RIP - Matt Porter - 05-30-19

[che]

Sounds like you and Tom Prince had the same problem, he said he couldn’t go under 240/200 if he tried

You must be a beast weighing 195 at that height with no fat, and natural clean 

[che]

. If you take high level gymnastics deep into your twenties you're going to have problems.

What problems  ?

[pellius]

Wasn't there a massive Hawaiian MMA fighter who starred in the movie Forgetting Sarah Marshall?

Didn't catch that flick.

[pellius]

What problems  ?

Shut up, Commie Lover.

I love how you disappeared from the other thread for exposing you for the hypocrite you are.

[Van_Bilderass]

I could drop lower if I stopped training. I started training at 16 and trained 4 years natural, i didn’t really gain much the 4th year. I competed at 193 when I juiced. Never experienced big weight loss when I came off. I would guess because of the muscle I built in my teens natural so I had the base before juicing. Believe what you want.

The common wisdom is to train natural for a few years to get the best "base" for future bodyuilding success, and start juice when fully grown. But theoretically, and this is probably unethical in most peoples minds, I think juicing a young teen could set him up with a higher muscular set-point later in life. In Eastern block countries the docs thought future champions should be pushed very hard at the onset of puberty, girls a bit earlier than the boys. And this was because physiology, as well as psychology, is highly, or at least more plastic than it is later on. The kids are riding the natural hormone boost of puberty and developing strength and skills they can't later in life. It was done in the past and is done now as well in some countries (doping kids). I'm not going into future repercussions of it, it's obviously an issue, but the concept is interesting to me.

I have even read studies done in the west with kids and height where they have increased predicted height with aromatase inhibitors and steroids such as oxandrolone (it's estrogen that closes the growth plates). And I remember reading an article about american doctors complaining about parents asking them for growth hormones for their kids to increase the chances of them getting taller and having an athletic career.

Just some off-topic rambling on my part  

For Matt to die was too bad, seemed like a nice guy by many accounts and was supposedly very meticulous about his health, constant blood work and heart meds and health supps and Rx TRT mostly etc, dosing very low in the past few years. Although I never saw him say he had actual heart failure back in 2015.

[Van_Bilderass]

What problems  ?

Aren't they all basically almost dwarwes and have joint and back issues from the forced hypermobility?
Not to mention the psych issues from the crazy strict coaching approaches. This in the west. In the east they hit the kids with sticks when they cry for mommy during training.

[deadz]

The common wisdom is to train natural for a few years to get the best "base" for future bodyuilding success, and start juice when fully grown. But theoretically, and this is probably unethical in most peoples minds, I think juicing a young teen could set him up with a higher muscular set-point later in life. In Eastern block countries the docs thought future champions should be pushed very hard at the onset of puberty, girls a bit earlier than the boys. And this was because physiology, as well as psychology, is highly, or at least more plastic than it is later on. The kids are riding the natural hormone boost of puberty and developing strength and skills they can't later in life. It was done in the past and is done now as well in some countries (doping kids). I'm not going into future repercussions of it, it's obviously an issue, but the concept is interesting to me.

I have even read studies done in the west with kids and height where they have increased predicted height with aromatase inhibitors and steroids such as oxandrolone (it's estrogen that closes the growth plates). And I remember reading an article about american doctors complaining about parents asking them for growth hormones for their kids to increase the chances of them getting taller and having an athletic career.

Just some off-topic rambling on my part  

For Matt to die was too bad, seemed like a nice guy by many accounts and was supposedly very meticulous about his health, constant blood work and heart meds and health supps and Rx TRT mostly etc, dosing very low in the past few years. Although I never saw him say he had actual heart failure back in 2015.

IF ANYONE THINKS MATT WAS JUST ON TRT YOU ARE A COMPLETE IDIOT. Matt killed himself, I could care less about his death. A real tragedy are the children who die daily from various diseases, that’s sad. I’m happy Matt died before he killed one of his clients with his idiotic “coaching”.

[che]

Aren't they all basically almost dwarwes and have joint and back issues from the forced hypermobility?
Not to mention the psych issues from the crazy strict coaching approaches. This in the west. In the east they hit the kids with sticks when they cry for mommy during training.

That's far from dying

[Coach is Back!]

The common wisdom is to train natural for a few years to get the best "base" for future bodyuilding success, and start juice when fully grown. But theoretically, and this is probably unethical in most peoples minds, I think juicing a young teen could set him up with a higher muscular set-point later in life. In Eastern block countries the docs thought future champions should be pushed very hard at the onset of puberty, girls a bit earlier than the boys. And this was because physiology, as well as psychology, is highly, or at least more plastic than it is later on. The kids are riding the natural hormone boost of puberty and developing strength and skills they can't later in life. It was done in the past and is done now as well in some countries (doping kids). I'm not going into future repercussions of it, it's obviously an issue, but the concept is interesting to me.

I have even read studies done in the west with kids and height where they have increased predicted height with aromatase inhibitors and steroids such as oxandrolone (it's estrogen that closes the growth plates). And I remember reading an article about american doctors complaining about parents asking them for growth hormones for their kids to increase the chances of them getting taller and having an athletic career.

Just some off-topic rambling on my part  

For Matt to die was too bad, seemed like a nice guy by many accounts and was supposedly very meticulous about his health, constant blood work and heart meds and health supps and Rx TRT mostly etc, dosing very low in the past few years. Although I never saw him say he had actual heart failure back in 2015.

I’ve pretty much gave up on reasoning or even having conversations about training, drugs or the deaths of bodybuilders or even health issues in general on here because it’s fruitless and they’re going to draw their own conclusions regardless of what studies or reasoning that’s trying to be made. Bottom line is that unless there was an genetic predisposition people as young as Matt just don’t drop dead especially when he watched his health as closely as he did after he was diagnosed with high BP that even then had a hard time controlling after meds, but he did finally get it under control.

Like you, I never read or heard about his saying he had congestive heart failure. If someone can find it post it otherwise it’s just an internet rumor.

Ed Corney was a bodybuilder that died at 85 so the thought process is of course, drugs. A little exaggerated in this case but you see the pattern of ignorance

[Tha Grim Lifter]

The common wisdom is to train natural for a few years to get the best "base" for future bodyuilding success, and start juice when fully grown. But theoretically, and this is probably unethical in most peoples minds, I think juicing a young teen could set him up with a higher muscular set-point later in life. In Eastern block countries the docs thought future champions should be pushed very hard at the onset of puberty, girls a bit earlier than the boys. And this was because physiology, as well as psychology, is highly, or at least more plastic than it is later on. The kids are riding the natural hormone boost of puberty and developing strength and skills they can't later in life. It was done in the past and is done now as well in some countries (doping kids). I'm not going into future repercussions of it, it's obviously an issue, but the concept is interesting to me.

I have even read studies done in the west with kids and height where they have increased predicted height with aromatase inhibitors and steroids such as oxandrolone (it's estrogen that closes the growth plates). And I remember reading an article about american doctors complaining about parents asking them for growth hormones for their kids to increase the chances of them getting taller and having an athletic career.

Just some off-topic rambling on my part  

For Matt to die was too bad, seemed like a nice guy by many accounts and was supposedly very meticulous about his health, constant blood work and heart meds and health supps and Rx TRT mostly etc, dosing very low in the past few years. Although I never saw him say he had actual heart failure back in 2015.

Yes but the counties getting kids on hormones younger are also doing this for sports where the kids have been training in for many years, probably since they were even 5. So they have trained for 6-7 or more years before juicing. In bodybuilding you don’t really start training until maybe 14 at the earliest, and also bodybuilding is a sport where some guys even on juice don’t peak until their forties. So training natural with weights for 3 years natural to build as much as you can naturally is worth it. All I know is I never dropped much off cycles, I competed at 193 when I cleaned out, went up to about 205 and then started doing other sports as well and dropped down. Haven’t changed much in 15 years since except better quality from more years of training. Some of the guys in this thread have been hanging around hardcore juicers too much who’s weight goes up and down 60 pounds because they can’t train clean.

[Stephano]

I’ve pretty much gave up on reasoning or even having conversations about training, drugs or the deaths of bodybuilders or even health issues in general on here because it’s fruitless and they’re going to draw their own conclusions regardless of what studies or reasoning that’s trying to be made. Bottom line is that unless there was an genetic predisposition people as young as Matt just don’t drop dead especially when he watched his health as closely as he did after he was diagnosed with high BP that even then had a hard time controlling after meds, but he did finally get it under control.

Like you, I never read or heard about his saying he had congestive heart failure. If someone can find it post it otherwise it’s just an internet rumor.

An internet rumor... started by his grieving wife?  (Who, surely, was in a position to know.)

You retarded?

If you believe that he was only on TRT... well... that answers that question.

[Coach is Back!]

An internet rumor... started by his grieving wife?  (Who, surely, was in a position to know.)

You retarded?

If you believe that he was only on TRT... well... that answers that question.

No, I’m not. I just re-read her post and unless I missed it there was no mention of congestive heart failure ( the internet rumor) which is what I was referring too. As for what he was taking? I don’t know and neither do you but regardless and like I said before, unless they missed something underlying and he was diligent with his med check ups...people that young just don’t drop dead.

[Stephano]

No, I’m not. I just re-read her post and unless I missed it there was no mention of congestive heart failure ( the internet rumor) which is what I was referring too. As for what he was taking? I don’t know and neither do you but regardless and like I said before, unless they missed something underlying and he was diligent with his med check ups...people that young just don’t drop dead.

This is what she wrote, emphasis added:

"He then found out his BP had been too high for too long and he was in heart failure. He had previously brushed off his high BP because the doctor wasn’t concerned. The head of the heart failure team told us we should look into this because he should have had you on meds and monitoring this and now it is to a point we hope it will return. Thankfully his heart was fully functioning to 55 and 60 is high This was a few months later."

"He was in heart failure" = he had started experiencing heart failure at the age of 27.

Derek Anthony died at 33.  Matt Porter at 34.  Dallas Carver at 26.  There is a common thread here.  You don't want to see it, you're in denial, but it's there.  Young people die when they take things too far in this "sport," and don't know when to stop. 

For fuck's sake, just look at Matt Porter's face in his latest videos.  Is that the face of a healthy man in his early 30s?  He's got the late-stage-terminal bloat that we've come to know.

[Twaddle]

I’ve pretty much gave up on reasoning or even having conversations about training, drugs or the deaths of bodybuilders or even health issues in general on here because it’s fruitless and they’re going to draw their own conclusions regardless of what studies or reasoning that’s trying to be made. Bottom line is that unless there was an genetic predisposition people as young as Matt just don’t drop dead especially when he watched his health as closely as he did after he was diagnosed with high BP that even then had a hard time controlling after meds, but he did finally get it under control.

Like you, I never read or heard about his saying he had congestive heart failure. If someone can find it post it otherwise it’s just an internet rumor.

Ed Corney was a bodybuilder that died at 85 so the thought process is of course, drugs. A little exaggerated in this case but you see the pattern of ignorance

Coach, I can't figure out what you're trying to say.  Are you saying he was poisoned?

[Bevo]

This is what she wrote, emphasis added:
"He was in heart failure" = he had started experiencing heart failure at the age of 27.

Derek Anthony died at 33.  Matt Porter at 34.  Dallas Carver at 26.  There is a common thread here.  You don't want to see it, you're in denial, but it's there.  Young people die when they take things too far in this "sport," and don't know when to stop. 

For fuck's sake, just look at Matt Porter's face in his latest videos.  Is that the face of a healthy man in his early 30s?  He's got the late-stage-terminal bloat that we've come to know.

X2

[Bevo]

I’ve pretty much gave up on reasoning or even having conversations about training, drugs or the deaths of bodybuilders or even health issues in general on here because it’s fruitless and they’re going to draw their own conclusions regardless of what studies or reasoning that’s trying to be made. Bottom line is that unless there was an genetic predisposition people as young as Matt just don’t drop dead especially when he watched his health as closely as he did after he was diagnosed with high BP that even then had a hard time controlling after meds, but he did finally get it under control.

Like you, I never read or heard about his saying he had congestive heart failure. If someone can find it post it otherwise it’s just an internet rumor.

Ed Corney was a bodybuilder that died at 85 so the thought process is of course, drugs. A little exaggerated in this case but you see the pattern of ignorance

If he never got into bbing, you think he would have died at 34?

Can’t compare Ed corney to today’s modern “more is better” with exotic cocktails, I’m sure Ed wasn’t using gh and insulin, diuretics by the boatloads like today’s guys

This is only the beginning, we will see a lot more, guaranteed

[illuminati]

I’ve pretty much gave up on reasoning or even having conversations about training, drugs or the deaths of bodybuilders or even health issues in general on here because it’s fruitless and they’re going to draw their own conclusions regardless of what studies or reasoning that’s trying to be made. Bottom line is that unless there was an genetic predisposition people as young as Matt just don’t drop dead especially when he watched his health as closely as he did after he was diagnosed with high BP that even then had a hard time controlling after meds, but he did finally get it under control.

Like you, I never read or heard about his saying he had congestive heart failure. If someone can find it post it otherwise it’s just an internet rumor.

Ed Corney was a bodybuilder that died at 85 so the thought process is of course, drugs. A little exaggerated in this case but you see the pattern of ignorance

Good of you to defend him.
Sadly he’d been experiencing heath problems for 7yrs !!
Since age of 27!! Likely he didn’t have the best health Genetics
To start with - His choice of Sport & The Likely Drugs he was using plus his body weight
Most certainly didn’t contribute to having Better Health.
Just look at him in his video - Can you really say he looked a healthy 34yr old.

And I’m a similar age to yourself take my gear & competed at national & international level
So no gear hate from Me, Also I contest prep many - There are Very real dangers
And Problems associated with Abusing gear & being very heavy & unfit - Couple that with
Poor Genetics For Health & You’ve Got A Potential Time Bomb. His Went OFF.

[usmcdevildoc]

This is what she wrote, emphasis added:
"He was in heart failure" = he had started experiencing heart failure at the age of 27.

Derek Anthony died at 33.  Matt Porter at 34.  Dallas Carver at 26.  There is a common thread here.  You don't want to see it, you're in denial, but it's there.  Young people die when they take things too far in this "sport," and don't know when to stop. 

For fuck's sake, just look at Matt Porter's face in his latest videos.  Is that the face of a healthy man in his early 30s?  He's got the late-stage-terminal bloat that we've come to know.

You are forgetting one point:  He had some dangerous doctors. That is the real reason he is dead. RIP

[Stephano]

You are forgetting one point:  He had some dangerous doctors. That is the real reason he is dead. RIP

No.

He had every opportunity to seek out a good cardiologist after going into heart failure.  He had another opportunity after drinking a goddamn milkshake almost killed him.  He didn't.  He never did the sensible thing.  He maintained an extremely unhealthy bodyweight, and kept on experimenting with drugs, to his wife's dismay.

So bad doctors are not "the reason he is dead."  That's lazy and self-serving.  He's dead because he didn't have the brains, mental toughness, and courage of Tom Prince and Mustafa Mohammad.  At some point, you've gotta step back and re-assess your priorities.

[Tha Grim Lifter]

Yes he probably had a pre existing condition but the amount of different types of enhancers he took greatly sped up when he was going to experience that condition and also would have made it harder to fight it.

If he'd trained and eaten and watched his health without using drugs at all he would never have died at 34 or been as sick as he was over the years.

[Mayday]

Stephano speaking truths.

Guys who were on mega doses thinking a couple of grams is healthy...... They lie, lie, lie about being on trt. Guys on trt aren't dropping dead.......

Fucking hell it's well known now that guys are blasting the shit out of gear. You have shit for brains if you think these same guys drop down to 2% of their dlmega dose yet keep 90% of their size LMAO. They all shrink when truly on trt. Dorian Yates is the golden standard for trt after competing.

[SF1900]

This is what she wrote, emphasis added:
"He was in heart failure" = he had started experiencing heart failure at the age of 27.

Derek Anthony died at 33.  Matt Porter at 34.  Dallas Carver at 26.  There is a common thread here.  You don't want to see it, you're in denial, but it's there.  Young people die when they take things too far in this "sport," and don't know when to stop. 

For fuck's sake, just look at Matt Porter's face in his latest videos.  Is that the face of a healthy man in his early 30s?  He's got the late-stage-terminal bloat that we've come to know.

Nothing to do with steroids or GH, etc.

They all had a congenital condition.

[Soul Crusher]

Every video I have seen or saw with him - he looks very unhealthy.  Bloated and red and puffed out.   


FNG morons - dying early and risking it all for a plastic trophy.   

[Bevo]

Nothing to do with steroids or GH, etc.

They all had a congenital condition.

Would you reckon Matt would have lived until 36 if he worked out naturally as opposed to 34 being on steroids?

[Bevo]

Good of you to defend him.
Sadly he’d been experiencing heath problems for 7yrs !!
Since age of 27!! Likely he didn’t have the best health Genetics
To start with - His choice of Sport & The Likely Drugs he was using plus his body weight
Most certainly didn’t contribute to having Better Health.
Just look at him in his video - Can you really say he looked a healthy 34yr old.

And I’m a similar age to yourself take my gear & competed at national & international level
So no gear hate from Me, Also I contest prep many - There are Very real dangers
And Problems associated with Abusing gear & being very heavy & unfit - Couple that with
Poor Genetics For Health & You’ve Got A Potential Time Bomb. His Went OFF.

Shawn Ray has been preaching this forever