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Re: Bro Science For Capped Delts- Which exercise is better?
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2019, 10:55:08 AM »
Strict Press behind neck was exercise that made most difference for me,I know they can be bad for some people I do then after front presses and with slow negative and pause on the traps so can get away with using lighter weight

Absolutely hate these, but I know everyone's different. I also am not a fan of upright rows. No matter what grip I use, whether I use heavy weight, high volume or strict form, never really feel  anything.  Again, I know some people love these.



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Re: Bro Science For Capped Delts- Which exercise is better?
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2019, 11:10:37 AM »
Of course there's the Pre-Exhause sysyem, which seems to work very well on the delts. It can be applied to other muscle groups also.

When doing a compound exercise like presses behind the neck, a lighter set of a extension (extending away from the body)  movement (lateral raises for example)  are done right before.  Point being to work the lateral head strongly first  and than with the aid of the pressing muscles (mainly the triceps) work the lateral head even more.  There is no rest between these two exercises.  

Can also apply this type Pre-Exhause movement with lateral raises followed by upright rows or even hi-pulls. With hi-pulls, and a wider hand spacing ,the bar will only rise to the lower pec's, but that all one would need. The hi-pull is one of the better delt exercise around.

With front overhead presses, using the Pre-Exhause system can work well. Some will use front BB/DB raises rather that lateral raises. Some have tri setted this while doing front raises, lateral raises and finally front overhead presses. Your choice to which works best for you.  And again, no rest between exercises. 3X8-10 usually, with this protocol being the only direct delt work done in a training session

There is also the Running The Rack system, for some very advanced and painful delt punishment. Either start at the lower end of the DB rack, or at the top weight (for you) db's. . Most guy's start at the higher weighted DB and work their way down until a 10lb db feels like a hundred pounds.. Can either do lateral raises or DB overhead presses....your choice.
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Re: Bro Science For Capped Delts- Which exercise is better?
« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2019, 01:44:17 PM »
Side lateral raises will marginally improve your side delts  but as a single joint movement performed from a position of poor leverage it doesn’t allow you to use much weight. Overhead pressing, a compound movement, will give you solid deltoid development, improve general strength and is clearly the better option if you’re going to choose only one.

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Re: Bro Science For Capped Delts- Which exercise is better?
« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2019, 02:22:34 PM »
the delts are not designed to press overhead

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Re: Bro Science For Capped Delts- Which exercise is better?
« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2019, 02:30:42 PM »
Side lateral raises will marginally improve your side delts  but as a single joint movement performed from a position of poor leverage it doesn’t allow you to use much weight. Overhead pressing, a compound movement, will give you solid deltoid development, improve general strength and is clearly the better option if you’re going to choose only one.

But a "capped" look to the delts is more dependant on rear delt development.

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Re: Bro Science For Capped Delts- Which exercise is better?
« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2019, 02:57:51 PM »
the delts are not designed to press overhead

Nonsense.

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Re: Bro Science For Capped Delts- Which exercise is better?
« Reply #31 on: December 05, 2019, 05:00:26 PM »
But a "capped" look to the delts is more dependant on rear delt development.

The classic bodybuilding routine is to do pressing for front delt development and overall strength and do side and bent laterals for the side and rear heads.

IMO cable rows also hit the rear delts to some extent.

These days I just don’t give enough of a fuck to do all that. I just do one pushing movement for chest, one for Delts, one pulling movement for back and call it a day.

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Re: Bro Science For Capped Delts- Which exercise is better?
« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2019, 05:20:04 PM »
side laterals... 90 degree-ish bend.. one side at a time... front raises... slight bend... one at a time....  quit overhead presses bc shoulders have felt a little more fragile every year.... haven't done them for 3 months.... shoulders look good... no pain anymore...

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Re: Bro Science For Capped Delts- Which exercise is better?
« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2019, 06:05:13 AM »
Nonsense.

tell me of a situation where Neanderthal man would be pressing above his head, delts raise to the side and are used to push outward and down

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Re: Bro Science For Capped Delts- Which exercise is better?
« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2019, 07:11:48 AM »
tell me of a situation where Neanderthal man would be pressing above his head, delts raise to the side and are used to push outward and down

Neanderthal man?  Who gives a f*ck.

Shoulders get messed up by bench pressing too much.

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Re: Bro Science For Capped Delts- Which exercise is better?
« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2019, 08:37:56 AM »
Neanderthal man?  Who gives a f*ck.

Shoulders get messed up by bench pressing too much.
no where near as much as overhead pressing, you will live and learn, most people who have fucked up their shoulders stop doing overhead press, why do you think that is?

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Re: Bro Science For Capped Delts- Which exercise is better?
« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2019, 08:40:44 AM »
no where near as much as overhead pressing, you will live and learn, most people who have fucked up their shoulders stop doing overhead press, why do you think that is?

Actually it's the opposite.  Too little overhead pressing.

However, too much weight too soon and their connective tissues are not ready is also at fault.

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Re: Bro Science For Capped Delts- Which exercise is better?
« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2019, 08:42:51 AM »
Too much weight too soon and their connective tissues are not ready.

because they put the joint in an unnatural angle and add weight.


its not natural to press overhead, your skeltal make up and gravity are evidence of that

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Re: Bro Science For Capped Delts- Which exercise is better?
« Reply #38 on: December 07, 2019, 09:21:32 AM »
because they put the joint in an unnatural angle and add weight.


its not natural to press overhead, your skeltal make up and gravity are evidence of that


Of course it's natural to lift things over your head.

People do it all the time. 

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Re: Bro Science For Capped Delts- Which exercise is better?
« Reply #39 on: December 07, 2019, 09:28:47 AM »
Of course it's natural to lift things over your head.

People do it all the time. 

in nature it never happens

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Re: Bro Science For Capped Delts- Which exercise is better?
« Reply #40 on: December 07, 2019, 09:33:16 AM »
in nature it never happens


Africans never lift things over their head?

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Re: Bro Science For Capped Delts- Which exercise is better?
« Reply #41 on: December 07, 2019, 09:50:07 AM »
Africans never lift things over their head?

africans are natural?

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Re: Bro Science For Capped Delts- Which exercise is better?
« Reply #42 on: December 07, 2019, 07:57:37 PM »
Strict Press behind neck was exercise that made most difference for me,I know they can be bad for some people I do then after front presses and with slow negative and pause on the traps so can get away with using lighter weight

They worked for me as well, but contributed to my bad shoulders ultimately. Those and upright rows.

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Re: Bro Science For Capped Delts- Which exercise is better?
« Reply #43 on: December 07, 2019, 08:50:10 PM »

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Re: Bro Science For Capped Delts- Which exercise is better?
« Reply #44 on: December 08, 2019, 01:21:32 PM »
Something that really helped me was keeping my clavicle depressed throughout the movement.  So many people do kind of a lateral raise + shrug movement to lift more weight and the traps end up bearing most of the load.

Another thing to consider - the lateral delts contract to push the arms OUT and AWAY from the body, not up .. keep that in mind when performing your side delt raises.

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Re: Bro Science For Capped Delts- Which exercise is better?
« Reply #45 on: December 09, 2019, 04:09:07 AM »
The Best routine for me was

Military Press  Standing
Press Behind Neck or Dumbell Press
Side Lateral                                                  *(a)  One Arm Side Lateral                          *(b) Front Lateral
Bent Over Lateral                                          *(a) Lying Side Lateral

Upright Row  or Behind Back Shrug  

Stick with the main routine  but * add in a few extra sets of either (a) or (b)  every third time you train shoulders

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Re: Bro Science For Capped Delts- Which exercise is better?
« Reply #46 on: December 09, 2019, 06:35:16 AM »
The Best routine for me was

Military Press  Standing
Press Behind Neck or Dumbell Press
Side Lateral                                                  *(a)  One Arm Side Lateral                          *(b) Front Lateral
Bent Over Lateral                                          *(a) Lying Side Lateral

Upright Row  or Behind Back Shrug   

Stick with the main routine  but * add in a few extra sets of either (a) or (b)  every third time you train shoulders
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Re: Bro Science For Capped Delts- Which exercise is better?
« Reply #47 on: December 09, 2019, 10:49:55 AM »
The Best routine for me was

Military Press  Standing
Press Behind Neck or Dumbell Press
Side Lateral                                                  *(a)  One Arm Side Lateral                          *(b) Front Lateral
Bent Over Lateral                                          *(a) Lying Side Lateral

Upright Row  or Behind Back Shrug  

Stick with the main routine  but * add in a few extra sets of either (a) or (b)  every third time you train shoulders

Too much shoulder work for me.  Back in the day, I had a shoulder day, but I actually felt like a dedicated day led to diminishing returns.

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Re: Bro Science For Capped Delts- Which exercise is better?
« Reply #48 on: December 09, 2019, 10:55:44 AM »
More than 1 pressing movement is redundant IMO.

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Re: Bro Science For Capped Delts- Which exercise is better?
« Reply #49 on: December 09, 2019, 11:31:19 AM »
Another thing that I believe helped was when triumph gear was popular here the test e 300 was pretty bad for pip and delt always swelled up a bit a few days after injection I believe a few months of this helped via stretching the muscle out similar to the way muscle memory works. Just a theory mite be coincidence but I firmly believe it helped