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[OAK]

As I’ve said, there are over 20k gun control laws on the books, which one would have stopped this? You skated this when I asked the first time

First of all I'm Canadian so I'm not an expert on US gun control laws, so there is no point in us debating specific gun laws.

However, I do know that most guns that are used in mass shootings are purchased LEGALLY. That needs to change.

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Yes we'll agree to disagree about the "right" to own an assault weapon.

Here' my question for you.

So far this year there's been over 200 mass shootings in the US. If stricter gun control isn't the solution, what is?

What’s an “assault weapon” besides a made up term by the left to use as scare tactics? Define “assault weapon”

The other day in my town there was a smash and grab. The weapon used was a hammer. That’s an “assault weapon”

[Coach is Back!]

First of all I'm Canadian so I'm not an expert on US gun control laws, so there is no point in us debating specific gun laws.

However, I do know that most guns that are used in mass shootings are purchased LEGALLY. That needs to change.

Here’s a little fact for ya. In all instances of school shootings the shooters were under 21 with mental health problems and the authorities knew about it. I will, in those instances place blame on the authorities for not placing those shooters on a no sell list…BUT, what with that being said, in all instances the shootings were premeditated and again, that being said, there would have been NOTHING to stop any of these shooters from carrying out the planned shootings. Chicago has the strictest “gun control” policies in the country yet there are literally MASS shootings committed with ILLEGAL firearms there every week. Same thing with every major Dem ran city in this country

[OAK]

Here’s a little fact for ya. In all instances of school shootings the shooters were under 21 with mental health problems and the authorities knew about it. I will, in those instances place blame on the authorities for not placing those shooters on a no sell list…BUT, what with that being said, in all instances the shootings were premeditated and again, that being said, there would have been NOTHING to stop any of these shooters from carrying out the planned shootings. Chicago has the strictest “gun control” policies in the country yet there are literally MASS shootings committed with ILLEGAL firearms there every week. Same thing with every major Dem ran city in this country

Here is a summary of Canada’s gun laws. How do yours compare?

[Coach is Back!]

Here is a summary of Canada’s gun laws. How do yours compare?

We have a second amendment and Bill of Rights. The reason why what happened in Canada and Australia and other totalitarian and communist countries doesn’t happen here is because of our second amendment

[Coach is Back!]

Here is a summary of Canada’s gun laws. How do yours compare?

We have that here (mostly) and once again, your entire country has a population of 38 million while we have 330 million

[OAK]

We have that here (mostly) and once again, your entire country has a population of 38 million while we have 330 million

It takes about 6 months to buy a handgun in Canada and you can’t buy an “assault weapon”.

You have to register a shotgun and rifle. (Federal offense not to).

Is it the same in the US? I find that hard to believe.

[Coach is Back!]

It takes about 6 months to buy a handgun in Canada and you can’t buy an “assault weapon”.

You have to register a shotgun and rifle. (Federal offense not to).

Is it the same in the US? I find that hard to believe.

1. Let’s get one thing clear. There is no such thing as an “assault weapon” as I’ve stated before in the smash and grab analogy. If I protect myself with a fucking frying pan, that could technically be called an “assault weapon”.

2. It takes 6 months because they know reasonable people won’t wait that long because it’s a fucking stupid law. Ours is state by state. In California the wait time is ten days. I all states there are local and federal background checks that use fingerprints. California it’s a “live scan”

3. In California, there is a mandatory 8hr in person course for those wanting to conceal carry. California has no reciprocity, meaning those people in other states that are legal to carry, can’t in California. It’s another leftist fucked up law

[OAK]

1. Let’s get one thing clear. There is no such thing as an “assault weapon” as I’ve stated before in the smash and grab analogy. If I protect myself with a fucking frying pan, that could technically be called an “assault weapon”.

2. It takes 6 months because they know reasonable people won’t wait that long because it’s a fucking stupid law. Ours is state by state. In California the wait time is ten days. I all states there are local and federal background checks that use fingerprints. California it’s a “live scan”

3. In California, there is a mandatory 8hr in person course for those wanting to conceal carry. California has no reciprocity, meaning those people in other states that are legal to carry, can’t in California. It’s another leftist fucked up law

If “assault weapon” isn’t a thing what’s the correct term?

These weapons are not permitted in Canada but they are in the US.

What are the rules in Texas?


Our laws are definitely stricter than yours.

[Coach is Back!]

If “assault weapon” isn’t a thing what’s the correct term?

These weapons are not permitted in Canada but they are in the US.

What are the rules in Texas?


Our laws are definitely stricter than yours.

1. Firearm

2. That’s a Canada problem. If you’re referring to the AR 15, it’s not only the most popular firearm in the US but also the #1 home defense weapon

3. Which is why your government did what it did during fake lockdowns and which it will never happen here. We have a constitution and a bill of rights. Your government is taking away your RIGHTS to defend you and your family even in your own home

[OAK]

1. Firearm

2. That’s a Canada problem. If you’re referring to the AR 15, it’s not only the most popular firearm in the US but also the #1 home defense weapon

3. Which is why your government did what it did during fake lockdowns and which it will never happen here. We have a constitution and a bill of rights. Your government is taking away your RIGHTS to defend you and your family even in your own home

You guys need “home defense weapons” because AR 15s are legal.

Classic vicious cycle.

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[Matt]

You guys need “home defense weapons” because AR 15s are legal.

Classic vicious cycle.

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You don't seem to understand the point of the second amendment.

Guns are a check on the totalitarian power of the state. Guns protect against an intrusive GOVERNMENT. Not so much "intruders" of the B&E variety.

Although they help with both - but the reason why the it's the SECOND amendment, and not the 17th, is because of the importance of having a government BY the people, FOR the people. It's to prevent government overreach.

Politicians may not respond to public opinion surveys if they disagree with them, but they sure as hell will respond to psychos I bell towers.

Why don't you understand the second amendment, OAK?

Do you want us all to be locked up in camps over Covid, like what happened in Australia?

[Coach is Back!]

You guys need “home defense weapons” because AR 15s are legal.

Classic vicious cycle.

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My personal home protection isn’t an AR but for many it is. You only know about AR 15’s is through the MSM. Shotguns are next as far as home protection and far more devastating in an home invasion situation…..but they won’t tell you that

[Matt]

My personal home protection isn’t an AR but for many it is. You only know about AR 15’s is through the MSM. Shotguns are next as far as home protection and far more devastating in an home invasion situation…..but they won’t tell you that

In Canada, the Liberal government is grabbing yet more guns this year, while simultaneously importing more people from the developing world, and watching Canada's gun crime skyrocket.

It has nothing to do with "commonsense gun laws" - once they grab one series of guns, they will just push to grab more and more.

Gun grabbing never ends with libs, and it has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with trying to get to the point where only the government have guns.

[Moontrane]

If “assault weapon” isn’t a thing what’s the correct term?

These weapons are not permitted in Canada but they are in the US.

What are the rules in Texas?

Our laws are definitely stricter than yours.

Friend, the term “assault weapon” has been in use for over 30 years.  It describes a semi-automatic rifle that looks cool to some, scary to others.

The term “assault rifle” describes the weapons of war that our military uses, like the M-16 and M-4.

This Ruger Mini 14 functions identically to the AR15 - same ammunition, same magazines, and can be altered/modified as an AR15 can.  But it's not classified as an "assault weapon.  It's not scary-looking.

[Gym-Rat]

may as well be defenseless in life, say the braindead libturdz...
They love their violent criminals.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yes we'll agree to disagree about the "right" to own an assault weapon.

Here' my question for you.

So far this year there's been over 200 mass shootings in the US. If stricter gun control isn't the solution, what is?

I don't believe that stat first of all and second of all there is NO ' solution ' unless you know a way of preventing lunatics in advance? I know the solution isn't to blame and punish people who had absolutely nothing to do with any misuse of their firearms.


And this is why we can't have a reasonable discussion on the subject because you're ignorant on the subject you're trying to talk about. You CANNOT have an opinion on a subject you're clueless on. One of these rifles is legally an " Assault weapon " and the other is legally NOT can you tell the difference? One of these rifles is in a " ban-compliant " configuration and technically NOT an " Assault weapon " this is what the genius politicians decided to " ban " in 1994. Calls for another nation-wide ban will get you this. A nation-wide ban wouldn't effect me in the least because the state I live in still has one. A little clue for you......These were NEVER banned just features of these. Both have the same rate of fire and can be just as deadly in the wrong hands.


People who are calling for a " ban " have NO fucking clue on what their asking for.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Oak logic

[OAK]

I don't believe that stat first of all and second of all there is NO ' solution ' unless you know a way of preventing lunatics in advance? I know the solution isn't to blame and punish people who had absolutely nothing to do with any misuse of their firearms.


And this is why we can't have a reasonable discussion on the subject because you're ignorant on the subject you're trying to talk about. You CANNOT have an opinion on a subject you're clueless on. One of these rifles is legally an " Assault weapon " and the other is legally NOT can you tell the difference? One of these rifles is in a " ban-compliant " configuration and technically NOT an " Assault weapon " this is what the genius politicians decided to " ban " in 1994. Calls for another nation-wide ban will get you this. A nation-wide ban wouldn't effect me in the least because the state I live in still has one. A little clue for you......These were NEVER banned just features of these. Both have the same rate of fire and can be just as deadly in the wrong hands.


People who are calling for a " ban " have NO fucking clue on what their asking for.

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Mass shootings happen every weekend in Chicago , where is the national outrage? and Which one if these is a " Assault weapon " and which is not ?

[OAK]

Mass shootings happen every weekend in Chicago , where is the national outrage? and Which one if these is a " Assault weapon " and which is not ?

I have NO idea. I'm not an expert on guns.

Question: Chicago is the same size as Toronto yet it has 10 times more murders. Why is this?

 

[OAK]

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a mass shooting is 5 people including the shooter

You are aware most of them are gang related

[NarcissisticDeity]

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They're conflating gangs in Chicago killing each other with school shootings which perpetuates the myth that this is an everyday occurrence which it's not. Mass shootings are exceedingly rare , regardless of what the Mass Media tells you. The VAST majority of gun deaths are suicides ( 2/3rds ) and are used with handguns. According to the FBI more people will die by hands & feet than ALL rifles combined and the AR15 is a subset of rifles. And there was a " ban " on " Assault weapons in the United States from 1994-2004 and when all was said and done it had zero impact on gun deaths because they're rarely used anyway. They know what the problem is , it's handguns , but ban the rifles and when the data shows nothing changed then we move on to handguns , it's by design. And here's the fucking kicker , they NEVER banned AR15s a group of ignorant , moronic , asshole politicians all got together and decided this is what constitutes an " assault weapon " they couldn't have a bayonet lug to mount a bayonet I shit you not , because there has been a rash of people impaling people with bayonets , the rile couldn't have a flash hider , it had to have a muzzle brake instead , so you can see the flash from a barrel  and it couldn't have a retractable stock so you can conceal a 30" rife  Manufactures made the necessary changes  continued to pump out rifles. EXACT same round EXACT same rate of fire. Oh and you couldn't have any more 30 round magazines Oh wait yes you could as long as they were made before Sept 1994 and there are 10s of millions of these in circulation and you could still legally buy an AR15 during the ban as long as it was made before Sept 1994. It was all a fucking scam

I have NO idea. I'm not an expert on guns.

Question: Chicago is the same size as Toronto yet it has 10 times more murders. Why is this?

I know you have no idea , that was a rhetorical question. I'm no expert either however on the subject I'm knowledgeable & informed. If you're going to have an opinion on the subject at least know what you're talking about. And it's gangs in Chicago's North side raising hell.

[OAK]

They're conflating gangs in Chicago killing each other with school shootings which perpetuates the myth that this is an everyday occurrence which it's not. Mass shootings are exceedingly rare , regardless of what the Mass Media tells you. The VAST majority of gun deaths are suicides ( 2/3rds ) and are used with handguns. According to the FBI more people will die by hands & feet than ALL rifles combined and the AR15 is a subset of rifles. And there was a " ban " on " Assault weapons in the United States from 1994-2004 and when all was said and done it had zero impact on gun deaths because they're rarely used anyway. They know what the problem is , it's handguns , but ban the rifles and when the data shows nothing changed then we move on to handguns , it's by design. And here's the fucking kicker , they NEVER banned AR15s a group of ignorant , moronic , asshole politicians all got together and decided this is what constitutes an " assault weapon " they couldn't have a bayonet lug to mount a bayonet I shit you not , because there has been a rash of people impaling people with bayonets , the rile couldn't have a flash hider , it had to have a muzzle brake instead , so you can see the flash from a barrel  and it couldn't have a retractable stock so you can conceal a 30" rife  Manufactures made the necessary changes  continued to pump out rifles. EXACT same round EXACT same rate of fire. Oh and you couldn't have any more 30 round magazines Oh wait yes you could as long as they were made before Sept 1994 and there are 10s of millions of these in circulation and you could still legally buy an AR15 during the ban as long as it was made before Sept 1994. It was all a fucking scam




I know you have no idea , that was a rhetorical question. I'm no expert either however on the subject I'm knowledgeable & informed. If you're going to have an opinion on the subject at least know what you're talking about. And it's gangs in Chicago's North side raising hell.

There are gangs in Toronto too. Yet there is a marked difference in homicides between these two cities.(over 1000%).

While multiple factors are at play this does provide EVIDENCE for stricter gun control.

Your second point is an “argument of authority”. It’s a fallacy.

I’ve debated dozens of forum members about COVID and the COVID vaccine who have ZERO post secondary medical training. Are they AUTOMATICALLY wrong?