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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #2025 on: June 11, 2022, 10:59:43 AM »
More weapons and money isn't going to change a thing.
It just prolongs it and makes the world swamp richer.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #2026 on: June 11, 2022, 04:57:58 PM »
More weapons and money isn't going to change a thing.

Exactly right.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #2027 on: June 11, 2022, 06:43:30 PM »
More weapons and money isn't going to change a thing.

Yes it will.

Weapons given to Ukraine delay Russia movement towards a direct conflict with the US. This is important because Russia would lose head to head therefore nukes are on the table…. So the west needs to continue arming The Ukraine.

More money creating inflation which adds more power to the destruction of the global supply chain resulting in China being starved out and unable to go into direct conflict with the US.

This is economic war and this is what it looks like. It seems insane but it’s better than you having a nuke dropped on your head. We need to take some pain ourselves, I’m ok with that.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #2028 on: June 11, 2022, 07:19:39 PM »

Russia is not Iraq. If they were USA would have attacked Moscow a long time ago!

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #2029 on: June 11, 2022, 07:22:52 PM »
But they'd be dead.
https://nypost.com/2017/06/29/russia-has-enormous-underground-bunkers-ready-for-nuclear-war/

https://www.prepperfortress.com/russia-has-constructed-massive-underground-shelters-in-anticipation-of-nuclear-war-2/

Russia Has Constructed Massive Underground Shelters In Anticipation Of Nuclear War

Did you know that the Russians have a massive underground complex in the Ural mountains that has been estimated to be approximately 400 square miles in size?  In other words, it is roughly as big as the area inside the Washington D.C. beltway.  Back in the 1990s, the Clinton administration was deeply concerned about the construction of this enormous complex deep inside Yamantau mountain, but they could never seem to get any straight answers from the Russians.  The command center for this complex is rumored to be 3,000 feet directly straight down from the summit of this giant rock quartz mountain.  And of course U.S. military officials will admit that there are dozens of other similar sites throughout Russia, although most of them are thought to be quite a bit smaller.  But that is not all that the Russians have been up to.  For example, Russian television has reported that 5,000 new emergency nuclear bomb shelters were scheduled to have been completed in the city of Moscow alone by the end of 2012.  Most Americans don’t realize this, but the Russians have never stopped making preparations for nuclear war.  Meanwhile, the U.S. government has essentially done nothing to prepare our citizens for an attack.  The assumption seems to be that a nuclear attack will probably never happen, and that if it does it will probably mean the end of our civilization anyway.

Needless to say, the Russians are very secretive about their massive underground facility at Yamantau mountain, and no American has ever been inside.  The following is what Wikipedia has to say about it…

Large excavation projects have been observed by U.S. satellite imagery as recently as the late 1990s, during the time of Boris Yeltsin’s government after the fall of the Soviet Union. Two garrisons, Beloretsk-15 and Beloretsk-16, were built on top of the facility, and possibly a third, Alkino-2, as well, and became the closed town of Mezhgorye in 1995. They are said to house 30,000 workers each. Repeated U.S. questions have yielded several different responses from the Russian government regarding Mount Yamantaw. They have said it is a mining site, a repository for Russian treasures, a food storage area, and a bunker for leaders in case of nuclear war. Responding to questions regarding Yamantaw in 1996, Russia’s Defense Ministry stated: “The practice does not exist in the Defense Ministry of Russia of informing foreign mass media about facilities, whatever they are, that are under construction in the interests of strengthening the security of Russia.” Large rail lines serve the facility.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #2030 on: June 11, 2022, 08:31:04 PM »

As predicted, all foreign Azov batallion Nazis who capitulated to Russian fighters in Mariupol will face the firing squat !.

The supreme court of the Donetsk Peoples Republic, issued the dead sentance to :

- Shawn Pinner , British & ex Isis member

- Aiden Aisilin , British

- Sauudun Brahim , Morrocan


Where is OAK & Sean Penn to save them (in Rambo style)   ;D




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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #2031 on: June 12, 2022, 01:36:24 AM »
Exactly right.

Completely wrong. Mayday nailed it.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #2032 on: June 12, 2022, 02:01:47 AM »
Yes it will.

Weapons given to Ukraine delay Russia movement towards a direct conflict with the US. This is important because Russia would lose head to head therefore nukes are on the table…. So the west needs to continue arming The Ukraine.

More money creating inflation which adds more power to the destruction of the global supply chain resulting in China being starved out and unable to go into direct conflict with the US.

This is economic war and this is what it looks like. It seems insane but it’s better than you having a nuke dropped on your head. We need to take some pain ourselves, I’m ok with that.
No, it causes direct conflict with the Russians. If Russia quickly defeats Ukraine, the war is over, Ukraine goes back to Russia, and the world moves on. By arming Ukrainians, more die (on both sides), and the threat of nuclear war escalates although I don't think there will be one.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #2033 on: June 12, 2022, 03:59:15 AM »
No, it causes direct conflict with the Russians. If Russia quickly defeats Ukraine, the war is over, Ukraine goes back to Russia, and the world moves on. By arming Ukrainians, more die (on both sides), and the threat of nuclear war escalates although I don't think there will be one.
Yep I agree. A dangerous game the so called "leaders" of the west are playing. They are risking unrest and a potential uprising at their home countries as economic conditions deteriorate. Or is this all by design to collapse all the governments in an attempt to usher in a New One World Government? I mean Biden is clearly a puppet and often does not know if he is coming or going. And each move by this illegitimate regime seems to be dumber than the one before it. But are they really that dumb? Or is it just an intentional scuttling of the west that's going on?

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #2034 on: June 12, 2022, 04:09:15 AM »
I mean Biden is clearly a puppet and often does not know if he is coming or going. And each move by this illegitimate regime seems to be dumber than the one before it. But are they really that dumb? Or is it just an intentional scuttling of the west that's going on?

His 50 years of uselessness, racism and retardation proves how dumb he really is.
There is also intentional destruction at play here for their own global/gluttony gain.

Libtardz need to be removed from office... Nothing good comes from libtardation..

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #2035 on: June 12, 2022, 04:12:16 AM »
His 50 years of uselessness, racism and retardation proves how dumb he really is.
There is also intentional destruction at play here for their own global/gluttony gain.

Libtardz need to be removed from office... Nothing good comes from libtardation..
Yes I agree.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #2036 on: June 12, 2022, 02:27:49 PM »
No, it causes direct conflict with the Russians. If Russia quickly defeats Ukraine, the war is over, Ukraine goes back to Russia, and the world moves on. By arming Ukrainians, more die (on both sides), and the threat of nuclear war escalates although I don't think there will be one.

Beyond short sighted. Appeasing dictators results in wider conflict.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #2037 on: June 12, 2022, 02:30:25 PM »
Beyond short sighted. Appeasing dictators results in wider conflict.
The USA has been a dictator since the end of the WW2.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #2038 on: June 12, 2022, 02:31:38 PM »
The US is a state, not a person.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #2039 on: June 12, 2022, 02:39:10 PM »
The US is a state, not a person.
So what. It acts as a singular entity. A dictator does not personally invade a country. Yet USA has invaded how many countries since the end of WW2? And how many leaders in the USA have been labeled dictators? Putin is a million times the leader of any of the western puppet leaders.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #2040 on: June 12, 2022, 02:50:07 PM »
So what. It acts as a singular entity. A dictator does not personally invade a country. Yet USA has invaded how many countries since the end of WW2? And how many leaders in the USA have been labeled dictators? Putin is a million times the leader of any of the western puppet leaders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_armed_conflicts_involving_the_United_States

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #2041 on: June 12, 2022, 03:06:09 PM »
Yes it will.

Weapons given to Ukraine delay Russia movement towards a direct conflict with the US. This is important because Russia would lose head to head therefore nukes are on the table…. So the west needs to continue arming The Ukraine.

More money creating inflation which adds more power to the destruction of the global supply chain resulting in China being starved out and unable to go into direct conflict with the US.

This is economic war and this is what it looks like. It seems insane but it’s better than you having a nuke dropped on your head. We need to take some pain ourselves, I’m ok with that.

Excellent points Mayday.

If the Russkies are not stopped now they only attempt to recapture more former Soviet states.

The window for Russian victory in Ukraine is short.  In a few months they will run out of weapons and supplies.  Game over.

Ukraine is a pawn in this struggle between NATO and Russia.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #2042 on: June 12, 2022, 05:03:16 PM »
3 Foreign Fighters in Ukraine’s Army Sentenced to Death in Russian-Held Territory

Two Britons and a Moroccan who had fought for the Ukrainian armed forces were sentenced to death Thursday by a court in Russia-occupied eastern Ukraine after being accused of being mercenaries, Russia’s Interfax news agency reported.

The death sentences were the latest ominous step in a trial that has alarmed human rights advocates and Western governments, raising questions about the protections afforded to thousands of foreign-born fighters serving in Ukraine, some of whom have been taken prisoner on the battlefield.

Britain’s foreign secretary, Liz Truss, wrote on Twitter that the court verdict was a “sham judgment with absolutely no legitimacy.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/09/world/europe/ukraine-army-death-sentence-russia.html

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #2043 on: June 12, 2022, 05:48:21 PM »
3 Foreign Fighters in Ukraine’s Army Sentenced to Death in Russian-Held Territory

Two Britons and a Moroccan who had fought for the Ukrainian armed forces were sentenced to death Thursday by a court in Russia-occupied eastern Ukraine after being accused of being mercenaries, Russia’s Interfax news agency reported.

The death sentences were the latest ominous step in a trial that has alarmed human rights advocates and Western governments, raising questions about the protections afforded to thousands of foreign-born fighters serving in Ukraine, some of whom have been taken prisoner on the battlefield.

Britain’s foreign secretary, Liz Truss, wrote on Twitter that the court verdict was a “sham judgment with absolutely no legitimacy.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/09/world/europe/ukraine-army-death-sentence-russia.html

NYT , knows shit !.

Around 8600 foreigners arrived , 1/3 without any military experience .

French Foreign Legion exposed 16 fake 'ex-legionaires' who pretended to be FFL snipers !.

@ Mariupol , over 200 foreign Azov battalion Nazis capitulated to Chechens/Russian fighters !.

Some Croatian prisoners , a paraded on TV Moscow !.

Russians AF , rocketed foreign training camps near Lavov & Harkiv (last Thursday) !.

Yesterday, another British gotta bullet !.

Geneva Convention 'rules' don't apply for the Dogs of War !.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #2044 on: June 12, 2022, 09:48:06 PM »
Zelensky aide: Ukraine losing up to 200 troops a day

A senior Ukrainian presidential aide has told the BBC that between 100 and 200 Ukrainian troops are being killed on the front line every day.

Mykhaylo Podolyak said Ukraine needed hundreds of Western artillery systems to level the playing field with Russia in the eastern Donbas region.

He also said Kyiv is not ready to resume peace talks with Moscow.

Ukrainian troops are under relentless bombardment as Russian forces attempt to take control of the whole of Donbas.

"The Russian forces have thrown pretty much everything non-nuclear at the front and that includes heavy artillery, multiple rocket launch systems and aviation," Mr Podolyak said.

He repeated Ukraine's appeal for more weapons from the West, saying that the "complete lack of parity" between the Russian and Ukrainian armies was the reason for Ukraine's heavy casualty rate.

"Our demands for artillery are not just some kind of whim... but an objective need when it comes to the situation on the battlefield," he said, adding that Ukraine needs 150 to 300 rocket launch systems to match Russia - a much higher number than it has received so far.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61742736


Ukraine’s high casualty rate could bring war to tipping point

Any way you count it, the figures are stark: Ukrainian casualties are running at a rate of somewhere between 6oo and 1,000 a day. One presidential adviser, Oleksiy Arestovych, told the Guardian this week it was 150 killed and 800 wounded daily; another, Mykhaylo Podolyak, told the BBC that 100 to 200 Ukrainian troops a day were being killed.

It represents an extraordinary loss of human life and capacity for the defenders, embroiled in a defence of the eastern city of Sievierodonetsk that this week turned into a losing battle. Yet the city was also arguably a place that Ukraine could have retreated from to the more defensible Lysychansk, across the Siverski Donets River, the sort of defensive situation that Ukraine has fared far better in.

The sheer number – more than 20,000 casualties a month – raises questions about what state Ukraine’s army will be in if the war drags on into the autumn. The same is true for the Russians too, of course. But the invaders already control large chunks of Ukraine, and they can pause the fighting with the territorial upper hand.

Consider the figures in context. Ukraine’s army was 125,000 strong, according to the International Institute for Strategic Studies, and there were 102,000 national and border guards in addition. Analysts’ crude estimates suggest that since the start of the war the total could have doubled to an impressive 500,000.

Kyiv’s forces are far from a point of collapse. But several months of high casualties will erode its fighting strength significantly, even allowing for some of the wounded to recover. Meanwhile, Ukraine’s forces are already being pushed back in a Donbas artillery bombardment so intense it is likely to have a shell-shock impact on many of those who survive it. Morale is certainly an issue for the Russians, but there are now reports of desertions from the Ukrainian side too.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/10/ukraine-casualty-rate-russia-war-tipping-point

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #2045 on: June 12, 2022, 10:28:34 PM »
Completely wrong. Mayday nailed it.

Ukraine will still be on the losing end.

Russia vs USA is not even an option.


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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #2046 on: June 12, 2022, 11:08:53 PM »
So what. It acts as a singular entity. A dictator does not personally invade a country. Yet USA has invaded how many countries since the end of WW2? And how many leaders in the USA have been labeled dictators? Putin is a million times the leader of any of the western puppet leaders.

Democracies provide checks on leaders that prevent dictatorships forming, and bringing the ensuing madness of absolute power.

How many leaders have been labelled dictators in the US? Well, given none have usurped their constitution terms (despite Trump's best effort): Zero.

And that is the point: Putin is an illegitimate leader of a mafia state, drunk on power, attempting to reform the USSR. Force is the only message he understands.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #2047 on: June 12, 2022, 11:11:20 PM »
Ukraine will still be on the losing end.

Russia vs USA is not even an option.

Time will tell. It's pretty clear Putin is gravely ill and Russia's artillery advantage will diminish over the coming months. Plenty of twists left in this saga.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #2048 on: June 12, 2022, 11:15:10 PM »
Time will tell. It's pretty clear Putin is gravely ill and Russia's artillery advantage will diminish over the coming months. Plenty of twists left in this saga.
Source for that? What's clear to be is that Biden's dementia is a grave danger to USA. How many in the news are talking about Biden's dementia?

Don't believe the fake news Automation.  ;D

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #2049 on: June 13, 2022, 12:48:31 AM »
This is how economic wars are won.

Parts of Australia were just advised to expect rolling blackouts.

They have said don’t run air conditioning in all rooms,don’t run pool pumps, turn off laptops, turn off TVs when not in use.

They’ll get energy consumption and consumer consumption right down and starve out Russia and China. Reallocation of income to food and energy away from consumer products and travel.

After we finish this deflationary wave the next inflationary wave will rip your face off. Russia and China will be crushed!