Ukrainian troops holed up in Mariupol begin surrendering

[obsidian]

i never believed that ukraine was winning, despite what the msm tells us

but why are they telling us ukraine is winning?  what is the point in lying about that? 

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They want to rally the west around supporting Ukraine by trying to make it look like Ukraine is winning. And they probably hope people in Russia would lose hope and maybe start a rebellion against Putin. I am sure some people in Russia use VPN and can access western media if it is censored in Russia.

This "war" in Ukraine is part physical and part psychological. The west is trying to use it's well-oiled propaganda machine which has been used effectively against their own populations so many times to sway the world to support Ukraine and demonize Russia. Obviously it's not working on Getbiggers! 

[Earl1972]

so they can continue laundering money from the taxpayer and also from voluntary contributions

but wouldn't they get more money if they got the impression ukraine is helpless against the big bad russians?

if they're winning now why do they need more help?

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[slow and steady]

LOL  stfu with all you facist and nazi BS.

No-one with a functioning brain buys any of that J-ish BS anymore.

- 265 Azov Nazis capitulated to Russian forces ,61 wounded some without arms/legs

- 3 months ago Azov Nazi Battalion numbered 4000 fascist & today only 265 , Russian & Chechens shoot well , don't they 

- On Sunday morning , Russians 'sprayed' Azovstal steel work with a casetic ammo (very nice to watch  ) & at 3pm , 3 stars American general,
  British admiral & dozen other NATO officers capitulated to Russian soldiers !.
  They gonna talk  !.

- Croatian & British Nazis a already talking on TV Moscow !.

- The BEST news : convoy of RUSSIAN TERMINATORS - 3BMT (don't mix them with 2BMT models) FINALLY arrived in Severnodonjetsk ,Donbas region.
   Amazing machines those TERMINATORS - 3BMT , they gonna slice anything in the front of them 

  Go to YouTube & look for them !.

- Top Secret: American EVAC Platoon (3 choppers) is in Latvia to save Zelenskys ass when is needed , ask CNN to confirm this 

- Hey why is Ukrainian army blowing up railway bridges if they are "winning" 

[Super Natural]

'Leaked' Communications between UKR troops and NATO command

[Teutonic Knight]

Ukrainian shock, Kalina deputy commander of the Azov Nazi battalion surrender to Donetsk fighters !.

So far 1730 Ukrainians come out of Azovstal tunnels ...............