Family sues hospital to allow administration of Ivermectin to save their father

[Grape Ape]

Hockey game is over, because you are answering other posts, howard - can you address Tape's question.

[Howard]

Hockey game is over, because you are answering other posts, howard - can you address Tape's question.

I could, but let's just get real here.

1. I'll provide a serious reply and give my logic and science based reasons for it.

2. Some make good counter points based on reasonable assumptions.
It makes for an interesting exchange of ideas, but, nobody changes their position .

3. Most use their reply to make insults and promote some wacky conspiracy, etc.
   
Conclusion - This kind of debate interaction, ends up getting old for me. Sincerely posting
reliable, credible info that dares to disagree with the conspiracy agenda is quickly ridiculed.

After my initial disbelief , I laugh and then realize they might be seriously misguided  or  trolling.

LOL, sorry for the rambling "non-answer" but suffice to say, I've had enough for now with this interaction.

PS/ yes, I know, nobody made me post a reply and get into this thread, BUT, I'm getting out now.

Thanks for understanding.

[Grape Ape]

I could, but let's just get real here.

1. I'll provide a serious reply and give my logic and science based reasons for it.

2. Some make good counter points based on reasonable assumptions.
It makes for an interesting exchange of ideas, but, nobody changes their position .

3. Most use their reply to make insults and promote some wacky conspiracy, etc.
   
Conclusion - This kind of debate for me, ends up getting old for me. Sincerely posting
reliable, credible info that dares to disagree with the conspiracy agenda is quickly ridiculed.

After my initial disbelief , I laugh and then realize they might be seriously misguided  or  trolling.

LOL, sorry for the rambling "non-answer" but suffice to say, I've had enough for now with this interaction.

PS/ yes, I know, nobody made me post a reply and get into this thread, BUT, I'm getting out now.

Thanks for understanding.

This is complete horseshit. It's your way of avoiding admitting you've been making incorrect statements.

You had no problem continuing other conversations in the same thread that fit the criteria above.

The difference is tape wasn't going to let you just ignore it.

[Howard]

This is complete horseshit. It's your way of avoiding admitting you've been making incorrect statements.

You had no problem continuing other conversations in the same thread that fit the criteria above.

The difference is tape wasn't going to let you just ignore it.

THAT reply is exactly why I terminated my serious answers in this thread.

[OAK]

I could, but let's just get real here.

1. I'll provide a serious reply and give my logic and science based reasons for it.

2. Some make good counter points based on reasonable assumptions.
It makes for an interesting exchange of ideas, but, nobody changes their position .

3. Most use their reply to make insults and promote some wacky conspiracy, etc.
   
Conclusion - This kind of debate interaction, ends up getting old for me. Sincerely posting
reliable, credible info that dares to disagree with the conspiracy agenda is quickly ridiculed.

After my initial disbelief , I laugh and then realize they might be seriously misguided  or  trolling.

LOL, sorry for the rambling "non-answer" but suffice to say, I've had enough for now with this interaction.

PS/ yes, I know, nobody made me post a reply and get into this thread, BUT, I'm getting out now.

Thanks for understanding.

Great post!

I couldn’t have said it better myself.

👍

[Howard]

Great post!

I couldn’t have said it better myself.

👍

Thanks!

Ya know I've actually been back/forth on get big since it's inception over 20 years ago.
Crazy ideas and funny cracks were always part of its' appeal and entertainment.

I'm secure enough to acknowledge worthy counter points in any thread topic.
Suffice to say, I've endured numerous insults and silly ridicule to my posts.

However, in recent times, it's gone from (mostly) humor based insults to
hate filled, personal attacks with promoting wacky conspiracy theories.

THat gets old fast and I don't want to bother getting involved any longer.
It's like watching a couple spoiled brats fighting over who farted first LOL

[deadz]

Thanks!

Ya know I've actually been back/forth on get big since it's inception over 20 years ago.
Crazy ideas and funny cracks were always part of its' appeal and entertainment.

I'm secure enough to acknowledge worthy counter points in any thread topic.
Suffice to say, I've endured numerous insults and silly ridicule to my posts.

However, in recent times, it's gone from (mostly) humor based insults to
hate filled, personal attacks with promoting wacky conspiracy theories.

THat gets old fast and I don't want to bother getting involved any longer.
It's like watching a couple spoiled brats fighting over who farted first LOL

Leave, Smuck!

[OAK]

This is complete horseshit. It's your way of avoiding admitting you've been making incorrect statements.

You had no problem continuing other conversations in the same thread that fit the criteria above.

The difference is tape wasn't going to let you just ignore it.

[OAK]

Thanks!

Ya know I've actually been back/forth on get big since it's inception over 20 years ago.
Crazy ideas and funny cracks were always part of its' appeal and entertainment.

I'm secure enough to acknowledge worthy counter points in any thread topic.
Suffice to say, I've endured numerous insults and silly ridicule to my posts.

However, in recent times, it's gone from (mostly) humor based insults to
hate filled, personal attacks with promoting wacky conspiracy theories.

THat gets old fast and I don't want to bother getting involved any longer.
It's like watching a couple spoiled brats fighting over who farted first LOL

Yeah me too! I remember you from the old www.ironage.us site.

Keep up the good work!

 

[Grape Ape]

THAT reply is exactly why I terminated my serious answers in this thread.

Not buying it.  You were given plenty of cordial opportunities to respond.  Neither myself or Tape ever start a discussion with insults.

You're running interference.

If it wasn't a consistent pattern, you'd be given the benefit of the doubt, but it a known behavior at this point - you attack the posts you think you're right in, and avoid the ones where you should be admitting a mistake.

[Tapeworm]

Well this is disappointing.

[Dave D]

Thanks!

Ya know I've actually been back/forth on get big since it's inception over 20 years ago.
Crazy ideas and funny cracks were always part of its' appeal and entertainment.

I'm secure enough to acknowledge worthy counter points in any thread topic.
Suffice to say, I've endured numerous insults and silly ridicule to my posts.

However, in recent times, it's gone from (mostly) humor based insults to
hate filled, personal attacks with promoting wacky conspiracy theories.

THat gets old fast and I don't want to bother getting involved any longer.
It's like watching a couple spoiled brats fighting over who farted first LOL

So you’re leaving this thread until someone agrees with you….
👍

[Soul Crusher]

Yeah me too! I remember you from the old www.ironage.us site.

Keep up the good work!

 

Hi Howard.

[Howard]

Not buying it.  You were given plenty of cordial opportunities to respond.  Neither myself or Tape ever start a discussion with insults.

You're running interference.

If it wasn't a consistent pattern, you'd be given the benefit of the doubt, but it a known behavior at this point - you attack the posts you think you're right in, and avoid the ones where you should be admitting a mistake.

Ok Grape,  I'm just sick and tired of trying to debate people with crazy opinions.

The absurd conspiracy theories and secret GOV banned meds  crap, is total nonsense.

Having said THAT, you and any others are free to treat yourself on your own terms.
Just don't complain when a hospital refuses to treat someone with an unauthorized  magic pill.

.

[Howard]

So you’re leaving this thread until someone agrees with you….
👍

LOL, good one .

But seriously, it's pointless to continue.

I've given my side and your side has done the same.
You think I'm  a naive fool and I think your side's opinion is nonsense.

[Tapeworm]

So you’re leaving this thread until someone agrees with you….
👍

No. Come on, now. Howard is right. We can't discuss research when people are emotional.

Howard, I'm sorry that I posted an Ivermectin study while you were trying to watch a hockey game. It was insensitive of me.

I think everyone here owes Howard an apology. A man admits when he's wrong. Come on, you guys. Sincere and from the heart. Don't make me call on you.

[Howard]

No. Come on, now. Howard is right. We can't discuss research when people are emotional.

Howard, I'm sorry that I posted an Ivermectin study while you were trying to watch a hockey game. It was insensitive of me.

I think everyone here owes Howard an apology. A man admits when he's wrong. Come on, you guys. Sincere and from the heart. Don't make me call on you.

Well played Sir...well played 

THAT reply is why I keep "cumming " back to getbig.

[Tapeworm]

Thank you, Howard. I hope we can foster one another's emotional well being again in the future.



Come on, people. It takes a village to apologize to Howard.

[Grape Ape]

Ok Grape,  I'm just sick and tired of trying to debate people with crazy opinions.

The absurd conspiracy theories and secret GOV banned meds  crap, is total nonsense.

Having said THAT, you and any others are free to treat yourself on your own terms.
Just don't complain when a hospital refuses to treat someone with an unauthorized  magic pill.

.

When you make a claim about a medication, and the response contains a link countering that from the US National Library of Medicine
National Institutes of Health, it is not a crazy opinion or conspiracy theory.

When you make a comment about off brand drug use, and someone responds with a link from the FDA correcting you, it is not a crazy opinion or conspiracy theory.

Nobody  called ivermectin a magic pill, or that it would even work.  It was called a risk free option to try, based on actual data.

[Dave D]

When you make a claim about a medication, and the response contains a link countering that from the US National Library of Medicine
National Institutes of Health, it is not a crazy opinion or conspiracy theory.

When you make a comment about off brand drug use, and someone responds with a link from the FDA correcting you, it is not a crazy opinion or conspiracy theory.

Grape it is a conspiracy theory if CNN doesn't validate the research.

And dont bother pointing out their medical expert/in house doctor flipped on this issue when he was confronted about the science behind it on Joe Rogan's podcast....

[Howard]

When you make a claim about a medication, and the response contains a link countering that from the US National Library of Medicine
National Institutes of Health, it is not a crazy opinion or conspiracy theory.

When you make a comment about off brand drug use, and someone responds with a link from the FDA correcting you, it is not a crazy opinion or conspiracy theory.

Nobody  called ivermectin a magic pill, or that it would even work.  It was called a risk free option to try, based on actual data.

Fair enough.

If YOU and some others think ivermectin is a possible covid treatment, have at it.
I remain unconvinced and don't agree.

Perhaps,you remember or know of the " Cybergenics" system. ( early 90's)
It was promoted by national BB champ and IFBB pro, Franco Santorello ( sp?)
It was huge national ad campaign on TV , years before the internet and social media.

All Cybergenics really was is a few bottles of herbs and vitamins with training  program booklet .
The kit had a few bucks of product and  sold for 10x it's actual value. It was a con.

Plenty of smart, hard training guys and gals paid decent $$ for a Cybergenics kit.
They weren't dumb or crazy, but, for whatever reasons , got duped .

People want to believe there is a secret product  the GOV is hiding from the public.
Basic , honest, harsh reality is a bummer and doesn't give a lot of people hope.
It's understandable  to believe, something "better" must be out there.

The truth is the covid  vaccines and proven treatments, like monoclonal antibodies
are as good as it gets.

So Grape, this  list of "alternative covid cures" are just modern snake oil sales.

[Grape Ape]

Fair enough.

If YOU and some others think ivermectin is a possible covid treatment, have at it.
I remain unconvinced and don't find the "research" backing it to be credible.

Perhaps,you remember or know of the " Cybergenics" system. ( early 90's)
It was promoted by national BB champ and IFBB pro, Franco Santorello ( sp?)
It was huge national ad campaign on TV , years before the internet and social media.

All Cybergenics really was is a few bottles of herbs and vitamins with a basic  training & diet program booklet .
They added a cheap plastic caliper to measure skin fold thickness ( body fat % ).
The kit had a few bucks of product and  sold for 10x it's actual value. It was a con.

Plenty of smart, hard training guys and gals paid decent $$ for a Cybergenics kit.
They weren't dumb or crazy, but, for whatever reasons , got duped .

People want to believe there is a secret product  the GOV is hiding from the public.
Basic , honest, harsh reality is a bummer and doesn't give a lot of people hope.
It's understandable  to believe, something "better" must be out there.

The truth is the covid  vaccines and proven treatments, like monoclonal antibodies
are as good as it gets.

So Grape, this  list of "alternative covid cures" are just modern snake oil sales.
The names and  situation change, but the basic con, remains the same.

I'm absolutely not convinced Ivermectin is effective.

But am more concerned why it's being dismissed.  The creator of ivermectin's video was pulled from youtube, a drug that he won a nobel prize for.  False narratives are being created by the media (Rolling Stone/Maddow - Overdoses clogging the hospital!), pharmacies are refusing to fill scripts prescribed by doctors.

The way we get there is by letting the scientific community do what it does - question and discuss everything.  There are many, many real doctors who believe in this stuff, it WAS in the zpacks given out in India during the D surge.  The stifling of this is only creating more distrust and divisiveness.

But comparing ivermectin, as nobel prize winning drug prescribed to billions SAFELY, with proven anti-viral abilities, with a supplement scam from the 90s is completely apples and oranges.

[OAK]

I'm absolutely not convinced Ivermectin is effective.

But am more concerned why it's being dismissed.  The creator of ivermectin's video was pulled from youtube, a drug that he won a nobel prize for.  False narratives are being created by the media (Rolling Stone/Maddow - Overdoses clogging the hospital!), pharmacies are refusing to fill scripts prescribed by doctors.

The way we get there is by letting the scientific community do what it does - question and discuss everything.  There are many, many real doctors who believe in this stuff, it WAS in the zpacks given out in India during the D surge.  The stifling of this is only creating more distrust and divisiveness.

But comparing ivermectin, as nobel prize winning drug prescribed to billions SAFELY, with proven anti-viral abilities, with a supplement scam from the 90s is completely apples and oranges.

Who needs science when we have this guy.

😆😆😆

[OAK]

Hahaha.....I can't stop laughing.

This guy is EVERY antivaxxer I ever met!

🐑🐑🐑

[Hypertrophy]

Hahaha.....I can't stop laughing.

This guy is EVERY antivaxxer I ever met!

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Man Howard, how do you change from your OAK gimmick so quickly, lol.