Anti-American

[chaos]

Where the guy was born is irrelevant.  The issue is he cannot speak or understand English without an interpreter.  Absolutely insane.

So much for assimilation into American culture. You would think that speaking and understanding english would be a requirement for service in any sort of public servant role.

[Primemuscle]

Where the guy was born is irrelevant.  The issue is he cannot speak or understand English without an interpreter.  Absolutely insane.

I suggest you do not move to Lawrence, MA unless you speak Spanish. It is clearly the dominate language there. Stay in Hawaii because English is the official language spoken in government functions.

Eighty-two percent of Lawrence, MA's population is Spanish speaking. Apparently, it is not insane to Lawrence's speaking folks who voted for Brian De Peņa. In 2021 he got 53% of the vote. His opponent, Kendrys Vasquez was also born in the Dominican Republic. He got 46% of the vote. There were no other candidates.

Brian De Peņa was re-elected Mayor last November. Brian's opponent was Juan "Manny" Gonzalez who was born in Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico's native language is Spanish.

There is no state law requiring English fluency to become Mayor of Lawrence, MA.

 

[chaos]

There is no state law requiring English fluency to become Mayor of Lawrence, MA.

And that's a damn shame. Ask google what the official language of the United States is.

[deadz]

And that's a damn shame. Ask google what the official language of the United States is.

that’s all his janitor brain has is google.

[Dos Equis]

I suggest you do not move to Lawrence, MA unless you speak Spanish. It is clearly the dominate language there. Stay in Hawaii because English is the official language spoken in government functions.

Eighty-two percent of Lawrence, MA's population is Spanish speaking. Apparently, it is not insane to Lawrence's speaking folks who voted for Brian De Peņa. In 2021 he got 53% of the vote. His opponent, Kendrys Vasquez was also born in the Dominican Republic. He got 46% of the vote. There were no other candidates.

Brian De Peņa was re-elected Mayor last November. Brian's opponent was Juan "Manny" Gonzalez who was born in Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico's native language is Spanish.

There is no state law requiring English fluency to become Mayor of Lawrence, MA.

Do you think the mayor of an American city should know how to speak and understand English?

[Primemuscle]

Do you think the mayor of an American city should know how to speak and understand English?

Sure. But then I don't live in Lawrence, MA and therefore could not vote in their last two Mayoral elections, so what I think is irrelevant. It is what the folks of Lawrence think that counts. Apparently, his lack of fluency in English is not a problem for them.

As a resident of West Linn, in 2023 I voted for Rory Bialostosky, who is a longtime resident of West Linn. He was elected to the City Council in 2020 when he was 21 years old. He is fluent in English and also an intelligent fellow. His young age isn't a problem for me either.



https://www.lclark.edu/live/news/52503-west-linn-selects-recent-alum-as-youngest-ever

West Linn's population is around 28,000. The median age is 43. West Linn is somewhere between 80 - 83% white. Around 60% of the people over 25 years old have a bachelor's degree or higher. The median household income is $147,000. 78% of the housing is owner occupied. The poverty level is almost non-existent.
 
 

[Dos Equis]

Sure. But then I don't live in Lawrence, MA and therefore could not vote in their last two Mayoral elections, so what I think is irrelevant. It is what the folks of Lawrence think that counts. Apparently, his lack of fluency in English is not a problem for them.

As a resident of West Linn, in 2023 I voted for Rory Bialostosky, who is a longtime resident of West Linn. He was elected to the City Council in 2020 when he was 21 years old. He is fluent in English and also an intelligent fellow. His young age isn't a problem for me either.



https://www.lclark.edu/live/news/52503-west-linn-selects-recent-alum-as-youngest-ever

West Linn's population is around 28,000. The median age is 43. West Linn is somewhere between 80 - 83% white. Around 60% of the people over 25 years old have a bachelor's degree or higher. The median household income is $147,000. 78% of the housing is owner occupied. The poverty level is almost non-existent.

Glad we agree on the mayor of an American city needing to speak and understand English. 

It may not matter to you what happens outside of your own city, but as an American I care about what happens in every American city. 

[Primemuscle]

Glad we agree on the mayor of an American city needing to speak and understand English. 

It may not matter to you what happens outside of your own city, but as an American I care about what happens in every American city.

Just curious, are you discounting the voters' right to choose their mayor in Lawrence, MA?

Did I say what happens in other cities does not matter to me? If so, that was not my intention. What matters to me, in this case, is the people's right to choose what happens in their city by exercising their right to vote for the mayoral candidate of their choice.

West Linn is a city, but it is also a suburb of Portland. So understandably, I care about who the people choose to be Portland's Mayor. Do I care about who is the Mayor of every U.S. city? Not in any significant way because to do this is unrealistic. 
 
 

[illuminati]

Just curious, are you discounting the voters' right to choose their mayor in Lawrence, MA?

Did I say what happens in other cities does not matter to me? If so, that was not my intention. What matters to me, in this case, is the people's right to choose what happens in their city by exercising their right to vote for the mayoral candidate of their choice.

West Linn is a city, but it is also a suburb of Portland. So understandably, I care about who the people choose to be Portland's Mayor. Do I care about who is the Mayor of every U.S. city? Not in any significant way because to do this is unrealistic.

Just a Quick Reminder for you
😂🤣😂🤣😂   👍🏻

[Dos Equis]

Just curious, are you discounting the voters' right to choose their mayor in Lawrence, MA?

Did I say what happens in other cities does not matter to me? If so, that was not my intention. What matters to me, in this case, is the people's right to choose what happens in their city by exercising their right to vote for the mayoral candidate of their choice.

West Linn is a city, but it is also a suburb of Portland. So understandably, I care about who the people choose to be Portland's Mayor. Do I care about who is the Mayor of every U.S. city? Not in any significant way because to do this is unrealistic.

I never said anything about people not having the right to vote for the candidate of their choice.  Of course they do.  Sometimes voters make retarded choices, like repeatedly putting the man in office who was afraid Guam would tip over because of the military equipment on the island.  Or the people who repeatedly vote for Adam Schiff, Swalwell, and Newsom.  Or the people who just elected a socialist to be NYC mayor. 

That said, it's still anti-American to elect a mayor of an American city who cannot speak or understand English. It's one of the craziest political things I have ever heard. 

But welcome to the new normal in this upside world. 

[Primemuscle]

Just a Quick Reminder for you
😂🤣😂🤣😂   👍🏻

Your reminder is not necessary. I feel this almost everyday. Trump's behavior never fails to remind me.

[illuminati]

Your reminder is not necessary. I feel this almost everyday. Trump's behavior never fails to remind me.

Ha ha - Bloody Marvelous isn't it - Having a President who constantly reminds you
That you were fortunate to dodge a bullet twice with those 2 sour faced old hags/ whores
Losing.

[chaos]

Just curious, are you discounting the voters' right to choose their mayor in Lawrence, MA?

Did I say what happens in other cities does not matter to me? If so, that was not my intention. What matters to me, in this case, is the people's right to choose what happens in their city by exercising their right to vote for the mayoral candidate of their choice.

West Linn is a city, but it is also a suburb of Portland. So understandably, I care about who the people choose to be Portland's Mayor. Do I care about who is the Mayor of every U.S. city? Not in any significant way because to do this is unrealistic.

Interesting.

Lawrence, MA is considered a sanctuary city. It has adopted policies that limit cooperation with federal immigration enforcement,

[Primemuscle]

Interesting.



Lawrence, MA is considered a sanctuary city. It has adopted policies that limit cooperation with federal immigration enforcement.

It is not surprising that Lawrence, MA is a sanctuary city, considering 82% of the population is Latino with the largest number of them being Dominicans.

[chaos]

It is not surprising that Lawrence, MA is a sanctuary city, considering 82% of the population is Latino with the largest number of them being Dominicans.

It would be interesting to see who is voting in that dump of a city.

[Grape Ape]

It would be interesting to see who is voting in that dump of a city.

It's pretty dumpy.

I have a family member living there temporarily (apt is pretty sweet, location....well....)

But the main problem is that someone who does not learn English should not be able to be successful in the US, if you believe how immigration is supposed to work.

Folks should have to learn the language, assimilate, keep their core values, but adopt American ones.  When those barriers to success are removed, the immigration can become a problem.

[Primemuscle]

It's pretty dumpy.

I have a family member living there temporarily (apt is pretty sweet, location....well....)

But the main problem is that someone who does not learn English should not be able to be successful in the US, if you believe how immigration is supposed to work.

Folks should have to learn the language, assimilate, keep their core values, but adopt American ones.  When those barriers to success are removed, the immigration can become a problem.

It was my impression that to become a U.S. citizen the applicant must speak some English. This is no longer true. Around 30 years ago, applicants were allowed to have an interpreter during the citizenship application process. I disagree with this. To become a U.S. citizen a person should be able to speak enough English to be able to communicate. 

"You generally need to know basic English (reading, writing, speaking) for U.S. citizenship, but there are significant age/residency (50/20, 55/15 rule) and medical disability exemptions, and even with exemptions, you still take the civics test, sometimes in your native language with an interpreter. The English test assesses basic comprehension for functioning as a citizen, allowing for some errors in speech and grammar, and you get a second chance if you fail the first time."

[Grape Ape]

It was my impression that to become a U.S. citizen the applicant must speak some English. This is no longer true. Around 30 years ago, applicants were allowed to have an interpreter during the citizenship application process. I disagree with this. To become a U.S. citizen a person should be able to speak enough English to be able to communicate. 

"You generally need to know basic English (reading, writing, speaking) for U.S. citizenship, but there are significant age/residency (50/20, 55/15 rule) and medical disability exemptions, and even with exemptions, you still take the civics test, sometimes in your native language with an interpreter. The English test assesses basic comprehension for functioning as a citizen, allowing for some errors in speech and grammar, and you get a second chance if you fail the first time."

I had the same impression, and agree with you.

[Primemuscle]

I had the same impression, and agree with you.

When he was in the army and stationed in France, my maternal grandfather married a French woman in Aix-Les-Bains, Savoie, France around the same time as Treaty of Versailles, signed on June 28, 1919, and he brought her to the states. During WWI she was an interpreter for General Pershing, so she was already fluent in English. She became an American citizen (not sure what year). For many years she gave private lessons in French to finance her multiple trips home to France over the years.

My daughter-in-law is German. Besides German, she is fluent in English and Russian plus can speak some French. Three of my adult grandchildren are by-lingual. My is fluent in German and French in addition to his native English.

English is the most commonly spoken language worldwide with somewhere around 1.5 billion speakers. Why do you suppose one third of all immigrants to U.S. never learn English? Most countries have dual or multiple signage. Spanish is the most common second language signage in the U.S.

[Grape Ape]

When he was in the army and stationed in France, my maternal grandfather married a French woman in Aix-Les-Bains, Savoie, France around the same time as Treaty of Versailles, signed on June 28, 1919, and he brought her to the states. During WWI she was an interpreter for General Pershing, so she was already fluent in English. She became an American citizen (not sure what year). For many years she gave private lessons in French to finance her multiple trips home to France over the years.

My daughter-in-law is German. Besides German, she is fluent in English and Russian plus can speak some French. Three of my adult grandchildren are by-lingual. My is fluent in German and French in addition to his native English.

English is the most commonly spoken language worldwide with somewhere around 1.5 billion speakers. Why do you suppose one third of all immigrants to U.S. never learn English? Most countries have dual or multiple signage. Spanish is the most common second language signage in the U.S.

I wasn't aware of the 1/3 stat.  I'd wager it's because they don't have to learn it to be successful now.  I still think it should be a requirement.

It certainly does seem there's more bilingual non-us folks for sure though.

I probably should make myself learn a new language this year.  It's supposed to be good for the brain.  I'd have to pick between Spanish and French.

[AbrahamG]

I wasn't aware of the 1/3 stat.  I'd wager it's because they don't have to learn it to be successful now.  I still think it should be a requirement.

It certainly does seem there's more bilingual non-us folks for sure though.

I probably should make myself learn a new language this year.  It's supposed to be good for the brain.  I'd have to pick between Spanish and French.

They need to shit can the foreign language requirements in high schools and shift those classes to kindergarten or even pre-K and continue through elementary school.  High School foreign language classes are a waste of everyone's time and money.  Much easier to learn as a child.

[Humble Narcissist]

They need to shit can the foreign language requirements in high schools and shift those classes to kindergarten or even pre-K and continue through elementary school.  High School foreign language classes are a waste of everyone's time and money.  Much easier to learn as a child.

No doubt. Most who took a foreign language in high school can't have a simple conversation with a native speaker.

[Primemuscle]

They need to shit can the foreign language requirements in high schools and shift those classes to kindergarten or even pre-K and continue through elementary school.  High School foreign language classes are a waste of everyone's time and money.  Much easier to learn as a child.

It's easier for children to learn a language because their brains are more plastic (neuroplasticity) and ready to create new circuits.

When I was in preschool living in Germany with my uncle and aunt, I attended a German preschool and learned a little German. My aunt was French and would speak French to me. My French grandmother also taught me French. Although my mom was fluent in French, she rarely spoke it unless she was talking to friends who also spoke French. Unfortunately, I speak very little French and almost no German today. I attribute this to "use it or lose it," and I have very little opportunity to use it today. When I visit family in Germany, everyone speaks English to me. My son speaks German as fluently as he does English. He started learning German when he was 19 years old and stationed in Kitzingen, Germany.