Trump violated Impoundment Control act ( 1974) with Ukraine aid

[Primemuscle]

It was delayed because Trump wanted dirt on his opponante Biden. Zelenski was just elected President and seeing how the country is listed as the third most corrupt country in the world Trump wanted to see if Zelenski was legit in the sense he ran on wiping out corruption (much like Trump is doing here). After he saw Zelenski was a legit President After he found out about the whistleblower that’s when he released aid.

Howard didn’t seem to realize that’s it’s Trumps obligation to do this. Why in the fuck would he release money without finding out first if it would be used to fund corruption instead of aid? Trump has an army of government employees whose responsibilty is investigating corruption.

Is it Trump's obligation to do this covertly with the assistance of his personal attorney or is this a matter he should have had the CIA handle? Isn't that what the CIA does?

The CIA works as an advisory agency on matters related to foreign intelligence, and it conducts missions and other covert activities under the direction of the President. The Director of the CIA, who is nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate, is responsible for managing the agency’s budget, operations, and personnel.

Although the CIA is operated as an independent federal agency, Congress and the executive branch oversee the activities and monitoring programs of the CIA.

The CIA works to:

-Close intelligence gaps through enhanced foreign collection and analysis
-Fulfill the global mission of providing national policymakers, including the President, with intelligence regarding issues that are most critical to the President and senior --national security team members
-Utilize technological advances as to ensure better performance in all mission areas, including collection, analysis, covert action, and counterintelligence

Remember, your savior prior to Trump only provided blankets and MRE’s to protect themselves from Russia. The fuck are you getting your info from?

[Coach is Back!]

And this is where your always wrong.

[Soul Crusher]

I sincerely wish more Trump supporters debated like you Coach.
You don't compromise your beliefs , stick to the issues and avoid the childish insults.
* Being funny or sarcastic is very different from rude, obnoxious ridicule. I thank you for avoiding most of that.

More importantly, you often provide a reason to support your candidate or pt of view.
 For example, you accept Trump tried to make a deal with Ukraine, but claim it was for rooting out corruption.
 Again, I don't agree with that conclusion , BUT it's the one key point to argue.

 I'll always remember YOU reminding me, that full impeachment could hurt the overall US economy.
It's a damn good point to emphasize, considering that a senate impeachment vote won't convict Trump.
 
 I suspect you've long learned from sports, that humilating your rival is bad in the long run.
 "Dancing in the end zone" might feel good, but it can backfire by rallying the other team against you.
 Plus, it just looks bad and lacks class.

You voted for Hillary - its easier to just mock you 

[Bear232]

Was it impeachable that Obama withheld aid (he never gave military aid, he openly opposed this to Ukraine)?    And, if not, why is Trump being held to a different standard?   Or is this because Democrats including Brian Stelter feel he is violating presidential norms.

[Thin Lizzy]

Howard getting violated in this thread like the Impoundment Control Act (1974).

[Dos Equis]

Howard getting violated in this thread like the Impoundment Control Act (1974).

I doubt he read the Act before creating this thread.  But who knows?  Maybe the House will include this as one of the Articles of Impeachment? 

[IRON CROSS]

Ok, so you're saying Trump won't be impeached by the full house?
If so I disagree .

Who give a f...... 

[Primemuscle]

I doubt he read the Act before creating this thread.  But who knows?  Maybe the House will include this as one of the Articles of Impeachment? 

I read it and I think Howard did too. I'm not so sure you did though.

[Dos Equis]

I read it and I think Howard did too. I'm not so sure you did though.

I doubt either one of you read it.   

[Primemuscle]

I doubt either one of you read it.   

If thinking this makes you feel better, go for it. Honestly, I don't give a shit what you think anyway.

[JustPlaneJane]

I did read it, because, like most people , I didn't know much about it.
LOL, it's called educating yourself .
So, I read what it was and how it applied.
THEN, I concluded Trump was guilty of violating it.

No one cares.

You voted for Hillary.

You have no credibility.

[JustPlaneJane]

I don't care, that you think nobody cares ,because I care about issues, others care about.
I yield my time back to Prime.

The greatness of President Donald Trump violates your bunghole on a daily basis.

Five more years.

[Dos Equis]

If thinking this makes you feel better, go for it. Honestly, I don't give a shit what you think anyway.

Given that you often forget what you posted in the same thread, I will take this with a grain of salt.   

[Dos Equis]

No one cares.

You voted for Hillary.

You have no credibility.

True.

[Primemuscle]

I don't care, that you think nobody cares ,because I care about issues, others care about.
I yield my time back to Prime.

Thanks but I feel like I am wasting my time with these yahoos. No matter what the truth is they interpet it so fit their agenda. Either our take or theirs could be wrong but the truth remains the truth and that you cannot change, no matter how much you may want to. Delusions are powerful enough to affect outcomes, but the truth will still be the tuth.

[Thin Lizzy]

Thanks but I feel like I am wasting my time with these yahoos. No matter what the truth is they interpet it so fit their agenda. Either our take or theirs could be wrong but the truth remains the truth and that you cannot change, no matter how much you may want to. Delusions are powerful enough to affect outcomes, but the truth will still be the tuth.

Please, I watched MSNBC during the hearings. They only showed the Democrats asking fluff questions. If it’s supposed to resemble a hearing don’t you want to hear the defense. From my understanding you’re presumed innocent in this country. They showed Sondland  mentioning quid pro quo but they didn’t show the Republican Congress person discovering that Sondland was assuming.

It ended up being this episode of the Odd Couple:

The Odd Couple - Assume

The impeachment is a joke. The public other the TDS impaired knows it.
 

[Primemuscle]

How can team Trump say they aren't given "due process" when they refuse to participate in the proceedings?
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-judge-napolitano-impeachment-inquiry-1475207

Because anyone can say anything and some folks will believe it, especially if it is repeated often enough. This is what 'team Trump' counts on. What's more they learned it from the master of manipulation.

[Thin Lizzy]

How can team Trump say they aren't given "due process" when they refuse to participate in the proceedings?
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-judge-napolitano-impeachment-inquiry-1475207

The hearings already took place. This upcoming stuff has just a few constitutional lawyers going back-and-forth about who knows what. No one even knows what’s going on there. Why should Trump legitimize this?

Also funny how the Dems always seem to schedule these things when Trump is going overseas to meet with foreign leaders. Coincidence?

[SOMEPARTS]

Anything hand selected within the impeachment process puts the veracity of the whole thing in doubt. Hand picking lawyers to try and decide what a crime is in the second phase of this is classic cart before horse stuff.

[Thin Lizzy]

Anything hand selected within the impeachment process puts the veracity of the whole thing in doubt. Hand picking lawyers to try and decide what a crime is in the second phase of this is classic cart before horse stuff.

Great point. The whole process has been shady from the start: Anonymous whistle blower who Schiff claimed to not know.😂😂😂. Behind closed door testimony. Witnesses who relied on heresay and presumptions.

This shadiness was deemed off putting by the public. Thus, the decrease in approval even with the Dems controlling the process.

This is why I don’t see it going to the Senate. It will go from bad to worse for the Dems.

[Grape Ape]

The key difference here is this:
1. Obama was doing it in the name of national security and wasn't trying to gain a PERSONAL benefit.
2. Trump was trying to get a personal, political "favor".

Using the office of the President for personal favors is illegal when dealing with other nations.
This is called abuse of power.

Only if you decide it was a personal favor, and not investingating corruption.

That is the crux of the entire thing.

I posted this before all the hearings began, and nothing has changed.

The trouble is, the impeachment inquiry did not prove any of this with direct evidence, just heresay and conjecture.  How many clips of the witnesses admitting this do we have to see?

You, like many other Democrats, had your minds made up before the inquiry.

Republicans did too, but the burden of proof is on the accuser, and the accuser failed.

[Primemuscle]

Anything hand selected within the impeachment process puts the veracity of the whole thing in doubt. Hand picking lawyers to try and decide what a crime is in the second phase of this is classic cart before horse stuff.

So do Republican's not also hand pick their lawyers? How about Trump? Has he gone through so many attorneys now that they are just assigned to him? I believe the House Judiciary Committee is made up of a mix of Republicans and Democrats who are Congress people. Some Congress people indeed have legal backgrounds, but it is not a prerequisite. Both sides of the House Judiciary Committee have the opportunity to utilize legal counsel, just as it was in the House Intelligence Committee

[JustPlaneJane]

If the Bidens were innocent they would have welcomed an investigation.

The entire Impeachment Inquiry was a sham. That is not disputable.

It was a lame circus show investigation looking for a crime.

The country sees through it and will re-elect Trump in a landslide because of it and the economy

[Primemuscle]

If the Bidens were innocent they would have welcomed an investigation.

The entire Impeachment Inquiry was a sham. That is not disputable.

It was a lame circus show investigation looking for a crime.

The country sees through it and will re-elect Trump in a landslide because of it and the economy

If Trump were innocent, he should have welcomed and cooperated with an investigation from the start, as opposed to obstructing it the last few years. He still has an opportunity to do this, but he won't unless he runs out of Judges willing to delay the inevitable with stays for another day. 

[JustPlaneJane]

Can one of you brain dead libidiots answer a few simple questions?

Did President Donald Trump cooperate with the three year long Mueller Investigation?

Were criminal charges recommended ?

Did President Donald Trump delete 33,000 emails and destroy evidence during the investigation?

Why are liberals so chronically stupid ?