A black James Bond , would it bother you?

[devilsmile]

The inevitable 30 pounds of drug gains he'd inevitably go on would help roughen him up slightly.I see where you are coming from but you don't live in Britain and haven't seen the names banded about.Tom Hiddleston (aka Loki from the avengers and Thor movies) is the current fan favourite, and he comes across to me far weaker than Stevens.Times have moved on, they aren't looking for another macho man like Connery, sans Elba anyway.Flemings vision of Bond is far more akin to Stevens and Hiddleston than it is Connery and Elba.

u said in the beginning that bond was an upper class white male....

bond was a dog trained from childhood to become what he is. he was trained by the best, he followed orders like a good dindu

it's more than being upper class and gaining 30 pounds of muscle with steroids, lol r u kidding me, 30 lbs  . bond was always a macho man, womanizer, egomaniac

the last bond actor was the closest of being perfect to play bond. he was cold, he was very capable physically and he was smart and controlled his women

i can't vision a pretty metrosexual bond, just fucking can't. i don't care what flemings thinks is the best bond, if he thinks metrosexuality is the way to go, he can go fuck himself, he is wrong. can't believe u guys actually want this shit. eldoran is 10 times the bond those two darling boys

[Parker]

Why not a Black Christopher Columbus and Black Amerigo Vespucci discovering The Americas, with all the NorthAmerican Indians being black and the South American indians being White?


Followed by Kim Jong Un playing Marthin Luther King, "I have a Dream! To Destroy SouthKorea!"

Well, Christopher Columbus' Navigator was black (fact!)

[devilsmile]

Well, Christopher Columbus' Navigator was black (fact!)

parker, u agree with me and not army of one who the bond should be, right?

[illuminati]

Why not stick to who the fictious character was written to be.
Next ones will Have to be - Muslim - Chinese - Queer - 1legged
Obese - why not any of them also just so we can keep them happy.

Simple answer write a fictious story & and make the main character
Best suit that Groups identity Needs - Just Leave Bond as he was written.

[visualizeperfection]

Yeah, there are some obstacles to overcome with a black bond though.

First, it's a stretch to imagine a brew employed long enough to make it to "00" status.

Secondly, any bad guy could get him to flip by offering him white women, malt liquor, or season tickets to the Lakers.

Lastly, He'll only make it a few movies into his contract before his untimely death by either AIDS, sickle cell, crack OD or gang violence takes him out.

[Voice of Doom]

I would watch Idris Elba as 007 because he's a fantastic actor.  He has that Connery vibe of being suave and ruthless but with more charm than Daniel Craig.  What's sad is that his portrayal of Bond would be overshadowed by his skin color.  

The Bond series seems to be going down the route that 007 is not a person but a designation...it's how he's been brought into the current time line.  In that respect a black man could play the role because it's a reflection on the changing demographics of England.  

To me, it comes down to the character.  Does Spawn have to be a black to be believable ..yes...it's part of his motivation as a character.  Does Che Guevera have to be latino...yes...it's part of his motivation and fits the context in which he lived.  Does Bond have to be white to be believable.  I don't think so.  I think he has to be English and reflect English politics and motivations in the international order in present day.  If Bond movies are only going to live in the 50s, 60s and 70s...then yes he has to be white.

[Europe]

Yes, because it's Jew brainwash propaganda.

Why not an Arab/Asian/Indian/Australian/Maori/Slavic Bond??

[Skeletor]

Why not stick to who the fictious character was written to be.
Next ones will Have to be - Muslim - Chinese - Queer - 1legged
Obese - why not any of them also just so we can keep them happy.

Simple answer write a fictious story & and make the main character
Best suit that Groups identity Needs - Just Leave Bond as he was written.

Yes. Next they'll complain that Bond should get on with the times and be black, muslim, gay and gender-fluid and so they should have Bond boys along with Bond girls and then you'd have more complaints there are no Bond shemales etc. It will never end.

Elba is a good actor and could play a Bond type character but not James Bond.

[Coffeed]

I'm offended Bond ISN'T black.

At this point he should skip a generation and be Indian.

[Kahn.N.Singh]

Well, Christopher Columbus' Navigator was black (fact!)

Well, that explains it. No wonder they got lost and mistook the Americas for the East Indies.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Although, a James Bond-movie with Melvin Goodrum would be hilarious.

Genre wouldn't be action or thriller though, but comedy / scatporn / documentary

For 8 Inches of Kielbasa More

aka HOMEWRECKER of Peace

Queen Vissy as some sort of Villian

[The Abdominal Snoman]

I think if they ever decide to bring in a "Black" Bond, it will be because they want to end making the James Bond franchise. And much like the American Presidency, what better way to bring down a franchise than to let it all rest on the back of a Brews shoulders...

[Kahn.N.Singh]

That's not how bond was written, I hate how things have to be altered just to please certain groups. If they want a black lead in a spy movie just make a new character.
I think idris Elba would suit that kind of role, he'd probably make a good bond but he doesn't fit the profile.
Same with Blade for example he is black and that's how it should stay, there's no need to mess with existing characters just to avoid upsetting people.

I think if they ever decide to bring in a "Black" Bond, it will be because they want to end making the James Bond franchise. And much like the American Presidency, what better way to bring down a franchise than to let it all rest on the back of a Brews shoulders...

"Indubitably" (said in my best Boston Brahmin accent).

The problem centers on perceived violence towards traditional sources (factual, fictional, and factional) of white identity and pride. More specifically, the issue is an expression of a zero-sum appropriation: e.g., one side stands to gain in the loss of the other, so a gain in black-Bond corresponds to a loss in white-Bond. To use another example, a multicultural sensitivity to black girls feeling racially alienated by white-Annie leads to the creation of the black-Annie adaptation, which strips white girls of the profilmic experience of racially identifying with Annie, who's now black. Being White-British is an integral part of the Bond character (spanning from Fleming's imagination to the character's various iterations in film – at least to those aware of the history) because he's an absolute throwback to English imperial values – of thinking of Britain as superior and civilized – from which he derives his sense of duty and justification for ensuring the British capacity if not to rule, then to stay a Western hegemonic player. It's hard to see how an Elba, who represents the multicultural opposite of a person whose self-interest is to ensure that anachronistic value, can keep the narrative intact – unless you scrub away all that whiteness and rewrite the history. What ought to be desired is a non-zero-sum creation of a black character that can engender feelings of in-group racial pride and out-group admiration, which can serve to launch the new character to lasting success (much like James Bond has done for decades).

[Coffeed]

"Indubitably" (said in my best Boston Brahmin accent).

The problem centers on perceived violence towards traditional sources (factual, fictional, and factional) of white identity and pride. More specifically, the issue is an expression of a zero-sum appropriation: e.g., one side stands to gain in the loss of the other, so a gain in black-Bond corresponds to a loss in white-Bond. To use another example, a multicultural sensitivity to black girls feeling racially alienated by white-Annie leads to the creation of the black-Annie adaptation, which strips white girls of the profilmic experience of racially identifying with Annie, who's now black. Being White-British is an integral part of the Bond character (spanning from Fleming's imagination to the character's various iterations in film – at least to those aware of the history) because he's an absolute throwback to English imperial values – of thinking of Britain as superior and civilized – from which he derives his sense of duty and justification for ensuring the British capacity if not to rule, then to stay a Western hegemonic player. It's hard to see how an Elba, who represents the multicultural opposite of a person whose self-interest is to ensure that anachronistic value, can keep the narrative intact – unless you scrub away all that whiteness and rewrite the history. What ought to be desired is a non-zero-sum creation of a black character that can engender feelings of in-group racial pride and out-group admiration, which can serve to launch the new character to lasting success (much like James Bond has done for decades).

Are you saying that a Bond who derives his sense of worth from Cadillacs and slinging crack is inferior to Whitey Bond?

I think you better recognize.

[FitnessFrenzy]

"Indubitably" (said in my best Boston Brahmin accent).

The problem centers on perceived violence towards traditional sources (factual, fictional, and factional) of white identity and pride. More specifically, the issue is an expression of a zero-sum appropriation: e.g., one side stands to gain in the loss of the other, so a gain in black-Bond corresponds to a loss in white-Bond. To use another example, a multicultural sensitivity to black girls feeling racially alienated by white-Annie leads to the creation of the black-Annie adaptation, which strips white girls of the profilmic experience of racially identifying with Annie, who's now black. Being White-British is an integral part of the Bond character (spanning from Fleming's imagination to the character's various iterations in film – at least to those aware of the history) because he's an absolute throwback to English imperial values – of thinking of Britain as superior and civilized – from which he derives his sense of duty and justification for ensuring the British capacity if not to rule, then to stay a Western hegemonic player. It's hard to see how an Elba, who represents the multicultural opposite of a person whose self-interest is to ensure that anachronistic value, can keep the narrative intact – unless you scrub away all that whiteness and rewrite the history. What ought to be desired is a non-zero-sum creation of a black character that can engender feelings of in-group racial pride and out-group admiration, which can serve to launch the new character to lasting success (much like James Bond has done for decades).

[Papper]

Just lol at Bond being black

If they redo Live and let die, should bond join in and dance with the voodo people as well

[Yamcha]

Purple drank... shaken, not stirred

[drkaje]

"Indubitably" (said in my best Boston Brahmin accent).

The problem centers on perceived violence towards traditional sources (factual, fictional, and factional) of white identity and pride. More specifically, the issue is an expression of a zero-sum appropriation: e.g., one side stands to gain in the loss of the other, so a gain in black-Bond corresponds to a loss in white-Bond. To use another example, a multicultural sensitivity to black girls feeling racially alienated by white-Annie leads to the creation of the black-Annie adaptation, which strips white girls of the profilmic experience of racially identifying with Annie, who's now black. Being White-British is an integral part of the Bond character (spanning from Fleming's imagination to the character's various iterations in film – at least to those aware of the history) because he's an absolute throwback to English imperial values – of thinking of Britain as superior and civilized – from which he derives his sense of duty and justification for ensuring the British capacity if not to rule, then to stay a Western hegemonic player. It's hard to see how an Elba, who represents the multicultural opposite of a person whose self-interest is to ensure that anachronistic value, can keep the narrative intact – unless you scrub away all that whiteness and rewrite the history. What ought to be desired is a non-zero-sum creation of a black character that can engender feelings of in-group racial pride and out-group admiration, which can serve to launch the new character to lasting success (much like James Bond has done for decades).

Interesting opinion.

The opinion's author is basically arguing that Americans concerned about Bond's race never understood the character.

[Kwon_2]

Just lol at Bond being black

If they redo Live and let die, should bond join in and dance with the voodo people as well

Haha yes...

[Al Doggity]

"Indubitably" (said in my best Boston Brahmin accent).

The problem centers on perceived violence towards traditional sources (factual, fictional, and factional) of white identity and pride. More specifically, the issue is an expression of a zero-sum appropriation: e.g., one side stands to gain in the loss of the other, so a gain in black-Bond corresponds to a loss in white-Bond. To use another example, a multicultural sensitivity to black girls feeling racially alienated by white-Annie leads to the creation of the black-Annie adaptation, which strips white girls of the profilmic experience of racially identifying with Annie, who's now black. Being White-British is an integral part of the Bond character (spanning from Fleming's imagination to the character's various iterations in film – at least to those aware of the history) because he's an absolute throwback to English imperial values – of thinking of Britain as superior and civilized – from which he derives his sense of duty and justification for ensuring the British capacity if not to rule, then to stay a Western hegemonic player. It's hard to see how an Elba, who represents the multicultural opposite of a person whose self-interest is to ensure that anachronistic value, can keep the narrative intact – unless you scrub away all that whiteness and rewrite the history. What ought to be desired is a non-zero-sum creation of a black character that can engender feelings of in-group racial pride and out-group admiration, which can serve to launch the new character to lasting success (much like James Bond has done for decades).

You can't really make an argument for "zero-sum appropriation" about a mainstream hit film franchise run by a mainstream studio meant to appeal to mainstream audiences. The things you mentioned AREN'T integral to the James Bond narrative because you can enjoy the films without even considering them (the majority of people who view James Bond films likely don't) and if you do consider them, you won't even necessarily agree with them.  

[Kahn.N.Singh]

Interesting opinion.

The opinion's author is basically arguing that Americans concerned about Bond's race never understood the character.

Yours is not an interesting opinion, and a poor reading of the post. My post is directly in response to concerns expressed by Hench and TAS. It then offers a possible framework to understand dissatisfaction over the racial overhaul of the Bond character, which would be filled by a black actor. It's a plausible theory.

[Kahn.N.Singh]

You can't really make an argument for "zero-sum appropriation" about a mainstream hit film franchise run by a mainstream studio meant to appeal to mainstream audiences. The things you mentioned AREN'T integral to the James Bond narrative because you can enjoy the films without even considering them (the majority of people who view James Bond films likely don't) and if you do consider them, you won't even necessarily agree with them.  

One can certainly posit the zero-sum theory. Do you believe that the mainstream film industry is as pellucid as not to be a part of the hegemonikon mind? Moreover, you seem to agree with my suggestion that a non-zero-sum creation (with diverse appeal) would prove more successful and lasting. Bond is white, encoded with all of the symbols and contradictions which inheres to British whiteness, and, yet, also transcends that encoding by alluring to non-white, non-Brits.

OK. Gotta go. Maybe I'll check back in late tonight or tomorrow.

[El Diablo Blanco]

They would have to rename him LeJames Bond

[drkaje]

One can certainly posit the zero-sum theory. Do you believe that the mainstream film industry is as pellucid as to not be a part of the hegemonikon mind? Moreover, you seem to agree with my suggestion that a non-zero-sum creation (with diverse appeal) would prove more successful and lasting. Bond is white, encoded with all of the symbols and contradictions which inheres to British whiteness, and, yet, also transcends that encoding by alluring to non-white, non-Brits.

OK. Gotta go. Maybe I'll check back in late tonight or tomorrow.

Aside from skin colour; do you think there's much reason for an American white desire to identify strongly with Brits?

[Pet shop boys]

But James Bond was a white middle\upper class gentleman

Not really, The character was inspired in a Dominican playboy spy,car racer,polo player in the 50's who dated the highest ranked women of the era.


Porfirio Rubirosa.


WoooSHHHHHHHH