RIP - Dallas McCarver - 08-22-17

[Dave D]

A god wouldn't have to justify anything
Only by that reckoning there would be no right & wrong
As there isn't in animals

Also who is to say god / creator is a he.

Exactly. To all of it.

But your argument is that there is no God because the world is so corrupt. :/

So because we have right and wrong there is a God? Or are "morals" strictly  a man made construction.

Animals have hierarchy but no real structure like mankind.

[NarcissisticDeity]

For those of your struggling with the recent deaths I'll leave you this.

[Simple Simon]

Exactly. To all of it.

But your argument is that there is no God because the world is so corrupt. :/

So because we have right and wrong there is a God? Or are "morals" strictly  a man made construction.

Animals have hierarchy but no real structure like mankind.

the reason man created God is because of his ego, he simply cannot accept that he's just an animal like all the others on the planet.

[Man of Steel]

man doesn't have choices, we did all this before. God makes choices, not man

So you're a believer in Jesus Christ now?

[Man of Steel]

You come across as a very decent honourable man

We have discussed 'god' before.

Though I'm a non believer I respect your decision to believe.

Far to many contradictions & things that are plain wrong going on in the world
For there to be an almighty all seeing creator.

I respect that position.

[Simple Simon]

So you're a believer in Jesus Christ now?

what has Jesus Christ got to do with the existence of a God?

[Man of Steel]

what has Jesus Christ got to do with the existence of a God?

Well Jesus Christ is God, but that's a different topic.

Again, you're a believer in Jesus Christ now.....a repentant Christian man?

[Dave D]

the reason man created God is because of his ego, he simply cannot accept that he's just an animal like all the others on the planet.

You may be right.  But like "God" it's only a theory that can't be proven until you're dead.

[Bulgarian_enforcer]

A god wouldn't have to justify anything
Only by that reckoning there would be no right & wrong
As there isn't in animals

Also who is to say god / creator is a he.

illuminati dude got it right. we are just animals in our instincts and goals. moral code (e.g. right and wrong) is created by humans.

Humans preaching moral code cannot be moral per se. so it is a paradox, cause it is not moral to preach moral, lol.

so in the end we just have hope in seeking knowledge and power.

[Simple Simon]

You may be right.  But like "God" it's only a theory that can't be proven until you're dead.

if there isn't a God, when you die you won't be any the wiser, so no, it won't make any difference.

[Bulgarian_enforcer]

Well Jesus Christ is God, but that's a different topic.

Again, you're a believer in Jesus Christ now.....a repentant Christian man?

 do you really believe marry was a virgin, lol?

[Man of Steel]

do you really believe marry was a virgin, lol?

Yes, I believe that Mary the mother Jesus was a virgin girl when she became pregnant with him.

[Simple Simon]

Well Jesus Christ is God, but that's a different topic.

Again, you're a believer in Jesus Christ now.....a repentant Christian man?

No he isn't, Jesus Christ was a bloke who lived 2000 years ago, I thought everyone knew that.

This guy was the same as Jesus, its just people told him to fuck off rather than nail him on a cross for his stupidity

[Simple Simon]

Yes, I believe that Mary the mother Jesus was a virgin girl when she became pregnant with him.

how cryptic...
I sense you are now trolling...

[Man of Steel]

No he isn't, Jesus Christ was a bloke who lived 2000 years ago, I thought everyone knew that.

This guy was the same as Jesus, its just people told him to fuck off rather than nail him on a cross for his stupidity

So that answers my question.  You do not believe in Jesus Christ and are not a Christian man.

Well, how can that be if we have no choice?   

Since God makes all choices and he desires for us to come to him in faithful repentance then we're all automatically forced to be Christians.

Yet here you are an unbeliever.

[Man of Steel]

how cryptic...
I sense you are now trolling...

Why cryptic?  Why trolling?

[Dave D]

if there isn't a God, when you die you won't be any the wiser, so no, it won't make any difference.

Very true. But if there is you'll know it and it will make a difference.

Your BUT here is just as big as mine.

Again I'm fine if you don't believe in my God or a higher power. I can understand why someone would feel that way.

But you can't say there's no God because you dont agree with how corrupt and unjust the world is.

[Simple Simon]

Very true. But if there is you'll know it and it will make a difference.

Your BUT here is just as big as mine.

Again I'm fine if you don't believe in my God or a higher power. I can understand why someone would feel that way.

But you can't say there's no God because you dont agree with how corrupt and unjust the world is.

No, but I can say there is no God because there is no evidence of his/her/its existence.

The burden of proof lies with he who affirms...

[Man of Steel]

No, but I can say there is no God because there is no evidence of his/her/its existence.

The burden of proof lies with he who affirms...

There's an abundance of riches as it pertains to evidence.  Problem is evidence must be followed and you deny all evidence and refuse to follow it.

[Simple Simon]

There's an abundance of riches as it pertains to evidence.  Problem is evidence must be followed and you deny all evidence and refuse to follow it.

Nope, no evidence whatsoever..

[Man of Steel]

Nope, no evidence whatsoever..

Clearly you are ignorant on this topic.

[Rudee]

Very true. But if there is you'll know it and it will make a difference.

Your BUT here is just as big as mine.

Again I'm fine if you don't believe in my God or a higher power. I can understand why someone would feel that way.

But you can't say there's no God because you dont agree with how corrupt and unjust the world is.

If you believe in God, you have chosen to reject Allah, Vishnu, Budda, Waheguru and all of the thousands of other gods that other people worship today. It is quite likely that you rejected these other gods without ever looking into their religions or reading their books. You simply absorbed the dominant faith in your home or in the society you grew up in.  A rational person rejects all human gods equally, because all of them are equally imaginary.

https://godisimaginary.com

[Dave D]

No, but I can say there is no God because there is no evidence of his/her/its existence.

The burden of proof lies with he who affirms...

I understand your point but you've missed mine completely.  

Your contention isn't that God doesn't exist because the world is broken its that there is no evidence of God.

Just out of curiosity what type of proof  would you require,  a knock at your door or a handshake introduction?

[illuminati]

I understand your point but you've missed mine completely.  

Your contention isn't that God doesn't exist because the world is broken its that there is no evidence of God.

Just out of curiosity what type of proof  would you require,  a knock at your door or a handshake introduction?

A semblance of caring & stopping the awful things that are done to one another on this planet
And by members of his church to children

Any kind of striking them down with hellfire & brimstone would be nice to start with
Some actual physical observable action only an all mighty creator could perform.

[Dave D]

If you believe in God, you have chosen to reject Allah, Vishnu, Budda, Waheguru and all of the thousands of other gods that other people worship today. It is quite likely that you rejected these other gods without ever looking into their religions or reading their books. You simply absorbed the dominant faith in your home or in the society you grew up in.  A rational person rejects all human gods equally, because all of them are equally imaginary.

https://godisimaginary.com

Fair enough but that wasn't my argument.

You create a paradox with your statement, you likely didn't develop this thought based on your research of all belief systems so you're in the same boat you accuse me of being in, no one can know anything unless they know everything, unless someone knows the real God then there is no need to seek out any others.  

If you marry the right person, have the right job, etc you're not going to spend your life wondering about the 6 billion other options.