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Thin Lizzy

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Re: Do you feel better or worse from The vaccine?
« Reply #150 on: July 18, 2021, 10:25:08 AM »
Russians and the Chinese are far more anti vax than people in the West. Not so much because of tinfoil hat type theories. They just don't have much trust in their governments and state funded projects.

This. The people know the government numbers are bullshit. Americans as a group are more gullible:


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-registered-first-covid-vaccine-now-it-s-struggling-vaccinate-n1272092


Covid-19 cases are rising and the government is trying to convince hesitant residents to get a vaccine.


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Re: Do you feel better or worse from The vaccine?
« Reply #151 on: July 18, 2021, 12:57:08 PM »
It is interesting. Also of interest to me is that the side effects are often the same as covid symptoms. Clotting, bleeding, endothelial damage, myocarditis, stroke. All vaccines to date, afaik, present the spike protein to your body in some way.

Don't know what ever happened to the virologist Byram Bridle from Canada. He claimed that the spike protein was toxic, even without the virus attached, and he claimed that it didn't stay localized at the injection site, as advertised. He claimed we've made a big mistake in using the spike protein as a target.

I have no idea if he's right or wrong, but he's not just some internet knucklehead. And it suggests a plausible hypothesis for vaccine side effects mirroring virus symptoms. I haven't seen any discussion about it. Not even one of his ideas being shot to shit. The dude is just gone from the face of the earth. That's interesting. You'd think explosive claims like those would at least yield a hurricane of criticism directed at him and a whole lot of talk about how the spike protein isn't harmful at all.

When all is said and done, given what we know and what we don't know, getting the COVID vaccine is a crap shoot. My age coupled with the fact that I have asthma and a history of bronchial pneumonia, it seemed worth the risk. I didn't have an immediate reaction to the shots and I hope there are no long term side effects other than to keep me from getting COVID. A small bonus was that I got to dispense with mask wearing a little sooner than those who weren't vaccinated. 

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Re: Do you feel better or worse from The vaccine?
« Reply #152 on: July 18, 2021, 02:24:45 PM »
Masks are recommended but not required for the unvaccinated in my state.

How about yours?

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Re: Do you feel better or worse from The vaccine?
« Reply #153 on: July 18, 2021, 03:12:57 PM »
Masks are recommended but not required for the unvaccinated in my state.

How about yours?

Not required with exceptions such as, medical facilities and public transportation. As of June 30th, this applies to vaccinated and unvaccinated folks. Individual businesses make their own requirements if they are stricter than the state mandate.

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Re: Do you feel better or worse from The vaccine?
« Reply #154 on: July 18, 2021, 04:31:06 PM »
that's a frequent feature of capitalism

Don’t disagree but it’s better than Socialism where the government just controls everything.

The problem is with defects in people. So, no system will be perfect with such imperfect creatures.

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Re: Do you feel better or worse from The vaccine?
« Reply #155 on: July 18, 2021, 04:32:30 PM »
Meanwhile in England there’s a Monty Python sketch in progress:



https://thehill.com/policy/international/563573-uks-johnson-reverses-now-will-quarantine-after-covid-19-contact

Johnson’s reversal comes as the country is experiencing an increase in COVID-19 infections in addition to a “pingdemic,” with hundreds of thousands of people receiving notice to quarantine after coming into contact with someone who tested positive for the virus, according to the news service.

As a result, a number of restaurants, car manufacturers and the London subway, in addition to other businesses, are experiencing staff shortages because of the self-isolation guidelines, the AP noted.

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Re: Do you feel better or worse from The vaccine?
« Reply #156 on: July 18, 2021, 06:49:17 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong.  Now we are learning that even people that are fully vaccinated by this hastily implemented experimental gene therapy.....

A.  Can still get Covid 19

and

B.  Can still transmit Covid 19

So now the talking points are...."Well, yeah but if you get vaccinated your chances of being hospitalized and/or dying from it are greatly reduced".

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Re: Do you feel better or worse from The vaccine?
« Reply #157 on: July 18, 2021, 06:57:15 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong.  Now we are learning that even people that are fully vaccinated by this hastily implemented experimental gene therapy.....

A.  Can still get Covid 19

and

B.  Can still transmit Covid 19

So now the talking points are...."Well, yeah but if you get vaccinated your chances of being hospitalized and/or dying from it are greatly reduced".

Odd...It's just like getting a flu shot where you can still get the flu.  I still maintain this virus is bullshit.  If it were really deadly then the libcucks would be extinct.

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Re: Do you feel better or worse from The vaccine?
« Reply #158 on: July 18, 2021, 09:05:20 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong.  Now we are learning that even people that are fully vaccinated by this hastily implemented experimental gene therapy.....

A.  Can still get Covid 19

and

B.  Can still transmit Covid 19

So now the talking points are...."Well, yeah but if you get vaccinated your chances of being hospitalized and/or dying from it are greatly reduced".

This has been the line of thought since a few months already. At that time they claimed 100% success in preventing "serious illness." Now I read somewhere that there are tons of seriously ill patients who have been vaccinated. I don't know what the case is in reality, so much conflicting info. I do know that my vaccinated mother was in contact with me when I got sick but didn't get any symptoms.

Odd...It's just like getting a flu shot where you can still get the flu.  I still maintain this virus is bullshit.  If it were really deadly then the libcucks would be extinct.

It's not very deadly, everyone admits that. It doesn't have to be to wreck havoc. But it appears to be a bit nastier than the regular flu or whatever. I certainly wish I never contracted it. And I doubt anyone here would volunteer to get it, just to be able to say how much of "bullshit"" it is. Some who suspect biowarfare say Covid is ideal for biowarfare, don't make it extremely deadly but just nasty enough to suck up a lot of resources.


Now consider this. Let's say it turns out it escaped from a lab, where it was specifically engineered to be highly contagious as well as particularly good at attacking those
 ACE2 receptors in human lung tissue, then what? Will the Covid skeptics go, "that's allright dear Chinaman, it's really nothing, thank God you failed at making a serious virus to be concerned about, and thanks to you Fauci as well for funding this innocuos research."

No, people will get angry and will be looking for someone to blame ("even if the virus might not even be real, those damn Chinese did something that fucked up the world" Lol).

I only now just read this article, which was linked here before; an interesting read even if one is not a scientist who is familiar with viruses.

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/

But what would it require to get proof, one way or the other? Probably needs a whistleblower from "the inside."

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Re: Do you feel better or worse from The vaccine?
« Reply #159 on: July 18, 2021, 09:30:31 PM »
This has been the line of thought since a few months already. At that time they claimed 100% success in preventing "serious illness." Now I read somewhere that there are tons of seriously ill patients who have been vaccinated. I don't know what the case is in reality, so much conflicting info. I do know that my vaccinated mother was in contact with me when I got sick but didn't get any symptoms.

It's not very deadly, everyone admits that. It doesn't have to be to wreck havoc. But it appears to be a bit nastier than the regular flu or whatever. I certainly wish I never contracted it. And I doubt anyone here would volunteer to get it, just to be able to say how much of "bullshit"" it is. Some who suspect biowarfare say Covid is ideal for biowarfare, don't make it extremely deadly but just nasty enough to suck up a lot of resources.


Now consider this. Let's say it turns out it escaped from a lab, where it was specifically engineered to be highly contagious as well as particularly good at attacking those
 ACE2 receptors in human lung tissue, then what? Will the Covid skeptics go, "that's allright dear Chinaman, it's really nothing, thank God you failed at making a serious virus to be concerned about, and thanks to you Fauci as well for funding this innocuos research."

No, people will get angry and will be looking for someone to blame ("even if the virus might not even be real, those damn Chinese did something that fucked up the world" Lol).

I only now just read this article, which was linked here before; an interesting read even if one is not a scientist who is familiar with viruses.

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/

But what would it require to get proof, one way or the other? Probably needs a whistleblower from "the inside."
If it is proved the wuhan lab is the source China, Fauci, gates, and any other investors or politicians who made it possible all need to be charged with wrongful death law suits

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Re: Do you feel better or worse from The vaccine?
« Reply #160 on: July 18, 2021, 09:35:07 PM »
When all is said and done, given what we know and what we don't know, getting the COVID vaccine is a crap shoot. My age coupled with the fact that I have asthma and a history of bronchial pneumonia, it seemed worth the risk. I didn't have an immediate reaction to the shots and I hope there are no long term side effects other than to keep me from getting COVID. A small bonus was that I got to dispense with mask wearing a little sooner than those who weren't vaccinated.

Again, I don't see social benefits/punishments as relevant, except insofar as their use wouldn't be necessary for wide adoption of a kickass product. I'll base my decision exclusively on information relating to safety, efficacy, and medical necessity. I didn't give the big bully kid my lunch money back in school, and I'm not starting now.

Other things I really don't like the look of include: Previous censorship of dissenting opinions from wholly reputable people. Government calls for even more censorship. The gigantic pool of people, who we keep pretending don't exist, who have stories of bad reactions to the shot. The same people being told by their doctor that the cause of their problems can't be the vaccine. This group now includes my own mother. No discussion permitted about antivirals, even by practicing MDs and researchers. No discussion permitted about possibilities of ADE. No discussion about the cause breakthrough cases. Definitely no talk about whether the spike protein itself is problematic. No explanations put forward to explain the side effects which so many seem to experience.

Around here, I've got members of parliment who ignore emails about proposed vaccine legislation. I've got a state health department who says they don't have any studies or trials to show me which form the basis for their recommendation to legislators to pass covid vaccine mandates, and I need to contact the federal health authority for that. I've got a federal health authority which doesn't reply to emails and cannot be reached by phone. Their internal technical advisory group also does not reply to emails and can't be reached by phone. And I've got a slew of organizations which either can't or won't comment on the legislation of vaccine mandates, including labor unions, the human rights commission, the labor law omnibudsman, the medical ethics department of the Australian Medical Association, legal aid, and several very expensive lawyers who don't return messages inquiring about the legality of such proposed laws. I mention this to illustrate that, when I say I can't find much in the way of discussion or information, I don't mean "I googled it, ya know, but nothing came up." No, I've contacted everyone. Ev-er-y-one. I got bupkiss.

So why all the foilhat? Well, shit. I was 51% yes on vax. They can still get me back to that if I start seeing information I believe in. But right now, not so much. Sadly, it doesn't look like happening.

I'm still glad my dad got it. Mom, idk.

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Re: Do you feel better or worse from The vaccine?
« Reply #161 on: July 19, 2021, 02:52:20 AM »
A lot of experts are predicting that the vaxed will be dropping like flies in the next 2-3 years due to spike proteins causing havoc all over. Lots of videos on bitchute

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Re: Do you feel better or worse from The vaccine?
« Reply #162 on: July 19, 2021, 04:29:06 AM »
Which experts? I'd welcome some links which are heavy on observations and findings, studies, etc.

Not to seem ungrateful, bro. I just need stuff that's got data which everyone can agree upon as being genuine, even if interpretations differ. I may have to present it to a skeptical state health authority. I'm trying to put together the best case I can for keeping vaccination voluntary.

There's a sentence I never foresaw having to write.

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Re: Do you feel better or worse from The vaccine?
« Reply #163 on: July 19, 2021, 04:37:26 AM »
A lot of experts are predicting that the vaxed will be dropping like flies in the next 2-3 years due to spike proteins causing havoc all over. Lots of videos on bitchute
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_denialism_in_South_Africa

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Re: Do you feel better or worse from The vaccine?
« Reply #164 on: July 19, 2021, 05:13:26 AM »
::)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_denialism_in_South_Africa

I get it. You fall for every big Pharma scam. It’s been 35 years and we’re still waiting for the “explosion” into the heterosexual population.

The way it worked in Africa is that they tested malnourished people who came of positive and then were labeled as having AIDS and are treated with various drugs like AZT.

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Re: Do you feel better or worse from The vaccine?
« Reply #165 on: July 19, 2021, 05:36:36 AM »
someone on youtube commenting on the covid 19 pandemic:

Ten years from now you'll put on a jacket you've uncovered at the back of a cupboard and find a mask in the pocket. "Oh man, what a weird year that was", you'll chuckle to yourself. Then you'll pick up your machete and continue across the wasteland, keeping to the shadows to avoid the roving gangs of cannibal raiders.

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Re: Do you feel better or worse from The vaccine?
« Reply #166 on: July 19, 2021, 08:02:14 AM »
Vaccinated people now make up almost 47% of all new Covid cases, symptom-tracking app claims amid signs Britain’s third Covid wave may have peaked already

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9790999/Symptom-tracking-app-claims-number-people-falling-ill-virus-day-FALLEN.html

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Re: Do you feel better or worse from The vaccine?
« Reply #167 on: July 19, 2021, 08:13:18 AM »
What ever happened to "Herd Immunity" ?


LOL


what a farce this whole shit is

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Re: Do you feel better or worse from The vaccine?
« Reply #168 on: July 19, 2021, 09:25:12 AM »
When all is said and done, given what we know and what we don't know, getting the COVID vaccine is a crap shoot.


Odds to the good in a game of craps is not nearly 99.8% or whatever the actual number is.  ::)

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Re: Do you feel better or worse from The vaccine?
« Reply #169 on: July 19, 2021, 09:54:06 AM »
I feel totally fine. No issues whatsoever.

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Re: Do you feel better or worse from The vaccine?
« Reply #170 on: July 19, 2021, 10:23:21 AM »
Masks are recommended but not required for the unvaccinated in my state.

How about yours?
Went to a Chinese restaurant for lunch today.  All the Chinese were wearing masks and all the white people (customers) were not.

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Re: Do you feel better or worse from The vaccine?
« Reply #171 on: July 19, 2021, 10:36:45 AM »
Vaccinated people now make up almost 47% of all new Covid cases, symptom-tracking app claims amid signs Britain’s third Covid wave may have peaked already

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9790999/Symptom-tracking-app-claims-number-people-falling-ill-virus-day-FALLEN.html

CNBC  just reported that 60% of the UK’s new hospitalized patients are fully vaccinated.

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Re: Do you feel better or worse from The vaccine?
« Reply #172 on: July 19, 2021, 11:57:29 AM »
Went to a Chinese restaurant for lunch today.  All the Chinese were wearing masks and all the white people (customers) were not.

Probably all Chinese spys.

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Re: Do you feel better or worse from The vaccine?
« Reply #173 on: July 19, 2021, 12:12:41 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong.  Now we are learning that even people that are fully vaccinated by this hastily implemented experimental gene therapy.....

A.  Can still get Covid 19

and

B.  Can still transmit Covid 19

So now the talking points are...."Well, yeah but if you get vaccinated your chances of being hospitalized and/or dying from it are greatly reduced".

Exactly right. Not getting sick enough to require hospitalization or die from COVID is great. Maybe not as great as not getting COVID at all. I believe this applies to the Delta mutation of the virus only. Unless I have this wrong, one is 90% or more protected from the other COVID types. More worrisome is the fact that COVID continues to mutate and the mutations may or may not be affected by the current vaccines. Clearly COVID is a very nasty virus.....which at this point seems destined to take a lot of people out.

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Re: Do you feel better or worse from The vaccine?
« Reply #174 on: July 19, 2021, 12:23:00 PM »
CNBC  just reported that 60% of the UK’s new hospitalized patients are fully vaccinated.

Haha I just looked that up it was on sky news also what a heap of fucking shit more people in hospital vaccinated than not didnt they say after it became apparent you could still catch rona  after the vaccine “well it means you less likley to be hospitalised” how they going to excuse this shit