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Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code
« on: December 29, 2021, 11:24:16 AM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Code
The ten points of the code were given in the section of the judges' verdict entitled "Permissible Medical Experiments":[6]

The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; No jab , no job and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment. Side effects not explained The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. Drug companies absolved of any responsibility due to adverse effects It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.[13]

The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
Treatments like Ivermectin ignored
The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation no vaccine trials on Animals prior to roll out and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.

The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
Experimental vaccine given alongside a barrage of media propaganda
No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.

The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment. Children who are at almost zero risk from covid being vaccinated

Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.

The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. Volunteers administering vaccines The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.

During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
Forced Bosters or classed as unvaccinated
During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.
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Re: Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2021, 12:41:15 PM »
LOL not even one of those points would apply.

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Re: Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2021, 02:25:24 PM »
Sounds like Al is about to get booster #2.

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Re: Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2021, 02:28:49 PM »
LOL not even one of those points would apply.

Its an experimental vaccine and people havent been given informed consent

Thats two for starters.

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Re: Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2021, 03:19:49 PM »
Its an experimental vaccine and people havent been given informed consent

Thats two for starters.

But..but..people are dying...

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Re: Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2021, 03:24:51 PM »
Its an experimental vaccine and people havent been given informed consent

Thats two for starters.

What makes it experimental?

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Re: Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2021, 03:45:23 PM »
What makes it experimental?
It hasnt been tested on animals

Its a trial until 2023.

The roll out started at the same time as the trial...

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Re: Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2021, 03:50:14 PM »
What makes it experimental?

"Japan places myocarditis warning on vaccines"

"Japan announces public and private sectors cannot discriminate against those refusing experimental injections"

So why don't you ask the Japanese fckng government why they claim they're experimental lol....


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Re: Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2021, 04:18:55 PM »
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/news-events/role-animal-research-mrna-covid-19-vaccine-development

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/10/fact-check-pfizer-moderna-johnson-johnson-covid-vaccines-animal-studies/8262536002/

https://www.efpia.eu/news-events/the-efpia-view/blog-articles/fitting-vaccine-research-into-one-year-were-animals-used/
While usually regulators require that the industry shows a product is safe in animals before it goes to clinical trials, for COVID-19 vaccines, regulators accepted that preclinical studies could be conducted in some cases in parallel to the first clinical studies to save time considering the urgent need for COVID-19 vaccines.

so they were used on people the same time they were used on animals?

And I notice you avoided the "trial" part of my post as you are aware that is correct..

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Re: Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2021, 04:20:26 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Code
The ten points of the code were given in the section of the judges' verdict entitled "Permissible Medical Experiments":[6]

The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; No jab , no job and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment. Side effects not explained The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. Drug companies absolved of any responsibility due to adverse effects It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.[13]

The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
Treatments like Ivermectin ignored
The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation no vaccine trials on Animals prior to roll out and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.

The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
Experimental vaccine given alongside a barrage of media propaganda
No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.

The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment. Children who are at almost zero risk from covid being vaccinated

Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.

The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. Volunteers administering vaccines The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.

During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
Forced Bosters or classed as unvaccinated
During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.
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were you forced to get the vaccine?

I'm assuming your answer is no


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Re: Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2021, 04:22:06 PM »
LOL not even one of those points would apply.

So being threatened with the loss of your livelihood over a private medical decision not to take a rushed not-vaccine for a virus that is 99.99% survivable for healthy non-obese people under age 65 that requires signing a waiver to get it doesn't count as "duress" under the definition of this code?:

The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; No jab , no job

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Re: Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2021, 04:24:10 PM »
were you forced to get the vaccine?

I'm assuming your answer is no

No, but my life will be limited by my decision not to have it
Basic human rights afforded to others

Thats coercion which is a breach of the Nurenberg code

Any medical procedure requires consent, even life saving heart surgery requires a consent form.
You also have the freedom to decline medical treatment under article 8 of the human Rights Act

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Re: Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2021, 04:35:25 PM »
Does anyone know if they're working on a covid vaccine that actually works? Had a vaxed employee spread covid to my entire sales staff last week.

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Re: Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2021, 04:35:33 PM »
What do you lefty-lib morons not understand about "Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)"?

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Re: Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2021, 04:38:25 PM »
What do you lefty-lib morons not understand about "Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)"?

They think not but instead, only "feeeeeeeeeeeeeeel".  People suffer at the whim of idiots like the President and his coWhorts.  I know.

FTN.

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Re: Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2021, 04:40:05 PM »
While usually regulators require that the industry shows a product is safe in animals before it goes to clinical trials, for COVID-19 vaccines, regulators accepted that preclinical studies could be conducted in some cases in parallel to the first clinical studies to save time considering the urgent need for COVID-19 vaccines.

so they were used on people the same time they were used on animals?

And I notice you avoided the "trial" part of my post as you are aware that is correct..

Incorrect. From one of the links you quoted:

https://www.efpia.eu/news-events/the-efpia-view/blog-articles/fitting-vaccine-research-into-one-year-were-animals-used/
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While usually regulators require that the industry shows a product is safe in animals before it goes to clinical trials, for COVID-19 vaccines, regulators accepted that preclinical studies could be conducted in some cases in parallel to the first clinical studies to save time considering the urgent need for COVID-19 vaccines.

The animal testing was conducted in parallel with CLINICAL STUDIES, not during consumer rollout, CLINICAL STUDIES. Animal testing for all vaccines on the market is complete.

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Re: Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code
« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2021, 04:43:54 PM »
Incorrect. From one of the links you quoted:

https://www.efpia.eu/news-events/the-efpia-view/blog-articles/fitting-vaccine-research-into-one-year-were-animals-used/
The animal testing was conducted in parallel with CLINICAL STUDIES, not during consumer rollout, CLINICAL STUDIES. Animal testing for all vaccines on the market is complete.
Study Type  :   Observational
Estimated Enrollment  :   999 participants
Observational Model:   Case-Control
Time Perspective:   Retrospective
Official Title:   Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 BNT162b2 Vaccine Effectiveness Study - Kaiser Per-manente Southern California
Actual Study Start Date  :   May 15, 2021
Estimated Primary Completion Date  :   April 1, 2022
Estimated Study Completion Date  :   July 30, 2023
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04848584

The vaccine was rolled out in the UK on the 6th December 2020

https://www.pfizer.com/science/coronavirus/vaccine/about-our-landmark-trial
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The Phase 3 clinical trial was designed to determine if the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine is safe and effective in preventing COVID-19 disease. This trial began July 27, 2020, and completed enrollment of 46,331 participants in January 2021. On November 18, Pfizer and BioNTech announced that, after conducting the primary efficacy analysis, their mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccine met all of the study’s primary efficacy endpoints. On December 2, 2020, the Medicines & Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) in the U.K. authorized the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for emergency use, marking the first Emergency Use Authorization following a worldwide Phase 3 trial of a vaccine to help fight the pandemic. Shortly after on December 11, 2020, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) authorized the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for emergency use.

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Re: Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code
« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2021, 04:54:51 PM »
Study Type  :   Observational
Estimated Enrollment  :   999 participants
Observational Model:   Case-Control
Time Perspective:   Retrospective
Official Title:   Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 BNT162b2 Vaccine Effectiveness Study - Kaiser Per-manente Southern California
Actual Study Start Date  :   May 15, 2021
Estimated Primary Completion Date  :   April 1, 2022
Estimated Study Completion Date  :   July 30, 2023
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04848584

The vaccine was rolled out in the UK on the 6th December 2020

https://www.pfizer.com/science/coronavirus/vaccine/about-our-landmark-trial
The reason the study started after consumer rollout is because it is gauging whether a SECOND ROUND of vaccinations decreases hospitalizations. From the link you posted:

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The primary objective of this study is to determine the vaccine effectiveness (VE) of 2-doses of Pfizer's BNT162b2 vaccine against COVID-19-associated hospitalization. In addition, VE of 1 dose and at least one dose will be determined.

In other words, it is testing the efficacy of booster shots.

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Re: Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code
« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2021, 04:57:21 PM »
You'll get nowhere because neither of you is forming a good faith argument.

"It's wrong because it's coercive."
"Threatening people with bad consequences isn't coercive."

1, Yes it is.
2, We all accept that the use of force by the state is justified in some circumstances.

So:
Is it justified here at all?
If so, how much is justified?

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Re: Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2021, 05:01:19 PM »
I read an article today saying that migrants in Europe aren’t being offered the jab because of fears of being sued over the side effects of the jab.

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Re: Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code
« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2021, 05:13:37 PM »
https://nationalpost.com/health/canadian-divorce-courts-come-down-hard-on-anti-vaccine-parents-who-deny-covid-19-pandemic

An antivaxxer mother tried to you use the Nuremburg Code as a defense for not vaccinating their child.

She lost big time...the judge made a fool out of her.

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Re: Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code
« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2021, 05:19:57 PM »
were you forced to get the vaccine?

I'm assuming your answer is no

Apparently you don't see what's been going on in Australia and NYC

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Re: Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code
« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2021, 05:23:57 PM »
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/news-events/role-animal-research-mrna-covid-19-vaccine-development

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/10/fact-check-pfizer-moderna-johnson-johnson-covid-vaccines-animal-studies/8262536002/

https://www.efpia.eu/news-events/the-efpia-view/blog-articles/fitting-vaccine-research-into-one-year-were-animals-used/

Maybe you can post up the long term effects of any of these. How about some long term clinical trials? How about that the deaths from these experimental "vaccines" in the last 10 months are damn near 10 fold of any other vaccine in at least the last 10 years and climbing.

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Re: Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code
« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2021, 05:27:23 PM »
Maybe you can post up the long term effects of any of these. How about some long term clinical trials? How about that the deaths from these experimental "vaccines" in the last 10 months are damn near 10 fold of any other vaccine in at least the last 10 years and climbing.

A parent tried that exact same defense hear for not vaccinating their child.....the judge ruled against them!

https://nationalpost.com/health/canadian-divorce-courts-come-down-hard-on-anti-vaccine-parents-who-deny-covid-19-pandemic

Hahaha....antivaxxers lose again!!!!