Ronnie - why doesn’t someone stage an intervention?

[harmankardon1]

I see ronnie has just come out of another surgery...

And is talking about leg pressing to make his legs bigger... Got his priorities straight the guy can't walk, can't feel his legs but wants to leg press for bigger legs FFS....

[kcb5150]

I don't even know how you could have an intervention anymore-at least about painkillers. Literally every disc but one in his spine is herniated. He literally never should have touched a weight again after he lost to cutler...

[Flexacon]

At this stage he is likely just fucking his body up on purpose to get meds to continue feeding his opioid addiction

[IronMagazine.com]

Nothing but a peanut, light weight baby!

[Earl1972]

I bet the HR department feels that way about that woman at work who stuck a fork up your ass!

HR is annoyed by any complaints they get, it's just more work for them

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[Tha Grim Lifter]

Meanwhile Jay Cutler is so much better shape health wise. Maybe volume is the way to go. Then again Yates said if the didn't take it to the limit he wouldn't have been Mr. Olympia.

Dorian didn't really gain much muscle between 1993 and 1997 anyway. He could have lowered the weight a little and done the movements slower and restricted the risk of injuries to a much much lower level. It would have made zero impact on his physique from a muscle gain or maintenance point of view.

[harmankardon1]

Dorian didn't really gain much muscle between 1993 and 1997 anyway. He could have lowered the weight a little and done the movements slower and restricted the risk of injuries to a much much lower level. It would have made zero impact on his physique from a muscle gain or maintenance point of view.

Probably true, but that mind set would have never got him to where he was in 93 ..

It's the same high intensity that he used to build his physique that destroyed it, you cannot have one without the other.

[joswift]

Dorian didn't really gain much muscle between 1993 and 1997 anyway. He could have lowered the weight a little and done the movements slower and restricted the risk of injuries to a much much lower level. It would have made zero impact on his physique from a muscle gain or maintenance point of view.

and balls to the wall training whilst in a deficit isnbt going to make all that much difference, risk reward ratio way too big

[Tha Grim Lifter]

Probably true, but that mind set would have never got him to where he was in 93 ..

It's the same high intensity that he used to build his physique that destroyed it, you cannot have one without the other.

It's the same mindset. You are still going to failure. You are limiting the risk using less weights and concentrating on the muscle. I did it many years ago and totally eliminated any nagging pains I had. If I wanted to go heavier I can and do sometimes.

He's still eating the same, taking the same drugs, resting the same. Where's the muscle going?

[Bevo]

Probably true, but that mind set would have never got him to where he was in 93 ..

It's the same high intensity that he used to build his physique that destroyed it, you cannot have one without the other.

Tell that to Phil..... he’s won, what? 7 titles, same for jay with 4, and Haney with 8

That whole hardcore training with extreme heavy weights is all BS

[JuicedKangaroo]

Tell that to Phil..... he’s won, what? 7 titles, same for jay with 4, and Haney with 8

That whole hardcore training with extreme heavy weights is all BS

Tell that to Ronnie, Dorian etc... Anybody can say that the inverse applies 

When you're genetically gifted and taking boatloads of drugs, high volume and low intensity (versus the inverse) doesn't seem to matter too much. 

[IroNat]

It's the same mindset. You are still going to failure. You are limiting the risk using less weights and concentrating on the muscle. I did it many years ago and totally eliminated any nagging pains I had. If I wanted to go heavier I can and do sometimes.

He's still eating the same, taking the same drugs, resting the same. Where's the muscle going?

Training with 8-12 reps puts you in the 60% of max range.  Much less joint stress.

[Bevo]

Tell that to Ronnie, Dorian etc... Anybody can say that the inverse applies  

When you're genetically gifted and taking boatloads of drugs, high volume and low intensity (versus the inverse) doesn't seem to matter too much.  

So, it doesn’t matter then? You just proved my point

That’s what I meant, the whole heavy training hardcore, branch, Ronnie style doesn’t matter, you can get the same results training like Phil, haney, dexter, jay........

[m8]

I said that a few days ago. Unfortunately I don't think anyone near him really actually gives a fuck. His wife probably encourages him juicing/lifting heavy because it brings more cash through supplement sales and sponsors 

[Thespritz0]

As everyone might know, the minute you mention he lifted far too heavy you just get attacked by immature trolls and it's too bad as Ronnie was a great guy he
could have achieved the SAME victories and stayed out of a wheelchair if he had just watched himself...

[JuicedKangaroo]

So, it doesn’t matter then? You just proved my point

That’s what I meant, the whole heavy training hardcore, branch, Ronnie style doesn’t matter, you can get the same results training like Phil, haney, dexter, jay........

Yes, I agree with your point. It goes both ways, also suggesting that you don't need to train with high volume like Phil, Jay etc either as both seem to work. Lots of people are die-hard for high-volume, especially naturals for some reason.

[harmankardon1]

Tell that to Phil..... he’s won, what? 7 titles, same for jay with 4, and Haney with 8

That whole hardcore training with extreme heavy weights is all BS

Dorian and ronnie BELIEVED that style of training was what they needed to do to win, whether that was actually true is another thing.

[harmankardon1]

So, it doesn’t matter then? You just proved my point

That’s what I meant, the whole heavy training hardcore, branch, Ronnie style doesn’t matter, you can get the same results training like Phil, haney, dexter, jay........

You also cannot rule out the differences between individuals. There are differences in muscle fiber ratios fast to slow twitch, differences in the production of enzymes that drive the energy systems, so you can't just say that anyone will look the same using either method.

[kevcat]

Dorian and ronnie BELIEVED that style of training was what they needed to do to win, whether that was actually true is another thing.

No, I actually believe they just enjoyed training that way. Most of us do, and not everyone is crippled.

Training for me is about going heavy, to failure. I just simply cut out exercises over the years that produced injuries consistently.
Maybe Ronnie doesn't think like that.

But going to a gym to just do some lighter slow reps is not the same fun as going for PB lifts, although I use good form too.

Ronnie obviously just doesn't have the mindset to stop swinging iron around, or the common sense. Im not sure what one.

[njflex]

No, I actually believe they just enjoyed training that way. Most of us do, and not everyone is crippled.

Training for me is about going heavy, to failure. I just simply cut out exercises over the years that produced injuries consistently.
Maybe Ronnie doesn't think like that.

But going to a gym to just do some lighter slow reps is not the same fun as going for PB lifts, although I use good form too.

Ronnie obviously just doesn't have the mindset to stop swinging iron around, or the common sense. Im not sure what one.

This...for most makes sense do what works and once in a while change it up go heavier for few weeks less sets low reps then go back to the norm,so what if nothing changes build wise at least you try a different approach .as for Ronnie stop with the old quotes already and just pump safely and keep some muscle if he can.weird his reign seemed like it was yesterday time flies and as everyone says it’s a temporary muscle suit esp at that size.

[Taffin]

Meanwhile Jay Cutler is so much better shape health wise. Maybe volume is the way to go. Then again Yates said if the didn't take it to the limit he wouldn't have been Mr. Olympia.

Yeah, he seems to be aging well, unlike some other famous 'lifters'....