece of Holocaust literature, was later transferred to the Belsen concentration camp in Germany where she died early in 1945.

Although classed as a medic, such personnel at Auschwitz were not concerned with the health of inmates, but often poured in the Zyklon-B pesticide crystals into the gas chamber to murder them.
 




The indictment shows that Zafke, who now lives in the tiny village of Gnevkow north of Berlin, joined the Hitler Youth when he was a teenager in his hometown of Schoenau, which now lies in Poland.

The son of a farmer, he attended high school and an agricultural college intending to follow in his father's footsteps. In 1933, aged 13, he joined the Hitler Youth and six years later was in the S.S.

He received his grounding in concentration camp training at Dachau, the first of the Nazi camps where 36,000 people were murdered during its 12 years of operation.

As a junior squad leader - a rank usually given to men singled out as future officer material - Zafke transferred to Auschwitz in the summer of 1944. He is charged with being accomplice to the murders of the 3,681 victims between August 14 and September 14, 1944.

Prosecutors said: 'He is not charged with any single specific murder but as a functionary in the Nazi murder machine which he enabled.' 

Auschwitz was liberated by the Red Army on January 27 1945, now World Holocaust Day, but Zafke had already gone west and fell into British hands. 




He was later transferred back to Poland where he was given his jail sentence in 1948 for his membership in the S.S. and service at Auschwitz. He returned to Germany, married and fathered four sons in Gnevekow.

He made a career out of manufacturing and selling agricultural products including pesticides like Zyklon B.

Gnevkow lay in former East Germany. When the wall fell and archives in Poland, East Germany and former Soviet Russia became accessible, he came on to the radar of Nazi hunters.

The verdict against John Demnjanjuk, a former guard at the Sobibor death camp in occupied Poland, in 2011 paved the way for Zafke's prosecution. Demjanjuk was sentenced to five years in jail for his part in the murders of 28,000 Dutch Jews.

It was the first time that there did not have to be specific eyewitness evidence against an individual: the mere fact he was present in the camp was enough for a guilty verdict.

Zafke does not deny his service at Auschwitz but claims: 'I heard nothing, saw nothing, killed no-one.'

Last year Oskar Groening, 94, was sentenced i Germany to four years behind bars for his role in the murders of 300,000 people while he served as a guard at Auschwitz.

Cases against three more former Auschwitz guards, one of them a woman, are pending, a further nine are under investigation.
 

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Re: Nazi on Trial for 3,600 murders
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2016, 11:41:13 AM »
Is this newsworthy?

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Re: Nazi on Trial for 3,600 murders
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2016, 11:42:48 AM »
You know. Eventually there will be no one possibly alive from that era.

Then what are the Nazi Hunter groups going to do?


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Re: Nazi on Trial for 3,600 murders
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2016, 11:43:49 AM »
Geez...so much killing. :(



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Re: Nazi on Trial for 3,600 murders
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2016, 11:44:42 AM »
I'm half Jewish and would love to say that justice will finally be served and all that. But this is a 95 year old man with dementia... Somehow it just doesn't have the same effect. The guy is like a year away from death, what's the point now?

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Re: Nazi on Trial for 3,600 murders
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2016, 11:46:07 AM »
You know. Eventually there will be no one possibly alive from that era.

Then what are the Nazi Hunter groups going to do?



grandkids of former Nazis...the hunt will continue for generations.....

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Re: Nazi on Trial for 3,600 murders
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2016, 11:46:16 AM »
I'm half Jewish and would love to say that justice will finally be served and all that. But this is a 95 year old man with dementia... Somehow it just doesn't have the same effect. The guy is like a year away from death, what's the point now?

Yup, it's retarded.
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Re: Nazi on Trial for 3,600 murders
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2016, 11:52:47 AM »
grandkids of former Nazis...the hunt will continue for generations.....

You truly think so?

At that point, the world at large will be disgusted by trying to find a child guilty for the sins of the father.

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Re: Nazi on Trial for 3,600 murders
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2016, 11:53:25 AM »
I'm half Jewish and would love to say that justice will finally be served and all that. But this is a 95 year old man with dementia... Somehow it just doesn't have the same effect. The guy is like a year away from death, what's the point now?

Here's the point: that no matter how much TIME passes, if you took part in the evil that was the holocaust, you WILL be found and you WILL be punished.  End of story.  Dementia or not, this nazi did what he did, knew what he did, and lived for decades while he was either directly or indirectly responsible for the deaths of many people.  He lived in fear, even though he was free, fear of being caught.  Which he eventually was.  This is justice.

Is it pointless now?...what possible reason could you put a demented 95 year old nazi in jail?  To let people know that justice exists, that as long as there are people hunting these assholes, there is no rest, nowhere to hide.  

I think it's great news.  Won't do a damn for the harm he's caused, but justice has been served.  

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Re: Nazi on Trial for 3,600 murders
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2016, 11:54:47 AM »
He's 95 with dementia. You can't stick him in a regular prison. Even if you sent him to a secluded prison, he will most likely not know where he is.
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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2016, 11:57:27 AM »
He's 95 with dementia. You can't stick him in a regular prison. Even if you sent him to a secluded prison, he will most likely not know where he is.

Yeah, justice is not just for the victims, but also the criminal.

There is certainly nothing you can do to a 95 year old with dementia that is going to matter.
Even death is just a sweet release at this point.

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Re: Nazi on Trial for 3,600 murders
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2016, 11:58:28 AM »
You know. Eventually there will be no one possibly alive from that era.

Then what are the Nazi Hunter groups going to do?



Start looking for living German supporters of the Nazis.

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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2016, 11:59:06 AM »
Yeah, justice is not just for the victims, but also the criminal.

There is certainly nothing you can do to a 95 year old with dementia that is going to matter.
Even death is just a sweet release at this point.


I mean, the victims or their families may still have some peace knowing that he was at least recognized in his role of killing 3,600 people.

But to hold a trial and possibly send him to prison seems a little out of hand at his age, especially with dementia. Dudes going to sit in the court room and be staring into "space."
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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2016, 12:00:43 PM »
Start looking for living German supporters of the Nazis.

Sounds problematic doesn't it?

I mean, the victims or their families may still have some peace knowing that he was at least recognized in his role of killing 3,600 people.

But to hold a trial and possibly send him to prison seems a little out of hand at his age, especially with dementia. Dudes going to sit in the court room and be staring into "space."

It just seems like a lot of money spent on something with no reasonable outcome now.

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Re: Nazi on Trial for 3,600 murders
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2016, 12:01:05 PM »
You know. Eventually there will be no one possibly alive from that era.

Then what are the Nazi Hunter groups going to do?


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Re: Nazi on Trial for 3,600 murders
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2016, 12:05:09 PM »
Sounds problematic doesn't it?

It just seems like a lot of money spent on something with no reasonable outcome now.

Not if the goal is to make sure people never forget.

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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2016, 12:07:47 PM »
Not if the goal is to make sure people never forget.

You can't just convict people of crimes they didn't commit though.

Do you think the world will allow something like this?

I ask honestly because I just can't imagine.

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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2016, 12:09:49 PM »
Not if the goal is to make sure people never forget.
That's a razors edge there.
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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2016, 12:11:03 PM »
That's a razors edge there.

Exactly.

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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2016, 12:11:16 PM »
You can't just convict people of crimes they didn't commit though.

Do you think the world will allow something like this?

I ask honestly because I just can't imagine.

Yes. I can 100% see someone being tried for supplying gas, pipes, cement, food, tools, etc... to camps and hearing references to Anne Frank forever.

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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2016, 12:13:06 PM »
That's a razors edge there.

It only cuts in one direction.

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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2016, 12:15:01 PM »
It only cuts in one direction.
The wrong direction.
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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2016, 12:17:29 PM »
Yes. I can 100% see someone being tried for supplying gas, pipes, cement, food, tools, etc... to camps and hearing references to Anne Frank forever.

At some point though, all of those people are dead too.

I'm really shocked all of the people aren't dead to be honest.

I mean, how many Nazi's or people who supplied Nazi's during the 30s and 40s are still alive?

My dad was born in 1941 and passed a couple of years ago. There just aren't many left.

You think tens? Hundreds?

I'm sure not thousands.

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Re: Nazi on Trial for 3,600 murders
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2016, 12:18:28 PM »
You know. Eventually there will be no one possibly alive from that era.

Then what are the Nazi Hunter groups going to do?



stolen art, valuables, books, treasures whatever.

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« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2016, 12:20:19 PM »
At some point though, all of those people are dead too.

I'm really shocked all of the people aren't dead to be honest.

I mean, how many Nazi's or people who supplied Nazi's during the 30s and 40s are still alive?

My dad was born in 1941 and passed a couple of years ago. There just aren't many left.

You think tens? Hundreds?

I'm sure not thousands.

It'll never end.