PDI PRO Qualifier Aug 11-12, 2006 - Orlando, FL

[onlyme]

God I sure am happy Dennis Newman doesn't come on here.  Can you imagine what Shawn would say about him.  Shawn is such a good Christian.  Jeez give it up.  Your half-assed attempt to make all the shit you've done to people in the past by having a charity golf tournament is just that half-assed.

Son, a golf tournament won't help your karma.  The good thing about the internet is that it exposes people like you who have the image when the camera is on and then the real one when the camera is off.  You have the image of a rip-off, cheap ass and back stabber and you always will no matter how low your golf score gets.  Now please post another fat picture.  They are getting very amusing.  But no matter what I can sleep with a good conscience and the fact I didn't let my mom spend years in prison because I was a scumbag drug dealer.  You give the illusion to people you make allot from BB when in fact those fancy cars and whatever else you got was from drug money.  God you are a great role model, son, father and tranny lover.  How could you not brag about your past, it was so nice.

[Al-Gebra]

This may be declared a 'meltdown' but here goes...

If any of you guys attend shows you would see that Chick is one of the coolest guys out, and does represent the bodybuilding community well. No matter where he is, having breakfast, walking down the hotel corridor... whatever...the guy will take the time to speak to anyone and everyone about bodybuilding. He is always friendly and personable while some other of the pros act like they are the next coming of Christ. The fact that he even posts on this board should somewhat attest to that. While most pros would not dare dream of posting here [under their real name I might add] cause they don't want to hear the shit, Chick just keeps on posting while being flamed to death.

Let the 'meltdown' posts begin

So when did you and Chick have breakfast together?

[Spicy Shushi]

God I sure am happy Dennis Newman doesn't come on here.  Can you imagine what Shawn would say about him.  Shawn is such a good Christian.  Jeez give it up.  Your half-assed attempt to make all the shit you've done to people in the past by having a charity golf tournament is just that half-assed.  Is this something you talk about at dinner while you talk about how you back stab your friends, of course the mom go to jail thing, drug dealing, off the wall sex shit with trannies and getting pissed on by girls.  Son, a golf tournament won't help your karma.  The good thing about the internet is that it exposes people like you who have the image when the camera is on and then the real one when the camera is off.  You have the image of a rip-off, cheap ass and back stabber and you always will no matter how low your golf score gets.  Now please post another fat picture.  They are getting very amusing.  But no matter what I can sleep with a good conscience and the fact I didn't let my mom spend years in prison because I was a scumbag drug dealer.  You give the illusion to people you make allot from BB when in fact those fancy cars and whatever else you got was from drug money.  God you are a great role model, son, father and tranny lover.  How could you not brag about your past, it was so nice.

Yo meltdown - show some respect

[Ron]

Well - well - well - first of all - OnlyMe and Shawn - you two are hitting below the belt - both of you have been in the industry a while, so discuss the facts objectively, not resorting to some baseless pics and attacks (or if you want to, show the pic once, not on every thread).

Second of all, I am amazed the the Orlando Pro promoter would be allowed to promote anything. He needs to pay the athletes that he owes money first and foremost. No doubt about it.

The Pittsburgh show has been around for a long time, and although no one was walking about it then, the fact that you would have two IFBB Pro shows (at the same weekend, different types of competition) is still amazing. But the IFBB and the NPC knew about this, and Wayne was involved in this, when they scheduled it, and they didn't see a problem?

Most supplement companies, on a big show, have one crew to go out there. If you schedule two events on the same weekend, which will the sponsors go to. It is a tough decision, and if I was a sponsor, would I miss Jim Manion's Pittsburgh show over an untested show. Probably not, especially if I had been going there every year.

Local NPC shows can happen on the same weekend. It is tough, for we sponsor the local NPC California shows, yet sometimes the Orange County Muscle Classic is on the same weekend as the Emerald Cup. Yes, choices have to be made.

But the promoter of the Orlando Pro show knew about this, and he chose to promte the show. I hope that with any money he make make from the PDI show, that he will keep the promises that he made to me (and I did talk to him about it last year) and will pay off the athletes that he owes. If not, then we will hound him until he makes good on it.

[onlyme]

Well - well - well - first of all - OnlyMe and Shawn - you two are hitting below the belt - both of you have been in the industry a while, so discuss the facts objectively, not resorting to some baseless pics and attacks (or if you want to, show the pic once, not on every thread).

Second of all, I am amazed the the Orlando Pro promoter would be allowed to promote anything. He needs to pay the athletes that he owes money first and foremost. No doubt about it.

The Pittsburgh show has been around for a long time, and although no one was walking about it then, the fact that you would have two IFBB Pro shows (at the same weekend, different types of competition) is still amazing. But the IFBB and the NPC knew about this, and Wayne was involved in this, when they scheduled it, and they didn't see a problem?

Most supplement companies, on a big show, have one crew to go out there. If you schedule two events on the same weekend, which will the sponsors go to. It is a tough decision, and if I was a sponsor, would I miss Jim Manion's Pittsburgh show over an untested show. Probably not, especially if I had been going there every year.

Local NPC shows can happen on the same weekend. It is tough, for we sponsor the local NPC California shows, yet sometimes the Orange County Muscle Classic is on the same weekend as the Emerald Cup. Yes, choices have to be made.

But the promoter of the Orlando Pro show knew about this, and he chose to promte the show. I hope that with any money he make make from the PDI show, that he will keep the promises that he made to me (and I did talk to him about it last year) and will pay off the athletes that he owes. If not, then we will hound him until he makes good on it.

Wayne has told me that the promoter said he will use whatever money is made for the amatuer show through tcket sales, entry fee, etc will be used to pay off the past competitors.  But also, why hasn't Ben Weider or the IFBB paid Darrem and then go after the promoter.  This should have been done if the IFBB was looking out for its athletes.  They could have easily sued the promoter and got the money back.  But they showed no support for the athlete.

IN SAG if you don't get paid they are in your corner with legal advice and everything else it takes to get your money.  This is called support for the members

[jwb]

Wayne has told me that the promoter said he will use whatever money is made for the amatuer show through tcket sales, entry fee, etc will be used to pay off the past competitors. 

Man that's a funny one... the PDI putting on a show to give money to IFBB athletes... wouldn't hold my breathe

[bigdumbbell]

Well - well - well - first of all - OnlyMe and Shawn - you two are hitting below the belt - both of you have been in the industry a while, so discuss the facts objectively, not resorting to some baseless pics and attacks (or if you want to, show the pic once, not on every thread).

Second of all, I am amazed the the Orlando Pro promoter would be allowed to promote anything. He needs to pay the athletes that he owes money first and foremost. No doubt about it.

The Pittsburgh show has been around for a long time, and although no one was walking about it then, the fact that you would have two IFBB Pro shows (at the same weekend, different types of competition) is still amazing. But the IFBB and the NPC knew about this, and Wayne was involved in this, when they scheduled it, and they didn't see a problem?

Most supplement companies, on a big show, have one crew to go out there. If you schedule two events on the same weekend, which will the sponsors go to. It is a tough decision, and if I was a sponsor, would I miss Jim Manion's Pittsburgh show over an untested show. Probably not, especially if I had been going there every year.

Local NPC shows can happen on the same weekend. It is tough, for we sponsor the local NPC California shows, yet sometimes the Orange County Muscle Classic is on the same weekend as the Emerald Cup. Yes, choices have to be made.

But the promoter of the Orlando Pro show knew about this, and he chose to promte the show. I hope that with any money he make make from the PDI show, that he will keep the promises that he made to me (and I did talk to him about it last year) and will pay off the athletes that he owes. If not, then we will hound him until he makes good on it.

and you expect a rational, mature, objective discussion for an adult juvenile shawn ray?  LOL

[Shawn Ray]

Dooooooooooooooo

[Lift Studios]

Wayne has told me that the promoter said he will use whatever money is made for the amatuer show through tcket sales, entry fee, etc will be used to pay off the past competitors.  But also, why hasn't Ben Weider or the IFBB paid Darrem and then go after the promoter.  This should have been done if the IFBB was looking out for its athletes.  They could have easily sued the promoter and got the money back.  But they showed no support for the athlete.

IN SAG if you don't get paid they are in your corner with legal advice and everything else it takes to get your money.  This is called support for the members

We all know this isn't even remotely close to SAG. It's more then just Darrem that is owed money. Payment should have come from the promoter. End of story - nice try on passing the buck back on the IFBB though. What about the point of this individual having a clothing business - surely he makes enough income off that to pay off his debt. 2 years and these guys still haven't been paid? No excuse can justify that.

You really do feel wronged by the IFBB and NPC don't you Kieth? What's the date of your PDI show?

[analcandy]

well known name on the message boards= $0
signing a PDI contract= $0
30,000 hits on website=$0

Doing your job? Just what is your job anyway...?

OUCH.

[LuciusFox]

It is a good thing that the Atletes Rep managed to put in place guarentees by the IFBB so this can't ever happen again.  Sorry I can't remember the name of the Athletes Rep right now, can you Keith? 

  God bless Bob.

[onlyme]

It is a good thing that the Atletes Rep managed to put in place guarentees by the IFBB so this can't ever happen again.  Sorry I can't remember the name of the Athletes Rep right now, can you Keith? 

Boy I know Chic is your boyfriend but do really think he was the one who convinced the IFBB to guarantee prize money.  Are you that fucking stupid and ignorant.  You can idolize Chic all you want but do you think he has any power whatsoever to command an organization 40+ years old to all of a sudden guarantee payment.  Are you truly that fucking stupid. 

Jesus, Chic is a nice guy but he is not remotely close to having power like that.  I have a funny feeling you and Lift Pud are related, the same person or just gay lovers or something.  You two are almost alike.  get over it.  You don't think the PDI will succeed fine.  You support an organization that has the reputation of ripping off their members and not supporting them.  Good you made your choice.  It shows your character and your mindset.  The majorityof the BB do not like the IFBB but put up with it cause it WAS the only game in town.  Well no longer are they the only game in town.  SO either the IFBB better straighten up or they will lose.  See I have my reason not to like who I don't like, I have had my own experiences with them. 

So I have a right to say what I want about them.  You have never had a dealing with the PDI.  What all the negativity shows against the PDI is that you are scared it could be a success.  That is a fact.  If not you wouldn't say a thing.  And you should be scared, cause what the PDI has planned is 100 times better than what the IFBB offers.  Flat and Simple. 

[Lift Studios]

Boy I know Chic is your boyfriend but do really think he was the one who convinced the IFBB to guarantee prize money.  Are you that fucking stupid and ignorant.  You can idolize Chic all you want but do you think he has any power whatsoever to command an organization 40+ years old to all of a sudden guarantee payment.  Are you truly that fucking stupid.  Jesus, Chic is a nice guy but he is not remotely close to having power like that.  I have a funny feeling you and Lift Pud are related, the same person or just gay lovers or something.  You two are almost alike.  get over it.  You don't think the PDI will succeed fine.  You support an organization that has the reputation of ripping off their members and not supporting them.  Good you made your choice.  It shows your character and your mindset.  The majorityof the BB do not like the IFBB but put up with it cause it WAS the only game in town.  Well no longer are they the only game in town.  SO either the IFBB better straighten up or they will lose.  See I have my reason not to like who I don't like, I have had my own experiences with them.  So I have a right to say what I want about them.  You have never had a dealing with the PDI.  What all the negativity shows against the PDI is that you are scared it could be a success.  That is a fact.  If not you wouldn't say a thing.  And you should be scared, cause what the PDI has planned is 100 times better than what the IFBB offers.  Flat and Simple. 

Kieth you tropical fruit loop, it appears you need some help. May I suggest:

[CQ]

Boy I know Chic is your boyfriend but do really think he was the one who convinced the IFBB to guarantee prize money.  Are you that fucking stupid and ignorant.  You can idolize Chic all you want but do you think he has any power whatsoever to command an organization 40+ years old to all of a sudden guarantee payment.  Are you truly that fucking stupid.  Jesus, Chic is a nice guy but he is not remotely close to having power like that.  I have a funny feeling you and Lift Pud are related, the same person or just gay lovers or something.  You two are almost alike.  get over it.  You don't think the PDI will succeed fine.  You support an organization that has the reputation of ripping off their members and not supporting them.  Good you made your choice.  It shows your character and your mindset.  The majorityof the BB do not like the IFBB but put up with it cause it WAS the only game in town.  Well no longer are they the only game in town.  SO either the IFBB better straighten up or they will lose.  See I have my reason not to like who I don't like, I have had my own experiences with them.  So I have a right to say what I want about them.  You have never had a dealing with the PDI.  What all the negativity shows against the PDI is that you are scared it could be a success.  That is a fact.  If not you wouldn't say a thing.  And you should be scared, cause what the PDI has planned is 100 times better than what the IFBB offers.  Flat and Simple. 

All she said was that the athletes rep got the prize purse guaranteed

[Chick]

Boy I know Chic is your boyfriend but do really think he was the one who convinced the IFBB to guarantee prize money.  Are you that fucking stupid and ignorant.  You can idolize Chic all you want but do you think he has any power whatsoever to command an organization 40+ years old to all of a sudden guarantee payment.  Are you truly that fucking stupid.  Jesus, Chic is a nice guy but he is not remotely close to having power like that.  I have a funny feeling you and Lift Pud are related, the same person or just gay lovers or something.  You two are almost alike.  get over it.  You don't think the PDI will succeed fine.  You support an organization that has the reputation of ripping off their members and not supporting them.  Good you made your choice.  It shows your character and your mindset.  The majorityof the BB do not like the IFBB but put up with it cause it WAS the only game in town.  Well no longer are they the only game in town.  SO either the IFBB better straighten up or they will lose.  See I have my reason not to like who I don't like, I have had my own experiences with them.  So I have a right to say what I want about them.  You have never had a dealing with the PDI.  What all the negativity shows against the PDI is that you are scared it could be a success.  That is a fact.  If not you wouldn't say a thing.  And you should be scared, cause what the PDI has planned is 100 times better than what the IFBB offers.  Flat and Simple. 

Pursuant to Article 3.7 of the IFBB Professional Rules (2005 Edition), the IFBB Professional Division, held their annual meeting at the Orleans Hotel, Mardi Gras Room, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA, on Wednesday, October 12, 2005. The following officials were present:

Mr. Jim Manion   Chairman of the IFBB Professional Division.
Mr. Jim Rockell   Professional Division Management Team, Men’s Representative
Mr. Rob Wilkins   Professional Division Management Team, Athlete Liaison (The Americas)
Mr. Pawel Filleburn   Professional Division Management Team, Athlete Liaison (Europe)
Mr. Peter McGough   Professional Division Management Team, Media Representative
Mr. Steve Weinberger   Professional Division Management Team, Promoter Representative
Ms. Betty Pariso   Professional Division Management Team, Women’s Bodybuilding Rep
Ms. Adela Garcia   Professional Division Management Team, Fitness Athlete Rep
Mr. Bob Cicherillo   Professional Division Management Team, Male Athlete Rep
Ms. Jenny Lynn   Professional Division Management Team, Figure Athlete Rep
*Mr. Asher Frig   Professional Division Judge
*Mr. Matt Crane   Professional Division Judge
*Mr. Jon Lindsay   Professional Division Promoter
*Mr. Steve O’Brian   Professional Division Judge/Promoter
*Mr. Gary Udit   Professional Division Judge/Promoter
*Mr. John Tuman   Professional Division Judge/Promoter
*Mr. Joe Palumbo   Professional Division Expeditor
*Mr. Matt Bristol   Professional Division Expeditor
*Mr. Bill Tierney   Professional Division Judge
*Ms. Wanda Tierney   Professional Division Judge
*Mrs. Amy Wilkins   Professional Division Expeditor/recorder of minutes
*Observer, no vote

I.  CALL TO ORDER

Mr. Manion welcomed and called the meeting to order at 4:00 p.m.

II.  AGENDA ITEMS

Women’s Bodybuilding    No Proposals    Betty Pariso
Fitness       No Proposals    Adela Garcia
Figure     No Proposals   Jenny Lynn
Men’s Bodybuilding   Eight Proposals    Bob Cicherillo

The following items were proposed and voted upon by members of the IFBB Professional Division Management Team:   

A. For all IFBB Pro competitions, a bodybuilder from Italy proposed having two weight classes; under 200 pounds and over 200 pounds. 

            Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote:  Motion was denied.

B. Upon the promoters approval, request registered IFBB Pro’s receive two free tickets to all IFBB sanctioned shows upon presentation of current IFBB Pro card.

          In regards to this proposal, the following items were discussed:

      - IFBB Pro’s must contact the promoter and request the tickets at least two weeks 
         prior to the competition date.
      - Must act accordingly
      - The tickets will be designated by the promoter.
      - IFBB Pro’s may be asked to participate and present trophy during competition.

Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote:  Motion was accepted.

C.  Recommend the IFBB guarantee’s purses for IFBB sanctioned competitions.  Mr. Manion informed group that from this point forward, if a promoter did not pay the purse, he (Mr. Manion) would take on this expense and make all payments.   

Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote:  Motion was accepted.

D.  Recommend all official information related to IFBB competitions be added and updated accordingly on the official site of the IFBB, www.ifbb.com/Pro Division.  Mr. Tony Blinn is the webmaster for the site and all information related to competitions will be sent to him in a timely manner so he can post it.

Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote:  Motion was accepted.

E.  Recommend judges individual scores to be made public after completion of contest.

- An IFBB judge will e-mail or fax scores to Tony Blinn to be posted on website. 

Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote:  Motion was accepted.

F. Recommend current IFBB scoring format be replaced by NPC system of scoring and/or amended, specifically the posing round.

-Eliminate posing round except for entertainment value.
-All registered male and female bodybuilding athletes must vote.  Registered athletes will be contacted by their respective athlete rep.  Please send vote responses to respective reps by 15 Dec 05. 
-Optional for the promoter to provide prize money or a trophy.

Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote:  Motion was accepted however, awaiting voting results from registered athletes (Item Open).

G.  Recommend a mandatory number of athletes (4 – 6) be provided free airfare/hotel costs by the promoter.

 - This item is left to the discretion of each promoter.

Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote:  Motion was denied.

H.  Recommend Olympia qualifying placing to extend to next highest placing athletes in the event of athletes already being qualified in the top three.

- If top three are already qualified for the Olympia, then the fourth place will winner will qualify for the Olympia.
- If the top four have already qualified for the Olympia, no additional qualifications will be permitted.

Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote:  Motion was accepted.

I.  Recommend purse of IFBB sanctioned shows to have a mandatory increase of 10% of total purse, every third year of shows existence (applicable to shows with total purse under 50K).  Shows with 50K + purse to increase 5% every third year.

- Promoters will try to increase prize money when possible however, they strongly disagree with being mandated to increase the prize money.

Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote:  Motion was denied.

III. CLOSING COMMENTS:

- In regards to registered IFBB athletes competing and/or providing seminars to other organizations, the following rule from the IFBB Professional Rules (2005 Edition), will be enforced: 

      14.9 Non-sanctioned Events:
Any IFBB professional athlete, judge or official who participates at a competition or event not approved or sanctioned by the IFBB may be fined, suspended or expelled. Participation shall include, but shall not be limited to, competing, guest posing, giving a seminar, lecture or similar presentation, judging, officiating and/or taking part in a non-IFBB sanctioned competition or event in any other way, shape, or form.

- IFBB registered athletes interested in serving as athlete reps for 2006 should contact Mr. Manion by 1 December 2005 at: 



IFBB Professional Division
P.O. Box 3224
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15230
USA
Toll Free: 1-866-304-4322
Tel: (412) 276-5027
Fax: (412) 281-0470
E-mail: ifbbprodivision@aol.com

After reviewing the list on candidates, the IFBB Pro Division Office will send out a ballot (via e-mail) for registered athletes to select their choice to serve as the athlete rep.  The voting period is 9 – 21 Dec 05.  After all the ballots have been counted, those elected athlete reps will be notified by Mr. Manion during the last week of December ’05 and begin their duties on 1 Jan 06.

ADJOURNMENT

After reviewing and voting on all the agenda items, the IFBB Professional Division, meeting was adjourned at 5:00 p.m.

[Lift Studios]

Wow don't ask questions about the PDI.  How can you say in many threads about what Bob hasn't done and then in this one (between the profanity) that he has no power to make any changes. 
btw I never attacked you...EVER!

Mr. Onlyme is "confused" hence his anger and hostility, with his new addition - gay bashing. You know since we are gay lovers, Ms. NiceRacq.

Let it go big guy. Just when we think you can't talk out of your ass any more you show up and do it yet again.

[RHINO290]

I am more interested in hearing about the meeting that went on @ the Arnold classic?

And don't say what meeting.......

[240 is Back]

because some of the claims he's made are totally unsubstantiated.

Like?  I'm 4/4 with name anonuncements so far.  Please list what statements I've made so far which have come up false?

[240 is Back]

Okay.  I post pieces that I have been given permission to share.  I know more that I cannot share, and I don't claim to know it all.  I'm just like anyone else- helping the PDI grow so the IFBB treats their guys right.

When BBers do well, the sport does well, and I sell more sites

I don't wish the IFBB to crash, but I do wish they'd judge fairly and pay better.  how can Gustavo take 3rd at the O after NOT RECEIVING A COMPARISON with either Jay or Ronnie?   AND, after winning the challenge round?  It's unfair.

[Insider XYZ]

We all know this isn't even remotely close to SAG. It's more then just Darrem that is owed money. Payment should have come from the promoter. End of story - nice try on passing the buck back on the IFBB though. What about the point of this individual having a clothing business - surely he makes enough income off that to pay off his debt. 2 years and these guys still haven't been paid? No excuse can justify that.

Isaac, please stop speaking matter of factly on things that you have absolutely no idea about.

I am amazed the the Orlando Pro promoter would be allowed to promote anything. He needs to pay the athletes that he owes money first and foremost. No doubt about it.

The Pittsburgh show has been around for a long time, and although no one was walking about it then, the fact that you would have two IFBB Pro shows (at the same weekend, different types of competition) is still amazing. But the IFBB and the NPC knew about this, and Wayne was involved in this, when they scheduled it, and they didn't see a problem?

Most supplement companies, on a big show, have one crew to go out there. If you schedule two events on the same weekend, which will the sponsors go to. It is a tough decision, and if I was a sponsor, would I miss Jim Manion's Pittsburgh show over an untested show. Probably not, especially if I had been going there every year.

But the promoter of the Orlando Pro show knew about this, and he chose to promte the show. I hope that with any money he make make from the PDI show, that he will keep the promises that he made to me (and I did talk to him about it last year) and will pay off the athletes that he owes. If not, then we will hound him until he makes good on it.

All of the details surrounding the entire issue will be coming to light very soon, this I guarantee. They have been oppressed up until know for various reasons. Stay tuned....

[Lift Studios]

Isaac, please stop speaking matter of factly on things that you have absolutely no idea about.

I am well aware that the athletes still haven't been paid and this promoter is responsible for paying them. 2 years without paying the athletes. Oh what there is more to it then his obligation to pay the competitors? It speaks to his character and now the PDI's character that he is their first show promoter.

That's not top secret information and is pretty much matter of fact as it gets. How can you dispute that?

[Lift Studios]

Okay good he now covers the prize money.  A little late but it is done now and good job Chic.  Getting a little tiresome arguing with idiots like Lift Pud and now Nice Rag.  You guys hang with the IFBB who has the reputation and history of not supporting the BB's and actually going in reverse rather than forward in progression.  There are how many IFBB competitions 3 maybe 4 or 5 a year.  Only the top 5 to 8 make any real money from actual competition.  The majority of the registered IFBB pros don't even compete or they compete only once a year.  No short person will ever win a major contest. The judging has been known to be shady for many years. 

The PDI has no history, yet you bash it everyday.  I know you can be loyal to something but at sometime you have to realize you are supporting something that is going nowhere.  The biggest BB show in history is the biggest BB joke in history at the same time.  Are you proud of that too.  I give up arguing with you I will go ahead and support Wayne cause at least he is doing something positive.  I can't stand being negative and you guys make me very negative.  Go ahead make fun of me on how big I am now.  Thats all the ammo you guys got. But like my therapist always told me.  "Keith it's better to be a has been than a never will be."  hehe I love that line.

Damn Keith you really do have your head up your ass as of late. Maybe all that sunning you are doing is frying your brain.

There are how many IFBB competitions 3 maybe 4 or 5 a year.

What rock have you been living under?

Only the top 5 to 8 make any real money from actual competition.

Are you claiming that in the PDI the competitors out of the top 8 will make any "real money"? What organization is going to pay a 15th place guy "real money" - hey you showed up and we'll overlook the fact that you suck but here's 10 grand. Paaahlllease.

No short person will ever win a major contest.

WTF - again are you living in a f'n cave? Um ya Keith I'm going to have to ask you to stop talking out of your ass, yet again. Last I checked, your newly appointed golden boy of the PDI is no frickin tower and just won the IRONMAN.

The PDI has no history, yet you bash it everyday.

How is it bashed? By asking questions and stating the obvious? Are Lee and Vince good competitors - yes and until then it had no credibility. Will more info come out? Of course but don't expect everyone to be on Wayne's sack because not all of us are living bitter lives of NPC/IFBB past. Let it go and move on with your life.

But like my therapist always told me.

Perhaps you need an extra session, because YOU are the negative one. Disrespecting the Weiders with your continual "weiner" posts. You were an NPC/IFBB guy until you lost your ass on a show and you're still bitter about it. Being a PDI promoter won't change that and chances are highly likely you will fall flat on your face attempting to promote one of their shows.

Wow, guess I saved you the money for your extra therapy session. Now go back under that rock.

[Solid Attitude]

I am w/ you Isaac. This Keith onlyme guy has the biggest NPC/IFBB chip on his shoulder I have ever seen. Talk about someone w/ the most closed minded views I have ever heard.

The NPC/IFBB could hand out  million dollar contracts to every athlete tomorrow and Keith would find away to bitch and moan and complain.

I think Isaac and I and about a kazillion other people are just sick of his whining.

And don't forget he supposedly put on this awesome contest,  that was the best promoted show ever, and no other promoter treats the athletes like he did yak yak yak waw waw waw. Just go away already.

[LuciusFox]

I am w/ you Isaac. This Keith onlyme guy has the biggest NPC/IFBB chip on his shoulder I have ever seen. Talk about someone w/ the most closed minded views I have ever heard.

The NPC/IFBB could hand out  million dollar contracts to every athlete tomorrow and Keith would find away to bitch and moan and complain.

I think Isaac and I and about a kazillion other people are just sick of his whining.

And don't forget he supposedly put on this awesome contest,  that was the best promoted show ever, and no other promoter treats the athletes like he did yak yak yak waw waw waw. Just go away already.

  His experience with Weider was not the best.

[LuciusFox]

Actually I didn't have a huge chip on my shoulder even though I should until coming on here.  I usually let things go after a short while and leave it as a lesson in life and take whatever financial hit with a grain of salt.  But since I come on here so much and read what some of you people think about these things it brings back the nightmares.  You (if it applies) along with some others on here talk out of their ass when they praise the IFBB or NPC, Weiders or Manion.  You talk like they are god.  Like they can do no wrong.  Well what that tells me is you NEVER dealt with them directly. You go by what you hear or read.  Sorry, but I go by real life facts and things that happened to me personally and the people around me.  I know people that have known Manion before he was NPC chairman.  I know who voted him in.  My kids godfather has so many stories I beg him to come on here but no computer.  So I see your gods as nothing but people who take advantage of others who either don't know any better or don't have a choice.  Now the PDI is here offering a choice so I am behind them all the way.  I could care less if the IFBB stays around.  It is literally impossible for them to fold, but no matter what the PDI is here and it's going to make everything allot better and intersting to say the least.

See, now there you go saying things just to say them.  This is like saying Jocelyn Pelliteir will win this years Olympia or next years.  IMPOSSIBLE WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

If you are sick of it then leave.  Bye Bye.  Don't read my posts.  Simple dipshit.  Don't read.  It's guys like you with no guts who let people take advantage of you while theymake the money and you don't.  Have some balls and speak up.  You type a good game but thats it.  I've lived the game I don't live it through the internet. 

hehe    another waste of space and time.  You are one of theose internet jockeys who couldn't make it in the real world so you come on here and act like you know.  And lets pretend like you do know.  Then you are as ignorant as the guys who don't.

Half the people talk on here out of their asses. No experience, no knowledge no nothing.  I may get some and probably allot of stuff mixed up in my translation but I do know what I am talking about and I do not speak out of my huge ass (as Shawn would say).  Lately I have been pretty shitty on here cause I am getting frustrated defending the PDI against guys who are hoping it fails from the start. Idon't need to defend the PDI or Wayne.  Wayne must have done someting right cause he has been around along time and Manion and the Weiders had him running the biggest BB shows in the world.  And it was proven that he was a major part of their success because it immeidatly went downhill very fast.

Anyway, I have decided not to argue with you guys anymore cause it is useless.  I will go ahead and support Wayne and work on my show.  It looks like its going to be great.  Stay tuned.

And yes the guys who are going say meltdown, owned or pwned or whatever else.  DOubt it.  I'm way stronger mentally and physically than you can imagine.  I have always been upfront my whole life and rarely hide anything.  SO if that is called meltdown then please melt away and try to include some fat with it.

  This post is definitely long enough to qualify................. .............Meltdown.