Author Topic: No Heavy Bench Press for Mentzer? (Read 16503 times)

ratherbebig · « **Reply #75 on:** April 20, 2019, 12:41:05 AM »

the take away message here is that heavy benching isnt very beneficial for bodybuilding and it never was.

Titus Pullo · « **Reply #76 on:** April 20, 2019, 02:20:21 PM »

Quote from: The Scott on April 19, 2019, 07:24:04 PM

Well thank you my friend, but to be honest no one outside powerlifters (and I had several as good friends) ever cared about anything other than "howmuchyabench". My friends stories of J.C. Hise and the 20 rep breathing squat really inspired me.

And I was never a strong bench presser. Nor deadlifter. I competed in a few bodybuilding shows but was not nearly good enough. But it was fun for me and my family and friends showed up to cheer me on if not to victory, then to humiliation!

You are too humble, my good man. A 350 bench, paused or no, is pretty damn strong, even if you were 250 or so when you did it.

BILL ANVIL · « **Reply #77 on:** April 20, 2019, 02:48:49 PM »

Quote from: Fortress on April 18, 2019, 10:52:54 AM

Yes, they’re lying.

I worked at MuscleMag and know what’s what. Kennedy exposed me to all the lies that run rampant in the industry.

He was friends with Arnold and spent a lot of time with that whole crew at the original Gold’s when they were all in their prime and said Arnold couldn’t press anywhere close to 500. At his strongest, he’d mostly use something in the 300s. He was good for a rep or two in the low 400s at his biggest.

Viator couldn’t incline 455, to his chest, unassisted, to save his life.

Sergio would have been pinned for eternity under 500.

Franco was good for sets of 8-10 with 315-365. In Pumping Iron he’s working hard to get a decent set with 315.

Mentzer was all about machines and extreme partials. Like his brother, who’d partial squat off the rails in a cage and then state he could do several hundred. Not a chance in hell.

Bertil could press a massively sloppy 500. Bounce and huge body English.

Resting 315 on his chest at the end of his set then pressing it up easily is not working hard to get a decent set.

You be full of shyte

BILL ANVIL · « **Reply #78 on:** April 20, 2019, 08:06:40 PM »

Quote from: ratherbebig on April 18, 2019, 11:36:53 AM

lee priest benched 525 for 6 reps!

Not a chance in hell Lee benched anywhere near that.

BILL ANVIL · « **Reply #79 on:** April 20, 2019, 08:17:33 PM »

Quote from: ratherbebig on April 19, 2019, 05:21:27 AM

so we have franco on video doing 5 reps at 405.

then we have the getbig expert fortress "Franco was good for sets of 8-10 with 315-365. In Pumping Iron he’s working hard to get a decent set with 315."

what gives

Is Fortress is really biased against that specific group of guys and seriously downplaying their strength

Straw Man · « **Reply #80 on:** April 20, 2019, 08:27:05 PM »

Quote from: tres_taco_combo on April 19, 2019, 02:39:35 PM

ive read this on getbig (gulp) mentzer would do excessive deca doses? 2000-3000mg per week?

If true then it's ironic that his strident views that one only needs a few sets to stimulate growth (with the excess being counter productive) and also insisting that you only needed a few extra grams of protein of the bare minimum of the RDA didn't extend to his drug usage

Seems like to be consistent it would be a half a tab of dbol every 7-10 days

The Scott · « **Reply #81 on:** April 20, 2019, 08:48:37 PM »

Quote from: Straw Man on April 20, 2019, 08:27:05 PM

If true then it's ironic that his strident views that one only needs a few sets to stimulate growth (with the excess being counter productive) and also insisting that you only needed a few extra grams of protein of the bare minimum of the RDA didn't extend to his drug usage

Seems like to be consistent it would be a half a tab of dbol every 7-10 days

There exists for all medications what is known as an "effective dose". That Mentzer (and others) far exceeded this I have no doubts. It may be listed in a PDR for each medication but I really don't know. I think there are a few MDs on here that could better explain this.

Humble Narcissist · « **Reply #82 on:** April 21, 2019, 04:27:31 AM »

Quote from: Royalty on April 19, 2019, 05:12:49 AM

What about Mike Quinn, Mike Matarazzo, Paul Demayo, Paul Dillet, Flex Wheeler, Melvin Anthony or Jay Cutler?

Paul Dillet trained like a girl.......a very weak girl.

Bevo · « **Reply #83 on:** April 21, 2019, 06:02:53 AM »

I love when bbers do half reps with heavy weights and make excuses is to why they don’t do full reps is cause “time under tension” bs

The reality is they are using weights too heavy they are just trying to get it up any way possible haha

Fortress · « **Reply #84 on:** April 21, 2019, 08:53:56 AM »

Quote from: BILL ANVIL on April 20, 2019, 08:17:33 PM

Is Fortress is really biased against that specific group of guys and seriously downplaying their strength

Not a chance. They were strong guys all the way. I just don’t wish to see exaggerations.

Bevo · « **Reply #85 on:** April 21, 2019, 09:15:18 AM »

I love Gunter but for his size and the amount of drugs on, he was one of the weakest pros I’ve ever seen

Still one of the nicest dudes

ratherbebig · « **Reply #86 on:** April 21, 2019, 09:43:54 AM »

whatabout ruhl? wasnt he pretty strong?

maybe he was more a machine guy

Royalty · « **Reply #87 on:** April 21, 2019, 10:13:41 AM »

Quote from: ratherbebig on April 21, 2019, 09:43:54 AM

whatabout ruhl? wasnt he pretty strong?

maybe he was more a machine guy

Ruhl was strong on Bench Press. He used an extremely wide grip. Hands almost out to the sleeves on the bar.

Royalty · « **Reply #88 on:** April 21, 2019, 10:17:24 AM »

Ruhl Wide grip Bench

Go to 1:46

ratherbebig · « **Reply #89 on:** April 21, 2019, 10:28:38 AM »

ruhl very likeable guy, saw his instagram and he's still packing some size

tres_taco_combo · « **Reply #90 on:** April 21, 2019, 04:43:03 PM »

Quote from: Royalty on April 21, 2019, 10:17:24 AM

Ruhl Wide grip Bench

Go to 1:46

love that song - the opening is amazing

Ruhl seemed like never fucking cared about anyone's opinion and just did what him. he used to smoke in alot of his vids back in the day - true Euro haha

BILL ANVIL · « **Reply #91 on:** April 21, 2019, 07:51:29 PM »

Quote from: Fortress on April 21, 2019, 08:53:56 AM

Not a chance. They were strong guys all the way. I just don’t wish to see exaggerations.

I know you know your stuff, but you are completely full of shit bro.

Equalizer · « **Reply #92 on:** April 21, 2019, 08:58:40 PM »

Mentzer started training with weights at age 12 with some local powerlifters. He claimed to be benching 360 and squatting 500 by the age of 15.

fredrollon · « **Reply #93 on:** April 21, 2019, 10:26:00 PM »

Quote from: Royalty on April 21, 2019, 10:17:24 AM

Ruhl Wide grip Bench

Go to 1:46

How much is that?

20 kg + 4 x15 kg (yellow plates) + 4 x 20 kg(blue plates)

= 160kg or 352 lb ?

illuminati · « **Reply #94 on:** April 21, 2019, 10:34:10 PM »

Quote from: fredrollon on April 21, 2019, 10:26:00 PM

How much is that?

20 kg + 4 x15 kg (yellow plates) + 4 x 20 kg(blue plates)

= 160kg or 352 lb ?

At 1.46 onwards
Count again !!

Bar = 20kg
4x 20kg = 80kg - blue discs
6x 15kg = 90kg - yellow discs
2x 5kg = 10kg

That’s 200kg - 440lb Total.

HTH

fredrollon · « **Reply #95 on:** April 21, 2019, 10:44:42 PM »

Quote from: illuminati on April 21, 2019, 10:34:10 PM

At 1.46 onwards
Count again !!

Bar = 20kg
4x 20kg = 80kg - blue discs
6x 15kg = 90kg - yellow discs
2x 5kg = 10kg

That’s 200kg - 440lb Total.

HTH

Oh, ffs. Yes , of course.

(actually watched the relevant portion of the video ,this time)

Royalty · « **Reply #96 on:** April 21, 2019, 11:18:47 PM »

Quote from: Equalizer on April 21, 2019, 08:58:40 PM

Mentzer started training with weights at age 12 with some local powerlifters. He claimed to be benching 360 and squatting 500 by the age of 15.

And yet there are no pictures of him doing Bench Press. Not one. I find that odd.

Think of all the old Flex magazines, Ironman Magazine, Or the various Robert Kennedy publications, or the internet

ratherbebig · « **Reply #97 on:** April 22, 2019, 05:49:10 AM »

whatabout mentzers brother? maybe he did some benching

MAXX · « **Reply #98 on:** April 22, 2019, 12:23:56 PM »

Danny Padilla trained some with Mentzers maybe he could say.

But really who cares?

Titus Pullo · « **Reply #99 on:** April 22, 2019, 01:11:52 PM »

Based on his writings, Mike favored inclines and dips over flat bench. He was especially big on dips, and he spoke at length to me about how he and Ray would really psyche themselves up to dip very heavy -- up to hanging 180 from their waists for reps. (When he said "psyche themselves up," I imagine that entailed popping Speed.)

That said, in an old interview, he was asked about some of his best lifts. He listed flat benching either 425, 440 or 445 for a 1 RM; I can't remember the exact number. He also said he singled 300 in a behind-neck press, and 10 good reps with 225 on the same.

I believe that, but I don't believe the 475*30 squat claim for a minute. Then again, that came from a magazine caption; I don't think Mike ever said anything about his best squat...Ray was the one claiming a double with 900 :/