As much shit as people talk about Shawn Ray, he's 56, older than Dex, looks much healthier AND bigger off gear, in fact looks healthier and younger than top pros like Ramy here who is 20 years younger than him, and beat Dexter and all the greats except Dorian(who he should have beat in 94) in their prime in what everyone calls the toughest era, the 90s. No major injuries, no major health scares, nothing. Guys pushing 60 years old, and doesn't get any props for showing how pro bodybuilding is supposed to be done. No gurus, no fuckin coach, no bullshit. Who cares if he's a dick or whatever, when it comes to bodybuilding, Shawn Ray is top of the food chain if you count health and longevity.